Hey rito, constantly nerfing the numbers of a champion in hopes of them not being picked at worlds..

thacrazytaco·Sep 7, 2016·32 votes·1,938 views

In my opinion, doesn't work all the time, Spoiler alert: is probably still gonna show up because her kit is god like in competitive, she'd still be picked if she did negative damage. And you reworked Yorick just in time to bury one champion and swung a strong right hook at another just so they wont show up as often in worlds, and probably needs a rework because his kit, in my humble opinion, is overloaded to all hell for no reason, and you should Switch his primary role to "fighter" instead of assassin. Normally rito balances around pro play because it's simpler and more effective, and i'm fine with it, but it seems for worlds they throw it out the window just a bit in favor of "let's get them view$$$$$"

47 Comments

DukuesSep 7, 201618 votes

that 4 ad nerf though...... obviously Ekko will never be played again because of that nerf..... /s

MunchCrunchLunchSep 8, 20162 votes

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that 4 ad nerf though...... obviously will never be played again because of that nerf..... /s

actually. for base damage. thats a big fucking nerf. they usually compenstae by giving higher scaling per level.

but i do think he will still be picked in competetive. not as much tho. same with gnar.

the problem is that. they need to be making champs that aren't being picked. at least. pickable. in some way. especially. especially. top laners. and jungler. without making them op in lower levels. which is the hard part.

cope momentSep 8, 20161 votes

irrelevant comment, but why are there so many periods scattered throughout this?

MunchCrunchLunchSep 8, 20161 votes

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cope momentSep 8, 20162 votes

I'm simply being curious here, why do you feel the need to insult me?

WoonStruckSep 8, 20162 votes

He'll lose 12 damage off of TF procs. OH NO.

Its too bad the real reason TF on Ekko is even strong is the 40% attackspeed with his passive and Fervor.

Notice how, despite all of the problems its caused, they still haven't gutted Fervor yet.

MunchCrunchLunchSep 8, 20163 votes

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He'll lose 12 damage off of TF procs. OH NO.

Its too bad the real reason TF on Ekko is even strong is the 40% attackspeed with his passive and Fervor.

Notice how, despite all of the problems its caused, they still haven't gutted Fervor yet.

because ad carries use it.

they gut things that ad carries abuse and other champs use just fine.

meanwhile. not the other way around

WoonStruckSep 8, 20162 votes

Can't argue with that.

Still pissed that they're allowed to get away with the gimmicky pen build because of it. It essentially adds +30% damage in that case. Often more.

JefftiffySep 8, 20167 votes

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that 4 ad nerf though...... obviously will never be played again because of that nerf..... /s

Hey they took it a step up from last years 3 AD nerf Vayne

MunchCrunchLunchSep 8, 20165 votes

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Hey they took it a step up from last years 3 AD nerf

*Lets take 3 add off her. and increase his W procs by 4%. lol.

WoonStruckSep 8, 20165 votes

Don't forget buffing her Q damage by a massive 40%(50->70 is a 40% increase.) and allowing it to crit.

DengedenSep 8, 20167 votes

Damage doesn't stack up or anything and base AD totally isn't useful for sheen procs.

DukuesSep 8, 20165 votes

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Damage doesn't stack up or anything and base AD totally isn't useful for sheen procs.

its funny that you got down voted because after I posted my comment I learned why the 4 ad nerf is actual a big deal (sheen proc etc.). So really this comment should have many up votes and mine should have been down voted to shit. This is some good proof why Riot should be very careful in listening to the boards ha.

DengedenSep 8, 20162 votes

I appreciate the sentiment even if I probably deserve the downvotes for my condescending attitude ^_^

WarmanreaperSep 7, 20164 votes

Shen's nerf was kinda needed.. He has a broken taunt.. A broken invincibility against AA ability, A broken ultimate, He's a defensive champ with offensive power , you should be able to see why that's a problem

thacrazytacoSep 7, 201616 votes

broken ultimate, broken taunt, broken invincibility, all will remain broken because his Q and passive were nerfed LUL

WarmanreaperSep 7, 20163 votes

You're looking at it separately, Think of it as a tower each ability is a support to the tower.. the more supports you take off / weaken , also weakens the tower.

