Who is Morde Supposed to be good against?

GigglesO·Oct 21, 2018·27 votes·12,246 views

I am not even sure I really understand who I'm supposed to be good against as a morde main...

I used to think I was a good anti-assassin/burst champ because of my sustain and anti burst tools. I used to think i was good against tanks because I had some nice %hp destroy synergy.

I used to think I was shit against adc's because of my lack of mobility...

Now I find myself dying too fast to fight burst champions. I find tanks ccing me to death while I stand there doing nothing. Adc's still kite the shit out of me...

What am I even supposed to be as a champion besides "take dragon get secondary objective with dragon"?

I'm not sure if this should be a plz buff morde, or a plz nerf damage thread...

67 Comments

DethflashOct 21, 201820 votes

Mord used to be good several season ago, until Riot had the monkey brain idea that they should rework Mord into a melee adc with zero movement speed buffs or dashes. So now Mord just sits in this awkward spot were he is completely useless like 95% of games he is played in. Riot just needs to rework Mord again, preferably so that he is good top laner. Pre-garbage rework Mord used to be an amazing top laner who would just hard shove lanes super fast, but his weakness was no mobility so it left Mord vulnerable to ganks.

GigglesOOct 21, 20189 votes

I knew that, I have mained him since season 1. Even last season I felt like I had a decent place in this game... Now I just don't understand what I'm supposed to be anymore. Mainly since the rune update when I can't cover up my weak af base stat issues with scaling and flat defense runes...

DethflashOct 21, 20185 votes

Summon Aery is the main keystone I've seen people take on Mord, but yeah i agree he doesn't really have any good runes. There are supposed to be some rune changes next season where you can pick your base stats from the runes, hopefully that will help Mord out a little bit till Riot gets around to giving him a rework. I used to main Mord also for several season, until Riot reworked him and i hated the rework so much i barely touch the champ anymore. If Riot ever gets around to giving Mord a good rework i would probably main Mord again. Here is a video link if you want to check out some of the preseason changes coming https://youtu.be/YwSvpRdQJVg

IPromiseTomorrowOct 22, 20182 votes

Maybe try glacial augment? I think it might work

MordepoolOct 21, 201810 votes

I thought Hail of Blades would be good for Morde but then Jhin Broke it and Morde maybe procs the full thing twice all game

Z3SleeperOct 21, 20182 votes

Hail didn't get nerfed or anything. It got bugfixed specifically for Jhin since he was the only one even able to abuse the attack speed bonus on the first hit.

It's unchanged for everyone else. It functions exactly the same and provides the same bonuses.

drash79Oct 21, 201815 votes

Mordekaiser isnt the champion. His pet dragon is. was nerfed so hard after the rework all because of his pet dragon op levels.

Some morde mains keep askng riot to remove the dragon passive just so he can back to being a champion.

But rito keep refusing saying that morde will lose his identity and lack anything unique about him.

So Mordekaiser isnt the champ. Its really according to rito the dragon.

GigglesOOct 21, 20185 votes

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But rito keep refusing saying that morde will lose his identity and lack anything unique about him.

Except That his Shield Mechanic, no CC, and stronger than average pet?

His Aoes are pretty unique too...

Its more unique than almost all new champs... General High Mobility General High Damage Followed with Some sort of Damage reducing ability

Akali, Camille, Irelia... could keep going... but you get the idea...

Slythrin UmbreonOct 21, 20184 votes

But in general, they nerfed him until he wasn't worth using in order to keep the dragon. Not justified at all.

Disabled SupportOct 21, 20185 votes

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isnt the champion. His pet dragon is. was nerfed so hard after the rework all because of his pet dragon op levels.

Some morde mains keep askng riot to remove the dragon passive just so he can back to being a champion.

But rito keep refusing saying that morde will lose his identity and lack anything unique about him.

So isnt the champ. Its really according to rito the dragon.

Do not forget his literal book of bugs that rito cannot fix / has given up on fixing lolol

YuGiHoOct 21, 201810 votes

with item 3151 item 3116 that dragon is one of the best champs in the game

Bob the ToastrOct 22, 20181 votes

Omg I loved when Morde was first reworked, that 3rd Q was so satisfying. I'd build both a Mejai's Soulstealer and a Sword of the Occult and my 3rd Q's would go BOOM.

