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Nasus needs a buff. Seriously.

plzdonhakme··7 votes·4,502 views

Okay a lot of you will disagree. we've all faced that giant dog walking to you while you are crawling at the speed of a snail, and he smashes you with that cane.

Nasus has never been a popular pick in ranked, especially in higher elo. He was never meta or popular. Maybe a few games here and there in normals, maybe one game from ZionSpartan. Even then he didn't inspire many people... even in season 4 when towers werent as tanky and the laser beams weren't around. Back when he could solo towers.

But over the course of the recent patches, time and time again he has been indirectly nerfed.

What am i talking about? This list is not in a specific order.

  1. Tower Solos With the laser beams implemented, and towers defenses moving towards health instead of armor, but keeping the armor without nearby minions, he can no longer face tank and beat the towers down.

  2. Juggernauts. With this patch, these champions saw a huge rise in popularity. their late game is more dominant, and both Garen and Darius counters Nasus.

Season 6

  1. Jax Jax has always been a champion that was there to pick, feared in many elos. Now, Jax faces a few buffs. The first of them is guinsoo, bringing it back in the meta, I believe Huni being the first to do it in competitive in s6. Not sure. The second, is the change to his dodge. Nasus used to win this lane matchup because his q could go right through counterstrike. No longer. Now When he counterstrikes Jax can just freely hit Nasus for 3 seconds with absolutely no counterplay because he is faster than Nasus. Perhaps its time to denerf the very old passive nerf for nasus to let him have some edge over Jax. With jax being brought back into the meta, making him counter Nasus does not help.

  2. Fiora Now her obnoxious q allows her to keep away from Nasus while dealing % hp true damage. her ult can do 40+%hp true damage.

  3. Vayne One of the few adcs that can kite him, rose in popularity

  4. Illaoi new champions are played and illaoi can beat nasus without too much difficulty. Against someone with no hard cc or mobility, illaoi's ultimate can be devastating

Lane Matchups: He now gets countered by so many more champions that are so much more meta/popular. These patches either buffed the meta champions, or made champions popular, and throughout this process he now gets countered by them, as an already unpopular champion.

He loses to trundle, renekton, gnar, darius, illaoi, riven, garen, trundle, mundo, jax. These are all champions that are tremendously more popular than him. Before he could beat a trundle, a jax, sometimes riven. but his counters are more popular and the ones he counters are no longer a counter. I think a buff is in order for the former underdog, now the underpowered dog

62 Comments

Critmaster Garen4 votes

hes at just above 52% winrate with 6.5% play rate. he isnt doing amazing, but still pretty well at the moment. almost the same stats as garen.

http://champion.gg/champion/Nasus

funny that you mention jax. id actually consider nasus to be a counter to him. wither and just sitting in range of frozen heart hity jax pretty hard at any stage of the game.

nasus is usually my go to counter to on hit carries. (except yi).

alaskaneagle1 votes

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hes at just above 52% winrate with 6.5% play rate. he isnt doing amazing, but still pretty well at the moment. almost the same stats as garen.

http://champion.gg/champion/Nasus

funny that you mention jax. id actually consider nasus to be a counter to him. wither and just sitting in range of frozen heart hity jax pretty hard at any stage of the game.

nasus is usually my go to counter to on hit carries.

54367

Nasus mains play nasus. Every noob in the game plays garren. This fact above any other means the win % stat is Not a good measure of power. It's like rammus; rammus has always had a great win %, but you never see him because no one but a rammus main plays him AND they only play him in the perfect setup to win.

O and they buffed the dodge so it negates All of nasus's q dmg (they did that for a few champs, so the indirect nerf to nasus was pretty big. At least before if you messed up your timing, or Rito forced you to aa, it hurt him a bit but not now. Jax has a lot of time you can't hit him at all now which lasts about as long as wither on a similar cooldown. So I Amazing nasus can beat a good jax, but a Great jax can beat any nasus even an Amazing one.

Sir Yamazuki3 votes

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54367

Nasus mains play nasus. Every noob in the game plays garren. This fact above any other means the win % stat is Not a good measure of power. It's like rammus; rammus has always had a great win %, but you never see him because no one but a rammus main plays him AND they only play him in the perfect setup to win.

