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LB Can't duel ADCs past 25 minutes.

dakota saturn··4 votes·784 views

https://youtu.be/YcjNsjbSt-Q

LB Build : roa, sorc, morello, abyssal, needless rod 7/4/7 with 239 CS

She had zero MR. She also was autoing the clone. Let me reiterate that. ASHE WAS AUTOING THE WRONG TARGET FOR 2.5 SECONDS AND STILL KILLED LB. Pls tell me this champion isn't broken. Tell me how the FK to play this pile of trash at this point.

Ashe was just healing up through the whole thing - If you're nurturing the root, you're in range of ADC's AAs. The second an ADC picks up a vamp scepter, you're done. Oh, and you can't duel their APC either because they'll stun you and nuke you in .2 seconds.

As for what you're supposed to do in a match at this point? Got me! Oh, sorry, I mean YOU'RE NOT BEING DECEIIIVING ENOUGH GET GUD. Yeah.

And since her dmg is so delayed, it takes even longer to get below 40% to trigger Morello's, making it all but impossible to take out anyone with healing / lifesteal / soraka support/ sona support / heal summoner spell / potions / near honeyfruit / etc etc etc.

Keep downvoting people that say she's horrible. If a fed assassin, I mean super cool deceiver mage can't duel an ADC out of position, PLEASE TELL ME WHAT GOOD THEY ARE.

16 Comments

Geshultz2 votes

To be fair you both were the same level and you were 700 hp down. Well Ashe has bloodthirstier shield up. That and looks like ashe had 5% damage reduction from rift hearld as well. Lowering your overall burst.

dakota saturn1 votes

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To be fair you both were the same level and you were 700 hp down. Well Ashe has bloodthirstier shield up. That and looks like ashe had 5% damage reduction from rift hearld as well. Lowering your overall burst.

That's all well and good but if my dmg wasn't so delayed, Morello's would have triggered so she wouldn't be able to just straight tank through my dmg. So the delay makes it exponentially more difficult because lifesteal will have more time to keep champs healthy during LB's burst. God help LB if they have a Hexdrinker too.

For pre-rework, LB would have no problem doing her job right there. According to Riot, they want more counterplay and more interaction. My argument is that is fucking bullshit and she was just straight made impossible to play.

I just want to know what the fuck LeBlanc's job is now. Ashe completely misplayed that fight and still won. I did my job of 'deceiving' against a class where it's my JOB to control them, and she can't even do that.

Is LB only supposed to go in once someone else CC's a target? That is the biggest joke of a champion this game has ever seen.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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That's all well and good but if my dmg wasn't so delayed, Morello's would have triggered so she wouldn't be able to just straight tank through my dmg. So the delay makes it exponentially more difficult because lifesteal will have more time to keep champs healthy during LB's burst. God help LB if they have a Hexdrinker too.

For pre-rework, LB would have no problem doing her job right there. According to Riot, they want more counterplay and more interaction. My argument is that is fucking bullshit and she was just straight made impossible to play.

I just want to know what the fuck LeBlanc's job is now. Ashe completely misplayed that fight and still won. I did my job of 'deceiving' against a class where it's my JOB to control them, and she can't even do that.

Is LB only supposed to go in once someone else CC's a target? That is the biggest joke of a champion this game has ever seen.

I totally agree. The most logical usage of time for "Giving a window to react" must certainly NOT be standing with your feet planted on the ground, not moving a inch and auto-attacking the enemy. If riots definition for that word was this, it I say the rework is indeed a fail.

Geshultz1 votes

Yup that is what the preseason is for. To number tweak the reworks so they feel smoother and are balanced. Which is either increase in damage or decrease in delays. As they have done in the past to make things smoother/more balanced for both players.

dakota saturn1 votes

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Yup that is what the preseason is for. To number tweak the reworks so they feel smoother and are balanced.

It's not a numbers tweak at this point - they completely destroyed her identity. Even if they reduce the passive delay, how is she deceiving at all? How are any of her stupid clones even the least bit useful?

Fixing her is going to take another rework.