HeraimishOct 21, 201814 votes

He counters game stability.

ez mental boomOct 21, 20189 votes

Melee champs

He has some powerspike somewhere that I have never been able to pinpoint where he can duel most melees. Think it has something to do with his w healing

GigglesOOct 21, 201810 votes

You haven't been playing against aatrox, camille, illaoi, darius and crew in awhile have you?

ez mental boomOct 21, 20183 votes

I don't play Morde, I play against him. Not very often. Actually maybe less than once a month. Hence why I have no idea where that spike is; he just starts beating me in fights sometime between 10 and 20 minutes if I'm not already ahead

DethflashOct 21, 20182 votes

Mord is actually quite easy to counter with almost any champion currently. Just wait for him to use his Q then he doesnt have any good dps for the next 10 secs early, 4 secs once Q is maxed. Or have a teammate come gank, Mord has zero mobility so if is flash is down and someone comes ganks Mord is dead. Even if Mord is flash is up, if you or your teammate have a dash he is still probably dead. And im not a Mord expert anymore, but i think his power spike is once his W is maxed since that how he gets his heals, so engaging after us uses his W (the spinning pieces of metal around him) means he wont be able to heal during the fight. Just some tips on how to play against Mord

MordepoolOct 21, 20189 votes

All i can say is Be what the Team needs.

Win Condition Get Herald get Ghost Get 3 Towers

Malicious MetalOct 21, 20186 votes

Morde still counters a lot of champions mid lane, especially assassins, and exerts pressure through insane wave clear, dragon control and good rotations.

You need to play to his strengths as a champion, which lie in brick walling mid, shoving waves, bullying certain matchups and working with his team to enable him.

He needs a rework due to having literally no agency of his own but he does work in some ways.

YuGiHoOct 21, 20185 votes

the way his shielding works he is pretty decent vs pet users like Yorick Zyra Heimerdinger

ReformedfindlayOct 21, 20183 votes

Honestly morde makes little sense to me.

Most times I see him he just goes pure AP and tries to get one q auto before pressing R to delete a squishy. If it doesnt work hes useless.

He used to be able to go toe to toe with other bruisers, but a lot of bruisers have gotten powercreeped over him.

Darius used to be a skill matchup but nowadays I can just fucking outright delete morde with fairly little effort after all the E and W buffs and passive buffs.

The Prog3nitorOct 21, 20183 votes

Mordekaiser's considered strong against most tanks and fighters. He's somewhat good against juggernauts but some just beat him out Illaoi . Mordekaiser used to go even with Darius but the recent damage buffs sort of tipped the scale towards axe boi. Mordekaiser stomps on Garen if you prepare everything when he goes in. Yorick depends on how you play. But you'll mostly win because his zombies are coded like monsters so you get a full heal from them. Plus you can auto reset with Q to escape his wall during laning phase.

Two champs that Mordekaiser stomps on most of the time are Yasuo and Riven you poke with E knocking out Yasuo's sheild and when he goes in you out damage him because Q bonks to strong and W heals to good. You can use your E when Riven goes to farm to force her to either take it or burn E to avoid the damage.

He counters Urgot at about level 4 and beyond that because of your heal.

Mordekaiser falls off late game until flash comes up. He's basically a different champion when his flash is up, he goes from a carry trying to survive in team fights to a massive back line threat that can one shot squishes with his combo at about 400AP.

Keystone wise I take Phase rush because it's easy to proc with Mordekaiser's kit but also it lets him make good trades with champions that he would normally not be able to trade with. It also lets him follow champions with dashes that try to escape. But again always change your runes for what you're against.

You might consider taking glacial augment and rush spooky ghosts for the slow so people can't escape when you fight them. Personally I haven't tried it yet but I do plan to at some point.

Personally I think Mordekaiser's short comings don't only come from his lack of mobility but from his lack of base defense stats. He has low base HP and Armour for a melee champ making him easy pickings for ad champions in any role. This is most likely to compensate for Mordekaiser's passive. But it still bites him in the ass due to how feast or famine it is.