O and they buffed the dodge so it negates All of nasus's q dmg (they did that for a few champs, so the indirect nerf to nasus was pretty big. At least before if you messed up your timing, or Rito forced you to aa, it hurt him a bit but not now. Jax has a lot of time you can't hit him at all now which lasts about as long as wither on a similar cooldown. So I Amazing nasus can beat a good jax, but a Great jax can beat any nasus even an Amazing one.

Rammus is actually mainly played by people with 1~5 games played, 36.16%. His win rate is high because his win rate for that group starts slightly over 50%. Lower pick rate=/= being played by experienced players or picked in specific moments. This is one of the biggest lie that is constantly repeated.

alaskaneagle1 votes

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Rammus is actually mainly played by people with 1~5 games played, 36.16%. His win rate is high because his win rate for that group starts slightly over 50%. Lower pick rate=/= being played by experienced players or picked in specific moments. This is one of the biggest lie that is constantly repeated.

54367

Really? Where did you find this specific information? Cause if you don't pull out a reference right now we will all know you are full of sh it 100% of the time and nothing you ever say will be worth reading Ever.

Plus I'd like to know where I can find stats this specific because all the stats I have found are much more general.

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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54367

Really? Where did you find this specific information? Cause if you don't pull out a reference right now we will all know you are full of sh it 100% of the time and nothing you ever say will be worth reading Ever.

Plus I'd like to know where I can find stats this specific because all the stats I have found are much more general.

http://champion.gg/

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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54367

Nasus mains play nasus. Every noob in the game plays garren. This fact above any other means the win % stat is Not a good measure of power. It's like rammus; rammus has always had a great win %, but you never see him because no one but a rammus main plays him AND they only play him in the perfect setup to win.

O and they buffed the dodge so it negates All of nasus's q dmg (they did that for a few champs, so the indirect nerf to nasus was pretty big. At least before if you messed up your timing, or Rito forced you to aa, it hurt him a bit but not now. Jax has a lot of time you can't hit him at all now which lasts about as long as wither on a similar cooldown. So I Amazing nasus can beat a good jax, but a Great jax can beat any nasus even an Amazing one.

those stats are taken from games at plat and above.

every noob in the game can pick up nasus aswell. hes not mechanically more difficult than garen.

again. both champions have about the same play rate and winrate at the moment.

alaskaneagle1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YtKehT0,comment-id=000700000001,timestamp=2016-01-01T16:55:48.318+0000)

those stats are taken from games at plat and above.

every noob in the game can pick up nasus aswell. hes not mechanically more difficult than garen.

again. both champions have about the same play rate and winrate at the moment.

54367

LMAO, delusional much? You know how much farm garren needs? none. Garren can be garren with zero farm. You know how much nasus needs? 100 to be useful, 150 to be an asset, and 200+ to be vicious enough to be the scary threat. He has the weakest early game of any champ in LoL now that poopy is dead and if he is shut down early all you can do is try to farm while your team bitches at you.

I've seen noobs try to nasus and it is comical. I've seen noobs try to garren and never die. If you think they are at the same level you are either ignorant, stupid, or a Liar.

Critmaster Garen3 votes

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what youre seing or dont see is irrelevant. youre basing an opinion on anecdotal evidence. i presented you with facts.

nasus is doing fine. in fact in terms of power hes on the same level as garen at the moment.

both champions effectiveness heavily relies on decision making instead of mechanical skill. beginner garens compared to experienced garens have a drastically lower winrate.

and from experience i can tell you that garen does need quite a bit of farm before he becomes relevant. nasus and garen both powerspike around midgame. they have slightly different matchups in which they perform well.

im playing both champions and nasus isnt any more difficult to pick up on. both require a lot of experience if you want to play them to their full potential.

alaskaneagle1 votes

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what youre seing or dont see is irrelevant. youre basing an opinion on anecdotal evidence. i presented you with facts.

54367

you have presented no facts, no references, no proof and have Only stated your opinion, WHICH is Not any of what you just claimed it to be.

