Give to Azir Kogmaw's late game power

Treune81··2 votes·1,010 views

Kogmaw's damage is better in all stages of the game.Cassiopeia is another example.Why I should play Azir? His late game damage (ap ratios) must be much higher if Azir is hypercarry,He is hypercarry according to Riot.They explained so they nerfed Azir's early and mid game.excuses.Azir's damage, ap ratios are very low according to a hypercarry champion.I'm waiting range, perma-slow excuses.LCS stats excuse maybe.Let's talk facts without excuses.

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Bootleg Gay4 votes

Unlike both Cassiopeia and Kog'Maw, Azir has mobility. And while Cassiopeia has a strong stun, it's conditional.

Azir has an ultimate that displaces everything in a path. His safety and ability to go in are super strong, and his damage is nothing to ignore when he uses more than one soldier at a time. He doesn't need high ratios when he has higher attack speed, since he'll be applying that damage more often because of it.

Astôlfo7 votes

Except unlike Azir, Kog'Maw is actually good.

Bootleg Gay4 votes

Kog'Maw can be picked off, with no defensive tools. Azir has a dash that can change direction and a big knockback. If you use the utility right, and not just look at the damage, Azir is possibly the strongest champion in the game.

If you've been playing Azir with little success, try some new things. New builds, new strategies, new ability rank order.

He is strong, trust me, in his own way.

Tonyob201 votes

Sounds zen. Azir is just an evil mechanic monster. If you can't handle it, don't complain. :D

Astôlfo5 votes

Uh yeah? Azir is versatile. He's also been neutered into trash by repeated nerfs based off LCS level play. Thus, he's trash in non-LCS and even in LCS he's starting to drop in popularity.

Kog'Maw's DPS is far higher and with Runaan's and knowledge of how to use his attack-move, he can obliterate people before they get anywhere near. Any assassins or such would be nearly instantly shut down by CC from his team.

He's nowhere near the strongest:

Bootleg Gay1 votes

His late game is the exact same, but his early and mid were nerfed repeatedly.

Astôlfo3 votes

Yes, his weak late game didn't get any more nerfs thankfully.

Treune812 votes

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His late game is the exact same, but his early and mid were nerfed repeatedly.

So they must buff his late game.

Treune811 votes

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Unlike both Cassiopeia and Kog'Maw, Azir has mobility. And while Cassiopeia has a strong stun, it's conditional.

Azir has an ultimate that displaces everything in a path. His safety and ability to go in are super strong, and his damage is nothing to ignore when he uses more than one soldier at a time. He doesn't need high ratios when he has higher attack speed, since he'll be applying that damage more often because of it.

Other excuse is mobility meanwhile Kogmaw's ult range?

Mobility doesn't mean hypercarry.Damage and AS=Hypercarry

astralwit2 votes

Kog's not a mid lane hypercarry anymore...

Treune811 votes

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Kog's not a mid lane hypercarry anymore...

As a result Kog is a hypercarry.Cass is a hypercarry but Azir's damage is low according to a hypercarry.

redfeenix2 votes

He already has Kog's lategame power though ........

Treune812 votes

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He already has Kog's lategame power though ........

No.Because Kogmaw's AS and damage are higher than Azir's AS and damage.

OyddAWqJ5r2 votes

salty crydownvoter

Treune811 votes

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salty crydownvoter

Salty Azir hater detected.Go crazy.

OyddAWqJ5r2 votes

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Treune811 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sleeper Cell,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0vNEANn7,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2016-08-16T15:27:50.116+0000)

You is talk like english are you're 5th language saltycry downvoter. Learned english.

Salt is real.Go crazy!

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

i aren't the salty immoshinal purse son here like you :^)

Treune811 votes

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i aren't the salty immoshinal purse son here like you :^)

Salt is real.More crying.

SwiftKitten882 votes

azir is already WAY stronger lategame than kog.

litterally my LAST game was vs a kogmaw that had 18 kills,he was item away from 1 build

but guess.. what.. his is squishy.. and he is COMPLETELY immobile.

Treune811 votes

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azir is already WAY stronger lategame than kog.

litterally my LAST game was vs a kogmaw that had 18 kills,he was item away from 1 build

but guess.. what.. his is squishy.. and he is COMPLETELY immobile.

No.Kogmaw's early, (maybe equal) mid (especially mid game after last Azir nerf) and late game are better than Azir.Azir's late game is weak against other hypercarries.

''litterally my LAST game was vs a kogmaw that had 18 kills,he was item away from 1 build''

I said Adc Kogmaw.You're saying APC mid Kogmaw? No no.

Azir needs Kogmaw's late game power.Hereby his overall win rate and mains win rate can increase.

SwiftKitten882 votes

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No.Kogmaw's early, (maybe equal) mid (especially mid game after last Azir nerf) and late game are better than Azir.Azir's late game is weak against other hypercarries.

''litterally my LAST game was vs a kogmaw that had 18 kills,he was item away from 1 build''

I said Adc Kogmaw.You're saying APC mid Kogmaw? No no.

Azir needs Kogmaw's late game power.Hereby his overall win rate and mains win rate can increase.

umm i said absolutely nothing about what lane kogmaw was in... he wasnt AP.. in fact he was jungle.

my point was KogMaw has a HUGE WEAKNESS in the fact that he is immobile, he has no form of hard cc

and idk wtf your saying anyways.. Azir lategame is already WAY better than KogMaw late game

Treune811 votes

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umm i said absolutely nothing about what lane kogmaw was in... he wasnt AP.. in fact he was jungle.

my point was KogMaw has a HUGE WEAKNESS in the fact that he is immobile, he has no form of hard cc

and idk wtf your saying anyways.. Azir lategame is already WAY better than KogMaw late game

Your words for zone control so your words don't include late game power.

Treune811 votes

If Azir is hypercarry, his late game damage isn't enough.If Riot wants balanced (fine, rewarding and hypercarry) Azir, they must buff his late game (after lv 11)

Veraska1 votes

Other hypercarry's don't get the mobility and AOE knock back that azir has, he should be weaker to compensate for the safety

Treune811 votes

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Other hypercarry's don't get the mobility and AOE knock back that azir has, he should be weaker to compensate for the safety

Other hypercarry's have more ap, as and kiting.Azir needs late game damage.

Veraska1 votes

They might have more damage but not more kiting, kog'maw literally has to stand still to optimize hypercarry DPS, cassiopeia less so but doesn't have the mobility of azir

Azir needs to lose his W or self peel if we're going to five him more damage

If azir has equal strengths to all the other hypercarry's but also has strengths that others don't, that'd just make azir above and beyond the best hypercarry

Treune811 votes

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They might have more damage but not more kiting, kog'maw literally has to stand still to optimize hypercarry DPS, cassiopeia less so but doesn't have the mobility of azir

Azir needs to lose his W or self peel if we're going to five him more damage

If azir has equal strengths to all the other hypercarry's but also has strengths that others don't, that'd just make azir above and beyond the best hypercarry

Kog maw has more kiting, more as more damage.Cassio has more ap, more damage, more kiting. (big movement speed). Tristana has more damage, more as, more kiting.

Maximum Morde1 votes

No.

Treune811 votes

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No.

No.

DemiMax1 votes

Azir is already a really strong late game champion, with mobility safety and a powerfull ultimate alongside the ability to creat a temporary tower.

Treune811 votes

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Azir is already a really strong late game champion, with mobility safety and a powerfull ultimate alongside the ability to creat a temporary tower.

Azir's late game isn't monster so he needs more late game power.But Kogmaw's? Cassio? Tristana's?

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