Darius doesnt need rework, right?

Dormidon··2 votes·658 views

Hello! I don't understand why people on board hate Darius and everything related to him. Especially rework. They always explain about how strong he is against "every melee champion by instawinning lane". I don't think this is healthy attitude at all. So Meddler has promissed rework this year once again... But community doesn't seem really happy about that. I'd like to creat poll about this champion.

P.S They had disabled Darius patch 5.12 due the "bug" but his Dunkmaster and Lord skins aren't able to autoattack after E. I'll add "bugfix" then.

13 Comments

Bârd2 votes

Dont see any need for a rework. The guy is a lane bully. They exist. Deal with it.

Anonagon2 votes

There is a huge difference between "Lane Bully" and "Be Ranged or Die"

You can be a lane bully without being unfightable; see: Renekton

Matezoide2 votes

Ranged chanpions such as Quinn and Vayne bully melees harder than Darius ever could though.

Matezoide2 votes

Darius is fine. He doesnt need anything.

He is a melee lane bully with strong dueling. Thats it.

Dormidon1 votes

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Darius is fine. He doesnt need anything.

He is a melee lane bully with strong dueling. Thats it.

This game isn't 1v1 thing. That's the problem.

Matezoide3 votes

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This game isn't 1v1 thing. That's the problem.

He is stronger 1v1 than at 5v5. Whats wrong with that?

We cant have every champion being a team fight god.

Dormidon1 votes

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He is stronger 1v1 than at 5v5. Whats wrong with that?

We cant have every champion being a team fight god.

I understand your point. Heh. But he is falling so hard and becoming completely useless if he has failed during the laning phase (got outplayed or may be got camped by jungler/mid.). Completely no comebacks. What do you think?

Dunkrius2g2 votes

As a Darius main. I'll tell you why people absolutely hate him.

1: Dsrius used to have full reset ult from get go and when they get dunked, they go on forums and QQ. I started playing when Darius's ult already got the nerf so yeah. Changing his ult like that was completely understandable.

2: People using melee against him. They think they can win when you are just making Darius's life easier by dueling at his home field. Also, he has attack speed reduction. They also think that going melee and expecting to win that match up in a breeze.

3: Ult reset. Before Darius needed to use mana. Now he gets some mana back and once he reaches 16, free cost and full reset if you get killing blow.

4: allies hated him because his kit is made to kill steal while it is true that he can kill steal, BUT THE MAIN THING IS IF THE PLAYER WANTS TO KS. HE HAS THE CHOICE TO TAKE THE KILL OR NOT. He can deprive his mid laner or ADC from that gold which they desperately need but if there is no way for your mid laner to get it or ADC, then you can simply secure them an assist.

5: People say his ult is completely fine but why does he have an passive that makes him win any 1v1? Another reason why melee Hates him because he can easily apply 5 stacks when you are melee.

6:People don't like the fact that Darius can pull you in even though you are ranged, or you flashed and he still hooks you back in.

7: His kit gives you a free item 3035 while other champions don't have that luxury.

8: People say that he can just go straight up tank and deals tons of damage.

Tbh Darius is at a place where he just needs a few tweak here and there but nothing too major. If they do plan on completely reworking him, then I would be excited to see it but of course, some things should stay.

If you bring back his stun pull, then the whole forums will be filled with Nerf Darius and remove stun. And tbh they should fix his bugs. How long can that take, well that can take 3 years. If they want to buff him and leave him alone forever, the only best buff would be is full reset at lv 11 or he gets some form of mobility. Probably he gets 10-20% ms buff when he turns on his W. Darius does good against most melees but then again, this game is not meant to be 1v1, you will see jger top lane setting up his tent for you. If you really want to buff his late game... Hmm irdk how would you buff his late game. He has a trade off, a good early game for a mediocre late game. You wanna rework him? Well some Darius Mains want a couple of things to remain and some changed. They did have a link of a rework I'll post but I think they shelved it.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/01/morellos-thoughts-on-reworking-darius.html?m=1

This is just my 2 cents.

Dormidon2 votes

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As a Darius main. I'll tell you why people absolutely hate him.

Ok, I get it. Thanks for the response. About some extra mobility as a buff. I completely don't like it. Being kited hard is a part of his counter play. Good Darius player is able to avoid that situation. I guess this is some kind of skill. Chose your position, build properly (Rightous Glory/Alacrity Boots/TrinityForce/MS quints).

You know... I completely hate 15 AD + ignite Darius players. They're reason why people hate Darius as a champion. The well known problem of solo queue is lack of communication. When your jungler ignores you completely this guy will stomp as much as he wants to. I prefer to use MS runes. Makes you weaker all in. But helps to avoid bad trades, sometimes ganks. Now imagine if Riots will buff his mobility. All these bad players who just rush Hydra+Sunfire+NinjaTabi(Homeguard) (you know what I mean? lame stuff)... They will be useful!... Completely wrong direction. Braindead push and kill your opponent without any pressure. That should be punished for sure.