Geshultz1 votes

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It's not a numbers tweak at this point - they completely destroyed her identity. Even if they reduce the passive delay, how is she deceiving at all? How are any of her stupid clones even the least bit useful?

Fixing her is going to take another rework.

Actually they can easy program her clone to have HP and have functionality if needed. Or a lower cooldown et ceteria. For more usage of clone. Again tweaking/number tweaking all can occur during preseason. Its similiar to how they made Jinx's rockets amazingly clunky during the preseason update but fixed it over dozens of patches to make them less clunky. Likely if leblanc needs work on her kit they will fix it during the preseason. If it is not a major issue then they will eventually fix after 9 months which is how long it took riot to fix jin's clunkiness.

dakota saturn1 votes

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Actually they can easy program her clone to have HP and have functionality if needed. Or a lower cooldown et ceteria. For more usage of clone. Again tweaking/number tweaking all can occur during preseason.

A big thing LB lost with this update is juking potential. Since her clones are tied to her ult - it's going to be on CD when she needs it most - escaping. And the RR clone won't work at all if her regular R is on CD, even if RR is up.

Basically, the only time she actually -NEEDS- her deception abilities is when they're on CD - after she's done her burst and needs to get away.

Geshultz1 votes

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A big thing LB lost with this update is juking potential. Since her clones are tied to her ult - it's going to be on CD when she needs it most - escaping. And the RR clone won't work at all if her regular R is on CD, even if RR is up.

Basically, the only time she actually -NEEDS- her deception abilities is when they're on CD - after she's done her burst and needs to get away.

Yup, they can increase the tether range if its too short or increase her passives damage/reduce its delay. Many ways they can fix the kit if it needs fixing. Which we won't have data for at least a couple weeks if she needs massive changes or none at all.

dakota saturn1 votes

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Yup, they can increase the tether range if its too short or increase her passives damage/reduce its delay. Many ways they can fix the kit if it needs fixing. Which we won't have data for at least a couple weeks if she needs massive changes or none at all.

Why are you talking about tether range? It's the fact her clones come up during her combo, not when she's escaping or in trouble.

Geshultz1 votes

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Why are you talking about tether range? It's the fact her clones come up during her combo, not when she's escaping or in trouble.

Im pointing out things they can tweak. To make her kit better for user. My point is that they can do a decent quantity of things to make her kit currently how it is more smoother for the user/reliable for escaping. Similar to how bruisers use defensive items as a tool to survive. They can tweak the tools to be more reliable/less reliable for each assassins or grant other qualities within the kit that she had not before(Wave clear, cheaper mana costs in a trade off for less reliable burst)

Erockandroll1 votes

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Actually they can easy program her clone to have HP and have functionality if needed. Or a lower cooldown et ceteria. For more usage of clone. Again tweaking/number tweaking all can occur during preseason.

Her new kit is going to have a steep learning curve. Her win rate may increase in a weeks time. Numbers tweak or otherwise.

The video show a fairly low understanding of how her kit might have worked. What point was their to make your clone go strait for her, and then follow right behind that clone. If anything, you and the clone should be coming from different fronts. Besides, you did manage to get your full combo off, and it was almost enough, but ultimately you picked a fight with a Full health target with a BT overshield. And you could have recalled to your W starting position if things did get that sour, but you just stood their.

She may have lost some of the self reliance she once had, (makes sense since riot enjoys when teams highlight their teammates strengths.) Her deception can trick people into thinking she's ganking when she isn't. (Got loled into a gank by my opponent, I'm going to need to blow my flash.)

A Dizzy Lulu1 votes

sucks you werent veigar

coulda just qrd her

Limmie1 votes

Assassins are useless now pretty much. Akali for one definitely is.

hasakki1 votes

I have lb's combo's in my head and fingers and whenever i play lb now i fck every combo , I just stoped playing lb , fakof riot

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

I love how LB manages to delete 90% of Ashe's HP, and yet you're still blaming LB for being "UP".

Michael Sykes1 votes

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I love how LB manages to delete 90% of Ashe's HP, and yet you're still blaming LB for being "UP".

Yep. He could have played that better, like not wasting the ulti for the second dash which has a bad scaling compared to the re

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