So by this logic , the passive makes him a bit less tanky and his Q makes him do less damage for a defensive char that was able to 1v1 the most OP lane bullys in top lane because of these types of things, it might not look like they helped but either of these nerfs could determine worlds lol. Shen could get a penta in worlds.. i've seen it happen

Kledy McKledFaceSep 7, 20162 votes

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You're looking at it separately, Think of it as a tower each ability is a support to the tower.. the more supports you take off / weaken , also weakens the tower.

So by this logic , the passive makes him a bit less tanky and his Q makes him do less damage for a defensive char that was able to 1v1 the most OP lane bullys in top lane because of these types of things, it might not look like they helped but either of these nerfs could determine worlds lol. Shen could get a penta in worlds.. i've seen it happen

Just remove kits. Remove ekko speed remove ekko ult healing remove shen sword slow half his w duration remove vlad w healing remove vlad r healing remove vlad slow

thats how you remove cancer from this game

ow ive forgot remove this stupid designed champ silence : Fiddlesticks

PB4UAMESep 8, 20161 votes

Vlad is already one of the weaker champion in the game except for in competitive play. Even then he's received quite a few nerfs. Honestly, he does less damage than he did before the rework, his R does a helluva lot less damage, as it had its base, its ap ratio, and its % damage increase nerfed, in exchange for a burst heal to make up for not having spell vamp itemization.

Fid also is far from needing any nerfs or kit changes.

AnidanSep 8, 20161 votes

I could see kit changes for the Scarecrow, just not nerfs.

And a lore change.

That dude needs help. He's the Harbinger of Doom but Doom is still busy in DotA2, eating creeps and Doom'ing enemy heroes to damnation.

Only Play DariusSep 8, 20166 votes

This is what Riot does, they nerf extraneous abilities and leave what is ~~problematic~~ special about the champion untouched because they don't want to ruin what makes that champion iconic, then eventually nerf what made the champion strong anyway. It's getting tiring watching them ruin champs by gutting base stats and slashing damage then actually removing what made them good and leaving a crippled champion to go for weeks unplayable.

DivewingSep 8, 20161 votes

Azir, Kassadin, Kalista, Sion, Sejua-....

NightmareAmazoXSep 8, 20161 votes

Malzahar too, They nerfed him like 7 times in a row until they realized his passive was the cause and root of all the problems, When they nerfed his passive, He became balanced.

statelesskillerSep 8, 20161 votes

if they didnt want to ruin something iconic about him they wouldnt have taken away his old Q. which if you asked me WAS iconic to him. it allows lane sustain and the ability to farm minions safetly. get cs under tower. and decent poke. hell his entire kit was basically iconic. the taunt the ult. the q. his shield was just kinda there though. and i rather liked his old passive

feels badman

GayFluffyUnicornSep 8, 20161 votes

Yup i always picked shen when i didn't know what to play. You could always pick him up, fit into every teamcomp. Good duelists and also a godlike farm/freeze champ. You had global threat with your ult but he also fell off pretty much and could be dumpstered in lane. Then the riot nation attacked >.> It was funny as hell chasing enemies throwing Q after Q to take the last 150 hp

Ulquiorra995Sep 8, 20162 votes

Only thing that is even remotely "broken" on him is his ultimate - and it's the worst kind of broken, LC$ broken. Meaning that as long as it exists, everytime a major esports event comes around and Shen gets picked he's gonna get the axe.

Meanwhile at Rito's department of terrible excuses no one smart ever buys "hurr durr we want Shen to build damage if he wants damage" proceeds to remove 4 AD to "balance" tank Ekko".