Critmaster Garen3 votes

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54367

you have presented no facts, no references, no proof and have Only stated your opinion, WHICH is Not any of what you just claimed it to be.

http://champion.gg/champion/Nasus

i already posted this. as you can see it takes about 5 games for players to grasp how nasus works.

you can check out garens champion page. they almost have the same playrates and winrates right now. bot are doing fine.

youe sitting in silver 2. you havent even fully understood how the game works. before you run around accusing people of being dillusional, have you considered that the problem is you if youre not performing well with nasus?

and before youre commenting on my account, this is obviously a forum smuph.

alaskaneagle1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YtKehT0,comment-id=0007000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-01T17:42:54.702+0000)

http://champion.gg/champion/Nasus

i already posted this. as you can see it takes about 5 games for players to grasp how nasus works.

you can check out garens champion page. they almost have the same playrates and winrates right now. bot are doing fine.

youe sitting in silver 2. you havent even fully understood how the game works. before you run around accusing people of being dillusional, have you considered that the problem is you?

and before youre commenting on my account, this is obviously a forum smuph.

54367

It is also just as close in stats to anvia. Are you saying anvia and garen are the same difficulty level?

You are sitting at level 10. you don't know anything, and using a smurf on forums means your either a complete as shole or a coward. What you afraid people will see how bad you are, or you afraid people will pick on you.

This is my main though I don't play it in ranked, S2 is where I seeded in last season. Did you miss that little bit of info? the fact I only have 10 games played on this account? I think you miss a lot when you look at any info which is why I think you are wrong about pretty much everything

You also missed the ban rate. If nasus is just as vicious as garren why is his ban rate 1/10th as much as garens?

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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using a forum smurph is nothing unusual. im not afraid of anything. this account exists mainly because the forums for different regions used to be separated. and i made it a) for fun and roleplay b) because the na forums were more active than other regions.

but yes, it also has the advantage that people youre discussing with on the forums dont carry this into the game.

i simply stuck with it. and all your bitching doesnt change the fact that youre just sitting in silver. youre not actually good or or have a lot of game knowlegde. you can complain that im sitting on a smurph all day. those statistics are fact no matter either of our rank.

plzdonhakme3 votes

there are a lot of downvotes your arguments: he does damage, and hes tanky he can kills towers quickly he can farm his q

that is irrelevant

my argument: he gets countered by meta laners he needs minions to kill towers

your arguments arent even the same as mine

why do you think my list included champions? because im not talking about Nasus. Im talking about Nasus in relevance to the present meta

Mecha MaIphite3 votes

Nasus actually has a very high win rate against Illaoi (probably because he can sustain and farm her tentacles). He also is sitting right at 50% against Darius, and a little over 50% against Gnar, Jax, and Fiora.

plzdonhakme1 votes

gnar and Darius overall has less than 49% win rate Jax has less than 48%

these champions are overly popular and players who arent good think they are and play some of them anyway. Also Darius can get kited easily, and gets generally outscaled by Nasus

laughup023 votes

A lot of the matchups you said that he is countered in is wrong. Darius I can understand, but you can still beat a darius as Nasus just by playing it safe with his abilities or at least not feed.

Garen is a counter to Nasus? What? Illaoi is a easy lane as Nasus, just farm the tentacles and dodge her stuff. Jax is still favored for Nasus, just got to be more careful. Nasus vs Fiora is still Nasus favored, although next patch might change that. He might lose to trundle 1v1 if he doesn't watch the ult, but he shouldn't ever lose lane to him. You also said trundle twice. The Riven vs Nasus matchup is highly exaggerated. Although thunderlords made it a little harder, it's actually pretty Nasus favored. Gnar vs Nasus, Gnar has to be REALLY good to be able to stop Nasus. Nasus vs Mundo, he shouldn't be able to lose lane here, but he most likely won't stop mundo scaling unless Mundo is bad. Nasus vs Vayne, yeah Nasus usually shouldn't do well here unless his jungler camps. In which case it's most likely a dead Vayne.

Honestly, Nasus is very strong mid game if he gets to it, then falls off somewhat late game. He isn't a competitive pick for about a year now, but he isn't THAT bad. He just isn't strong. If you asked me, leave his early game as is, nerf his mid game somewhat, buff his late game a little bit.

