I feel like they ruined swain a bit with this major ult nerf

abdul569··2 votes·932 views

tldr; make ult cd inscrease with rank instead of being the same all levels as a flat 20 sec ult hurts early game so much more as rank 1 ult is usually used for farming

I only joined in season 5 so pretty new and swain was 1 of the first champs i picked up on (after vlad) and I loved playing with him. Yes, He is oppressive AF yes, he did need nerfs yes, I hate the fact he became FOTM causing him to get these nerfs

But doubleing his ult cd is pretty rediculous (they were even thinking about making it 30 seconds!) if you ask me and hurts his early game so much more as the difference between a noob swain and a pro swain is his ability to farm by weaving ult in and out (especially pre-rework) and this ult nerf hits that hard. What annoyed me most was the lack of compensation expecially after his w root nerfs and more damage nerfs to q

However i reckon he does need to have higher cd late game especially since his core items will have cdr (abyssal, zohnya).

My suggestion:

  • Keep the increased ult lock (from 0.5 to 2 seconds) and maybe increase that to maybe 3 seconds as this will make players more mana aware especially early game

  • Make his ult increase in cd over rank instead of 20 seconds all levels...eg. 10/15/20 seconds so that early game isn't as affected and late game you will still have the window to attack him and so swain players must be more smart

4 Comments

Kaioko2 votes

You can still use his ult to farm early game as minion waves have more than 20 seconds of separation. And then as far as later goes - any swain should easily reach the 40% cdr cap with how he builds.

abdul5691 votes

As i said, nerf his late game cd because he can get 40% cdr easily but his early game shouldn't be hit as hard. when getting pushed you can spend quite a lot in ult mode or you lose lots of farm especially if it's a cannon minion wave. Pushing is hard with swain unless the enemy lets you or they are afraid of you if you get fed early and so often you are pushed yourself.

BlackMDragon1 votes

I have not try out Swain yet from the update we had. But Im having little problem at the moment with the login screen is black.

Ghiggs Boson1 votes

The ult lockout is ridiculous. It severely hurts his ability to use it to farm. If I want to use my 20 second cooldown to farm, then I should be able to, but as is you can't even prime the caster minions under your turret anymore since you can't turn your ult off..

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