Only Play DariusSep 8, 20164 votes

I'm more bummed that Yorick got disabled for worlds

LichKing234Sep 8, 20163 votes

Yorick finally gets reworked Disabled from one of leagues biggest money making events item 3070

Only Play DariusSep 8, 20162 votes

I guess they don't want any more juggernaut shenanigans in worlds even though they made the games fun

GigaPubeSep 8, 20161 votes

na i think they're afraid of gamebreaking bugs. thats the last tournament on earth they'd want remakes to happen. bet they're glad they got the a. sol and yas ones

AnidanSep 8, 20163 votes

Seeing Darius and friends in every single game wasn't exactly fun.. especially given that most games he was in he was actually shit on despite his strength in pubs.

Only Play DariusSep 8, 20162 votes

That one penta kill made worlds though

PopppyseedSep 8, 20161 votes

I dont like pick/ban champions but Seeing Darius alot at last years world was great.

GayFluffyUnicornSep 8, 20161 votes

True just got to play him in ranked, plat 2 Good game, yorick feels really nice to play. Ofc my build might be shitty but i did well with it. And he doesn'T seem op at all tbh. If fiora would've known yorick better or played smarter she would've dumpstered me i guess. So from two games i got the feeling riot finally made another well balanced champ. Sure his Q dmg is a bit high and the maiden might deal a bit too much dmg i guess but overall not too broken.

NightmareAmazoXSep 8, 20161 votes

I like your name. XD

GayFluffyUnicornSep 9, 20161 votes

Oh stop it, you :3 If you are between 16-20, single and cute hmu :c

DengedenSep 8, 20161 votes

The reason Rek is so OP in competitive is because she outfarms everyone. Which is something that numbers do fix actually.

Shen and Taliyah were p/b in some regions, sorry. (And as someone who thinks Taliyah should be making plays with her ult, I'm all for nerfing her BS waveclear)

And Ekko's kit is entertaining without being oppressive so who cares about him?

Bigg FactsSep 8, 20164 votes

Ekko's kit is completely oppressive, and Shen had below a 50% winrate in NA and EU.

DengedenSep 8, 20161 votes

It's only oppressive in the sense that his kit makes him the perfect top laner.

Not in competitive, Shen didn't.

statelesskillerSep 8, 20165 votes

his kit is oppressive in that if he doesnt want you to get onto him you probably arent getting onto him without ALOT of effort. near constant slows. what amounts to 2 dashes on a ability. a fucking redo button if you DO get onto him that also then extends the chase. its such a fucking pain. now if he could just disengage for a century that would be okay. BUT HE CAN ALSO CHASE YOU DOWN TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH. i remember one ekko who kept up with me as a ulting ghosting fucking Singed that had a rylais. AND HE KEPT UP WITH ME. thats how you know a champion has problems

DengedenSep 8, 20161 votes

Really? And you changed directions while running away too? That's what Singed is good for after all.

Ekko dies to ganks quite often, hard CC isn't really ALOT of effort. Besides, you can always not chase after kills. And his damage isn't really that big a deal, which makes his stickiness pretty fair, if you ask me. Run to your tower after losing a trade.

Maximum MordeSep 8, 20161 votes

Or, it's her Tremor sense and map mobility combined with an easy knockup.

DengedenSep 8, 20161 votes

Those are easily replaced by sightstone/tracker's and a different kind of mobility. Her fast clear (aside from being part of her map mobility) on the other hand is something only the mighty Numerus can decide.

Maximum MordeSep 8, 20161 votes

To be fair it's a package deal. If they nerfed Tremor sense and mobility on her. She'd be replaced with another fast clear jungle like Nid. If they nerf her clear speed, she'll usually, but not always depending on how big of a nerf, replaced with a fast clear speed jungler.

DarkRitualSep 8, 20161 votes

When Ekko and Rek'Sai have hakf of their ult uses to get back onto the map from base, you might have an inherent kit issue.

Rek should get a different ult. Ekko should have a distance limit on his ult.

Sailor GalaxiaSep 8, 20161 votes

Lissandra

Why has she gotten 2 nerfs in a row after she was used like once in LCS lol...

chubs1224Sep 8, 20161 votes

I feel the solution to the overload of ekko is remove the slow on his passive. That would hurt his tank and triforce builds much more then his assassin build