By the way, this is coming from a Nasus main. I've experienced these matchups plenty of times, just learn to play them.

plzdonhakme1 votes

riven vs nasus is actually a fairly even lane, but riven does have an early advantage and can easily snowball by killing your teammates due to her high mobility. Garen is actually not as strong of a counter anymore but you basically have to give up quite a few minions in the first few minuites because his q is insane in that lane in early levels. I should have mentioned yasuo, you dont outscale him until at least like 10 to 15 minuites.

also if i sum them up i see "i play a lot of nasus and i play against these champions a lot. these counters arent counters cuz you can just be a bitch and stay under tower during all of laning" which is basically a counter

laughup023 votes

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riven vs nasus is actually a fairly even lane, but riven does have an early advantage and can easily snowball by killing your teammates due to her high mobility. Garen is actually not as strong of a counter anymore but you basically have to give up quite a few minions in the first few minuites because his q is insane in that lane in early levels. I should have mentioned yasuo, you dont outscale him until at least like 10 to 15 minuites.

also if i sum them up i see "i play a lot of nasus and i play against these champions a lot. these counters arent counters cuz you can just be a bitch and stay under tower during all of laning" which is basically a counter

...that's what Nasus is supposed to do early game. Sit under tower and farm. He's not an early game champion, he can't trade at all until 6. He's more game and lane knowledge than mechanics. It isn't a counter, a counter for Nasus's case is a champion that can deny him farm and/or kill him early while hes farming even under tower. Someone like Pantheon. THAT is a counter to Nasus. Garen isn't a counter because he can't do much to Nasus under tower even with his W and passive. Riven isn't a counter because if she wants to do damage to a decent Nasus, she's going to push the lane, which Nasus can just farm under tower just fine against Riven.

Also, Yasuo is a super easy lane as Nasus. I've faced really really good Yasuos, but unless I mess up heavily they can't kill me and you can usually kill them by first back.

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

I'm going to say this as someone who loves playing Nasus: No.

He's already quite strong, he's capable of playing around many of his counters when used correctly, and his mid-game is monstrous while his late-game is still strong.

I would hate to see him receive an unnecessary buff only to be nerfed elsewhere.

TyroneWatermelon3 votes

theretheretheretheretheryouryouryouryouryour legacy shall drift away

MLDzXnRRR2 votes

He is ok, needs rework - toxic gameplay with afk farm, splitpushing, 1shotting people. Also takes no skill to play aside from surviving the laning.

plzdonhakme1 votes

if you get countered by every meta top laner then the enemy will be more useful

DaedricTerror131 votes

You can't one shot people with nasus even with 1000 stacks, it'll always be at least two shots and there is 3 seconds cd between his Q.

Jorencice1 votes

Good thing he has a 99% slow then huh?

colesy2 votes

inb4 bronze downvotes

oh wait

plzdonhakme1 votes

that was funny. got a good laugh

Carnarius2 votes

i've said this many times and i'll say it again, nasus may be really strong low/mid elo champion, and he becomes weaker and weaker as he climbs up, being a trash tier pick in master tier +. it will be hard to balance him in the way he could be viable in any elo, without a partial/full rework

Jorencice1 votes

No thanks. Maybe your just bad at q farming. My freind 2 shot a tower yesterday. Literally 2 shot.

So yea you can still face tank towers.

Not to mention the fact he can 1 shot most squishy while being insanely tanky.

plzdonhakme2 votes

the towers get insane armor when there are no minions. i can farm my q just fine and it still takes 2 shots for squishies

Jorencice1 votes

Psh ur not playing crit nasus then.

He's best nasus ^-^.

I've crit for over 3k before 1 shot enemy ekko.

DaedricTerror131 votes

If he had 1000 stacks with minions there maybe.

Jorencice1 votes

Yea and?

I mean how dare a Champion not be strong enough to 2 shot a tower while only taking 2 to 3 hits with no minions......

plzdonhakme1 votes

part of my argument is without minions. because nasus used to be able to do that. considering he was never meta but still getting nerfed is pretty significant

Surfer Ashe1 votes

Except when Nasus is good, he creates such a powerful presence with just the threat of him farming his Q.