GigglesOOct 21, 20181 votes

What’s interesting is he used to have both better base stats and better shielding... I’m not really sure why he can’t have either of them. He could even keep his dragon if they made his hp gains when he has dragon smaller.

I really don’t get it why they refuse to balance certain champions.

Turbo MegazordOct 21, 20183 votes

Morde is a great champion and he is good against everyone if the enemy jungler is afk/boosted/bot .

Velzard of KozOct 21, 20183 votes

Programmers.

GigglesOOct 21, 20181 votes

[sg-miss-fortune]

ModCaptainMårvelousOct 21, 20182 votes

According to OP.gg (So make of it what you will), Morde's strong against Vlad, Riven and Gnar. Which is one weird grabbage but it seems like he's good against champs who can't clear waves as fast as he can?

GigglesOOct 21, 20183 votes

I'm pretty sure he isn't that strong against Gnar... Hes fine against Mega, but mini can just kite.

Beast BrawlerOct 21, 20181 votes

Am Morde main can confirm, a decent Gnar will just kite the fuck out of you and chase you when you run. It's a feelsbadman matchup.

Slythrin UmbreonOct 21, 20182 votes

Morde is supposed to be good against Dragons

d0riyahOct 21, 20182 votes

I play Mord a bit and...yeah I can't answer you. Late game he can sometimes do the thing where you flash onto priority target with 3rd Q but not he can't even kill them most of the time. No clue.

Deathhawk888Oct 21, 20182 votes

He hard counters all champions in the game by abusing his bugs to make the enemies bugsplat.

KelgOct 21, 20182 votes

Champs with minions. Malzahar Zyra Yorick Heimerdinger and tanks.

CarnicoreOct 21, 20182 votes

He's supposed to be a mage I guess. He's not really a champion until he has Rylai's.

gileskdOct 21, 20181 votes

taric

morde beats him, cause taric is the real champ that cant beat anyone 1v1.

Ivern and IreliaOct 21, 20183 votes

false. Taric actually beats most melee champs 1v1

gileskdOct 21, 20181 votes

now I gotta ask, HOW? taric only has 1 damage ability, which scales off of AP it has a moderate cooldown, given his passive. the rest of his damage comes solely from auto attacks. how do you spam auto attacks? you use your abilities, auto, abilities, auto. mostly q item 3076 this item hits him hard, heck, any armor sets him back

now that I asked how, which champions lose to taric?

The Prog3nitorOct 21, 20186 votes

Taric's damage doesn't come from his abilities, they're instead used as utility for him to spam his passive and have it up basically at all times. Combine that with tri force procs and that's alot of damage to have to deal with.

gileskdOct 21, 20181 votes

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Taric's damage doesn't come from his abilities,

maybe I did not say it clearly enough, he only has 1 damage ability, which scales of AP, in which he usually will not build AP. so his damage does not come from his abilities, is what I said. the only other way he can deal damage is from auto attacks. taric drains mana FAST in order to spam those auto attacks. he does not have burst. now back to my question

WHO does taric beat?

Aatrox nope Akali nope Alistar nope Amumu nope Blitzcrank nope Braum nope Camille nope Chogath double nope Darius nope Garen nada Gragas nope Hecarim nope Illaoi you are dead Irelia nope JarvanIV nope Jax nope Kassadin nope Katarina nope Kayn nope Khazix nope Kled get off his lawn LeeSin nope Leona BURNED by the sun! Malphite nope Maokai barking up the wrong tree Mordekaiser you don't have a ghost of a chance Nasus guaranteed 300 stacks at 10 minutes, give or take 3 billion Nautilus hook line and sinker Nunu he eats you Olaf slow down there buddy Ornn hey, I found these armor pieces laying around mount targon, want to buy them? Pantheon nope Poppy nope Rakan nope Rammus stop hitting yourself RekSai get knocked up boy Renekton nope Rengar nope Riven nope Rumble things are heating up Sejuani nope Shaco its a trap Shen nope Shyvana nope Singed good luck Sion nope Skarner nope TahmKench time to sleep Talon stay in base Thresh your soul belongs to him Trundle nice armor you got there Tryndamere your heal is cute Udyr beast mode Urgot NOPE not even her Volibear don't feed the bear Warwick here comes brucy!!! MonkeyKing psyched! XinZhao nope Yasuo cant reach his 0/10 powerspike since he will be deathless Yorick pick a grave, any grave Zac nope Zed nope

