It will make ADCs stronger. cool.
All I ask is that Riot keeps an eye on 
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These items 
might increase their win rate significantly... maybe.
Mastery Yi R + SoS will increase his AS so much. Yasuo passive shield + PD shield... PD crit + IE crit = 100% crit chance with 225% crit damage for 6k gold.
Syrile1 votesThis is actually the real reason, I would imagine. Not to buff ADCs, as some people seem to say that after running the numbers they are a nerf. But instead to make certain champions (that happen to be Pub-Stomper champions) buffed.
saltran1 votesas some people seem to say that after running the numbers they are a nerf.
That was for the numbers on the "exploring crit items 2" thread, the changes on the PBE are indeed buffs.
Critmaster Garen1 votesThis is actually the real reason, I would imagine. Not to buff ADCs, as some people seem to say that after running the numbers they are a nerf. But instead to make certain champions (that happen to be Pub-Stomper champions) buffed.
theyre bringing the 3 crit rush bullshit back. only this time marksmen have 100% crit chance off 3 items.
in what world is this not a buff?
Syrile1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0Ndi7Mp1,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-01-28T15:02:16.193+0000)
theyre bringing the 3 crit rush bullshit back. only this time marksmen have 100% crit chance off 3 items.
in what world is this not a buff?
The original numbers that were ran were determined to be a nerf. Thus my statement. Apparently, it has been since changed.
Critmaster Garen1 votesThe original numbers that were ran were determined to be a nerf. Thus my statement. Apparently, it has been since changed.
the original numbers dont take the massive buffs into account that marksmen received after 8.11 as a result of those changes.
not to mention, that marksmen were broken back then and under no circumstance they should be buffed back to what they were before that patch.
so not reverting everything entirely makes 100% sense.
in my opinion they shouldnt get shit at all before theyve been reworked to a healthier playstile than the pure stat check gameplay that they have now.
Syrile1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0Ndi7Mp1,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-28T16:14:51.064+0000)
the original numbers dont take the massive buffs into account that marksmen received after 8.11 as a result of those changes.
not to mention, that marksmen were broken back then and under no circumstance they should be buffed back to what they were before that patch.
so not reverting everything entirely makes 100% sense.
in my opinion they shouldnt get shit at all before theyve been reworked to a healthier playstile than the pure stat check gameplay that they have now.
Interesting opinion. Sounds more like a dislike for ADC rather than anything else though.
Critmaster Garen1 votesInteresting opinion. Sounds more like a dislike for ADC rather than anything else though.
adc have been buffed after 8.11 multiple times in a row as a result of the crit item changes. that is an objective fact.
reverting itemization 1:1 to pre 8.11 would buff the entire class in relation to before the patch.
the 8.11 patch was made in the first place, because marksmen were overtuned at the time. the 3 crit item rush made them power spike too early in the game off too cheap itemization. this is also an objective fact.
overall, the changes on the pbe are a buff to marksmen, since they once again will power spike earlier in the game.
riot has also buffed their runes, which is the most worrying part. theyre overdoing it again.
Syrile1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0Ndi7Mp1,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-28T18:06:05.674+0000)
adc have been buffed after 8.11 multiple times in a row as a result of the crit item changes. that is an objective fact.
reverting itemization 1:1 to pre 8.11 would buff the entire class in relation to before the patch.
the 8.11 patch was made in the first place, because marksmen were overtuned at the time. the 3 crit item rush made them power spike too early in the game off too cheap itemization. this is also an objective fact.
overall, the changes on the pbe are a buff to marksmen, since they once again will power spike earlier in the game.
riot has also buffed their runes, which is the most worrying part. theyre overdoing it again.
Someone already addressed the 3-item claim. I think you are misunderstanding the buffs. IE was nerfed in the reversion and that was easily the strongest item. Not only that, most of the items are still weaker than they used to be. Further more, their starting AD was nerfed to make CSing harder. So were their base stats across the board. And ADCs were much less of a problem after Ardent was nerfed. The nerfs you are talking about did not weaken them, they made bot lane mages and bruisers and tanks. When you have top level ADCs playing Vlad and Viktor or literally benching themselves, you killed the role, not weakened it.
Anime Fizz1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0Ndi7Mp1,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-01-28T15:02:16.193+0000)
theyre bringing the 3 crit rush bullshit back. only this time marksmen have 100% crit chance off 3 items.
in what world is this not a buff?
???
Every crit item gives 25% crit now, with 3 crit items they'll have 75%, not 100%.
Pre 8.11 they had 80% with 250% damage crits, now they have 75% crit with 225% crits.
Not even mentioning the base stats nerfs that are still there, Its still a large nerf compared to pre 8.11.
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0Ndi7Mp1,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2019-01-28T18:32:56.536+0000)
???
Every crit item gives 25% crit now, with 3 crit items they'll have 75%, not 100%.
Pre 8.11 they had 80% with 250% damage crits, now they have 75% crit with 225% crits.
Not even mentioning the base stats nerfs that are still there, Its still a large nerf compared to pre 8.11.
their original plans were to keep the double crit passive there.
thank god, they removed it too it seems. we dont need another season 7 and 8 marksman meta. so this time theyre actually shifting power from their lategame into their midgame, and increase their defense. fair trade i guess.
AhhShucks1 votesCrit Yi is probably healthier and easier to itemize against than the on-hit super mixed damage version we have now.
His kit has all kinds of reasons to build crit in it. It's been pretty annoying that for a long time now it's been the wrong build path.
Anime Fizz1 votesPD change is a nerf for yasuo btw.
And the new spirit soujin item is literally current ER, but nerfed, so im not sure how a worse item will make yi stronger.