People don't talk about him a lot, but he's pretty feast and famine too, and even with the THREAT of farming his Q and you having little to do except hope your other lanes are alright while you camp the shit out of Nasus (god forbid they have a hypercarry mid or bot) does not make for fun gameplay.

However, when Nasus doesn't farm his Q, he brings so little to the table that makes him a liability to his team.

Regardless, he's in a decent spot now and prefer him to be a niche pick over a competitive one.

plzdonhakme1 votes

but hes not because the popular top laners all counter him

Jorencice2 votes

Sigh here.

http://champion.gg/champion/Nasus

Educate your self.

He has a good winrate and defeats many champions.

He actually dumpsters illoia and poppy.

Nasus is fine.

plzdonhakme1 votes

interestingly enough his win rate drops a lot after 40 minuites. anyways the champions that counter him have a higher play rate and the sample pool is bigger. also in ranked people rarely pick nasus before seeing the enemy top laner. the times that they dont is probably why renekton has such a large sample pool. he also has significantly less kills and assists while having more deaths than average. he does beat poppy. i would argue against illaoi because people dont know how to play her, including me. unless you have some cdr runes and a good first 3 minuites she can really zone a nasus.

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

Of course it drops after 40 minutes. Nasus is more of a mid-game champion than a late-game champion.

In the mid-game (i.e. 20-35 minutes), Nasus will typically have two major resistance items (Frozen Heart and Spirit Visage) and Trinity Force with about 300-600 stacks. At this point in the game, enemy carries have not yet been able to itemize penetration to kill him or defenses to survive against him which will allow him to dominate fights.

In addition, mid-game will often be primarily skirmishes rather than proper teamfights. Nasus is succeptible to being CC-locked and kited during proper teamfights and can have difficulty getting past the enemy teams to hit the carries, but this can be accomplished much easier in mid-game skirmishes.

Jorencice1 votes

Look. Nasus simply can't be buffed. Without nerf ing him as well. Like making 500 stacks the maximum.

He's too toxic with his ability to destroy anyone he comes into range of unless you waste MULTIPLE CC to kill him.

plzdonhakme1 votes

interesting thought. perhaps my experience was a lot more negative because i notice that teams never do anything when the cc is wasted.

but also when the enemy team has real teamfighting champions or adc has qss or support has crucible theres not much you can do

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2055471829/208257366?tab=overview

He's fine. Shush.

plzdonhakme1 votes

i hope thats a joke. you sent me one game? i did that as malphite. am i arguing malphite is op? nah

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Huh, cz your thread seems as if it's 100% fact of Nasus being unviable & needs meaningless buffs, and yet after sending you this link, you're still refuting that he's (not OP, but..) fine?

Lemme get your logic:

People show you one game of a bad Nasus game, you will state "Haha I told you so!"

But if people show you one game of a good Nasus game, you will state "Pfft it's just one game, it's nothing!"

http://i.imgur.com/UaRVVSU.gif

plzdonhakme1 votes

when did someone show me a bad game and i said haha i told you so

i like the picture tho

alaskaneagle1 votes

54367

He can't tank the inhib turrets anymore no matter how stacked he is. I Q'd an inhib turret with 700 stacks loaded on my q and it did 100 dmg...

So either rito is just fu cking with me, or nas can no longer tank and take inhib turrets meaning his big scary thing that people complained about is gone making him under powered.

plzdonhakme1 votes

so you agree?

math crab1 votes

so, what I'm getting out of this is

  1. a lategame champion isn't winning lane for free
  2. he can't facetank towers

and these are supposed to be problems? do you live in the negaverse?

plzdonhakme1 votes

the interesting thing is that with his low mobility and vulnerability to cc, a lot of his counters, the meta champions, are more useful. thats why they are meta and nasus is not. many of them can get on your carry a lot easier

colesy1 votes

lategame champion? funny guy.

nightsharks1 votes

Nasus has no counters. When there's an enemy Nasus, you're in a race to destroy the Nexus before he finishes farming.

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