I think he needs some AD scaling buff. He is easy one to be focused, easy to kite. We all know these moments when you're enough tanky and have around 250+ ad... you still can't really hurt their frontline or fast delete their backline. You're useless when not ahead. He needs AD sclaing buff. That wouldn't be really OP. Sometimes you can't even stack your bleeding to enemies in teamfight. Something like ult buff would be good too. When you're getting resert ur ulti becomes stronger for next 20 seconds.

Dunkrius2g2 votes

Yeah you are right. If we do add mobility, then the only mobility to actually add tonhim is +5 for his movement speed. They nerfed his bleeds ratio from 200% bonus ad to 150%. If they really want to buff his ratio, I think they can just make his bleed stack up to 7-10 stacks. That way his ukt can deal more damage or you can reduce his damage a bit to make sure he doesn't become item 3401.

Probably be like this: 5 stacks = 100% extra damage on Ult. Any additional stacks will increase damage output by 10% and in total 50%. So instead his ult will deal 150% maximum damage out put. 340 base 1 stack ult. 680 base 5 stack ult. 850 base 10 stack ult. Ratio will remain unchanged because 150% bonus ad (when you have 5 stacks) is quite enough. You can increase but I think 150% is fine.

His bleed can have the same treatment.

Bleed deals 180 (150% bonus ad) 5 stacks. Over 5 seconds. If you reach 6 stacks then the damage out put of your bleed increases by 10% to the maximum of 50%.

Bleed deals 270 (225% bonus ad) ten stacks over 5 seconds.

You can add more AD for each reset he gets like 10% AD to a maximum of 50% AD. It lasts for how long he can Dunk you but this might be hard to do so when he can completely reset... So I don't know. His ratios = to this: 105% bonus Ad+ 150% bonus ad and +150% bonus ad so that is 455% bonus ad and 200% AD (From his W). His ratio seems quite a lot.

The only way I can think of for adding more ratio is tobmake his pull deal damage equal to Khazixs leap. Or a bit less than that and make it add a bleed stack. That way when he E->Aa->W->Aa->Q and 5 stacks right there. Its kinda hard to buff him in such a way that you won't find any QQ from somewhere else.

TL;DR actually just read tldr. The proposed change in the beginning is just making Darius a time ticking bomb which we don't want cuz fights dont last for too long. A way to buff him is to probably remove the barrier on his Q (deals 50% extra damage from any range it can be like this: once he maxes his Q to level 5, it unlocks and the barrier removes meaning he can deal 50% extra damage without any conditions). Actually if you reset on a kill, then you gain 10% AD for 20 seconds to a maximum of 50%. this could make him abit stronger but hey, this is what I can come up with.

SIDE POINT: Usually a Sivir's ult is really luxurious for a Darius. Having Shureliyas is good as well. Usually getting MS Quints is a really solid choice. If you can somehow get 3 drags and alacrity , then you'll be golden. I feel like Tri force is a really good item. It gives you pretty much you would want, Ad sheen process, MS, Attack speed. Lucky crits and the passive Rage. I feel BC is I won't say better but I'd prefer it. Because of the 20% CDR health and 30% armor shred. Tri force gives you mana and as Darius, any man's won't be wasted.

My runes are usually like this: 9 marks of AD. 9 seals of scaling armor. 9 scaling MR. 2 quints of armor and 1 ad quint. 10.5 AD/ 27 Armor @ Lv18/27 MR @Lv18/ and 8.5 Armor. With this, you can suffice with just Randuins, you have around 200 def with just a raduins. With Maw+Merc+Banshees, you'll have around 200 MR and your team will build a Locket so that is 220+. You can build up to three damage if you want. Here is my usual build.

item 3071 item 3156 item 3111 item 3102item 3143 and the last item is up to you. You want damage? item 3074. You want tankyness?item 3068 /item 3800 /item 3110 . In game with these 5 items you'll have around 230 AD/ 200 Def/ 200 MR/ 3.5k health. Only trade off is the extra movement speed but hey you can get alacrity doe.

Dormidon2 votes

Actually if you reset on a kill, then you gain 10% AD for 20 seconds to a maximum of 50% - I like it, mate.

Jakojo2 votes

I hate him because his only counters are more cancerous to the game than he is.

Dormidon1 votes

What do you think about his 5.12 E microstun guys? I think it gave him a lot opportunities. Fixed his late game problem. 53.8% winrate tho. Loved it.

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