AlienPrimateOct 21, 20181 votes

Jayce Yep https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2891075315/209287161?tab=overview

Shyvana Yep https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2890840636/209287161?tab=overview

Urgot Yep (not even using a good build, just a troll build form randomville episode 59) https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2887261442/209287161?tab=overview

Talon A resounding YES https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2883896875/209287161?tab=overview

Katarina Yes https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2883842276/209287161?tab=overview

Fizz GGEZ https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2882538392/209287161?tab=overview

Syndra Yep https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2882478725/209287161?tab=overview

Quad in this game Aatrox Literally dominating https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2881266934/209287161?tab=overview

Zed 2 minute first blood into bleeding anus https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2877871369/209287161?tab=overview

Darius Yep (team too heavy though) https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2877769904/209287161?tab=overview

Shaco Yep https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2872953034/209287161?tab=overview

TahmKench Yep https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2871471518/209287161?tab=overview

MasterYi Lel https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2855832465/209287161?tab=overview

Fiora Double Lel https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2855482521/209287161?tab=overview

Camille EZ https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2851848658/209287161?tab=overview

Khazix Godlike EZ https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2847230432/209287161?tab=overview

Singed OMEGALUL https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2842959897/209287161?tab=overview

Swain Yep https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2841790057/209287161?tab=overview

Gangplank Yep https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2834251555/209287161?tab=overview

I'm sick of this now. Surely this is enough to prove the power of Taric.

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

I generally agree than offensive Taric is a monster. Even Pants Are Dragon was running it for awhile..... because on attack speed items he could just mow down an entire team with impunity while his stun was up, and because it fueled his heals/passive damage boost synergy.

AlienPrimateOct 21, 20181 votes

??????????????????????????

Taric destroys any melee without high mobility. Here are some videos I have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH2pjtL4smw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MO22VonedI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8phCr-m_Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et2srj1C85I

gileskdOct 21, 20181 votes

3 clips of people running up to you, standing shoulder to shoulder. when that is taric's strength, instead of kiting or zoning you. 1 clip of a nasus not starting q. those wouldn't happen to be a smurf playing low elo games would it? [sg-ahri-2]

AlienPrimateOct 21, 20181 votes

What does a melee champion have to do? Run up to you. This is why Taric counters pretty much any melee champion, especially someone with absolutely no mobility like Morde.

Agent CorgiOct 21, 20181 votes

I play him into Yasuo at Mid. Sure you can windwall Morde's E, but you can't windwall the other portions of his Kit. I also play him into other melee's like Katarina as well.

Runes: [Inspiration] - Glacial Augment/Magical Footwear/Future's Market/Approach Velocity [Sorcery] - Nimbus Cloak/Celerity

Items: item 1082 item 2031 -> item 3905 -> item 3020 -> item 3116 -> item 3151 -> Situational

The Prog3nitorOct 21, 20184 votes

I play him into Yasuo at Mid. Sure you can windwall Morde's E

[sg-lux-2]

You can't wind wall Mordekaiser's E. It's not a projectile. That's one of the reason's Mordekaiser's good against Yasuo is because you make one of his skills useless.

DeusVultOct 22, 20181 votes

Morde is good at fighting certain melee champs and at getting a nice push in the lane, especially early

Morde is horrible at getting out of ganks

Morde is like having all of the DPS of Master Yi, but without the insane movespeed, ability resets or being able to dodge CC/damage with a point and click ability

ZaFishboneOct 22, 20181 votes

Darius, I think.

GodlyBaneOct 22, 20181 votes

Yasuo Riven

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

The answer is..... you're good vs tightly grouped champs. You gain more shield, which helps prevent them from dipping into your HP before item 3146 recovers it.

Also..... keep in mind 2 patches ago they reversed the nerf to item 3151 , which effectively makes Morde's ult a Minimum 69.8 Of Max HP skill (At about 500 AP). AND that health heals into Mordekaiser, so while it's active, he's actively recovering a ton of health. If he's got 900+ HP, it's a 1 hit skill