i recall them saying in the champion roadmap that "his passive is a fresh new way of collecting souls" when in reality its literally kill stuff do more damage nothing about new swains soul mechanic on his ult is fun or interactive, its just "kill, do more damage" not exactly fresh..
Jo0o20 votesI assume that's in reference to him being able to right-click and tear a fragment out of anybody caught in CC around him, which does feel pretty cool and unique.
lil koda2 votesi suppose so, but i still feel the main way of collecting souls is just, kill shit
ChíckenDaddy6 votesWell there seems a lot more people dying in your games then mine. I would say about 3/4 of my souls are coming from passive pull/w.
Z3Sleeper1 votesI swear Swains would have half the souls they normally do if people would take the time to step out of W when they aren't even CC'd. People are like "this doesn't do that much damage so it's k if I stand in it".
ChíckenDaddy1 votesI almost never land w without cc but its pretty easy after a bit of practice to chain with your e cc to get 2 souls.
Teridax681 votesPersonally, I feel the way of expending souls is kinda weaksauce, since Soul Fragments only feed into one effect at the end of a 120-second cooldown, but I think the way of collecting them is awesome and much more diverse. You get them with takedowns, you can get them with an E + innate combo, you can get them with a W, you can get them by playing off of hard CC from allies, and so on, which is much more interesting than just converting kills to mana (which was also kept on his Q). He can still get souls just from killing shit, but there nonetheless are many more opportunities for soul collection written into his kit.
DegenERICK4 votesOMG HE DOESN'T HAVE A 2 PARAGRAPH ESSAY PASSIVE THAT SUMMONS DRAGONS AND SPAWNS TOWERS?
GEEZ
People like you are what ruined the game.
Velzard of Koz7 votesWhile I don't think his soul-collecting mechanic is bad, he has point and this is not what he says. In the roadman they said it's new mechanic, unlike any other soul-collecting mechanic, so expectations were pretty high about what interaction it provides. The result is pretty meh. Not bad, just not living up to the hype they created by wording it in the way they did.
Oleandervine3 votesHe collects them 3 ways - On champion death near him, when he lands his W on champions, and when he jerks a CC'd champion towards him using his passive. 2 of those ways are moderately unique ways to collect souls other the standard Thresh/Dark Harvest methods.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesIt can be on any champion death to my knowledge. I remember looking mid lane from top lane after my mid laner got a kill and there was a soul on the ground. Now I was nowhere near to get the soul, but it does work like Zoe W where it can be anywhere on the map tbh.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesWould be interesting if he could collect these soul fragments with his W, if they ever have to give him a slight buff in the future.
Oleandervine1 votesThat's a pretty large cooldown and lump of mana to waste for soul collection though.
VICKLIUS3 votesswain didn't need rework, he just needed an update adjustment, such has having his pass gain him mana or hp based on which is lower based on dmg dealt, q (animation Beatrice pecking interact w/ e Beatrice animation beam and hits multiple targets in her aoe marked by e), on either q/e 1.2/1.4/1.6/1.8/2x dmg on q while marked by e instead of 1.2xdmg e aoe "WHILE marked dmg to swain is reduced by 20%"increase range so can lead w/ it w when snare enemy champ gain ms, 10sec cd all ranks R when hit send out another raven at attacker(increase mana cost/for current mana cost) to counter that he can only send one every other second
I came up w/ the pass to help deal w/ the mass healers an he was dot so kills didn't make sense an only mana, q I hate abilities that get adjusted dmg based on target type like(or less from repeated hit) X2 just cause minion,so added e interact for the X1.2-2 dmg an to make it hit multiple also for his pass w gain ms so he could either go in or leave, an such long cd for reason idk(honestly hate cd go down, just make constant, more fun, more consistent playing) plus they are rooted, him gaining ms because of that is going to affect much e an help vs assassins an to go w/ pass , r I already explained
an this is the 15th separate post of ppl complaining of how riot made a new champ, and they did a crap job of it , plain and simple. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/IhLUOUK6-the-new-swain-discussions?comment=0001
lil koda9 votesi already saw one of ur comments on another thread, you just creat broken concepts
VICKLIUS1 voteshow is it broken? an in case u didn't read I changed it, because I did get feed back, higher level feed back then what u are probably capable of articulating.
Velzard of Koz7 votesYou'd have right criticising other people's ability to articulate feedback If your post was readable in any possible way. Enigma was cracked faster than your post.
VICKLIUS1 votesby anyone with a college reading level yes. guess that counts you out, for like, ever.
lil koda8 votesyou get dowvoted everytime, theres a reason
Velzard of Koz2 votesThat would offend me If only I didn't pass with the best reading comprehension result from high school graduation tests, wasn't accepted to elementary school class for intelectually gifted people based on the fact I've learnt myself how to read and write in kindergarten and If your skills were better than blending several sentences into one and leaving out words.
VICKLIUS1 votesYou are going to want too re"learnt" yourself how to read and write
Chembaron Yamada3 votesEnglish isn't my first language and even I can tell that "learnt" is an acceptable variant of the past form.
Not to mention your wrong usage of the word "too".
You probably should avoid bashing other people for their grammar in the future, it doesn't end well for you.
Velzard of Koz1 votesDarling, English is not my maternal language and I've learnt it in school where they naturally teach British English, so yes, learnt. That's how we were supposed to use it, that's how I use it, since I use mechanically the form I am most used to.
Lord Phazanor 1 votes[{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0HYKEJid,comment-id=000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-02-13T20:04:13.766+0000)
That would offend me If only I didn't pass with the best reading comprehension result from high school graduation tests, wasn't accepted to elementary school class for intelectually gifted people based on the fact I've learnt myself how to read and write in kindergarten and If your skills were better than blending several sentences into one and leaving out words.
You were winning the argument until you went full /r/iamverysmart mode...
Velzard of Koz1 votesI didn't go "I am very smart mode" I went "I have proofs in my life of my intellect so I don't need your judgement mode". Also I only mentoined these successes in my life related to reading abilities, since that is what he decided to criticise on my with no substance.
Kai Guy11 votesYour wording is unclear and detracts from your posts value. Its a sloppy formatting.
q (animation Beatrice pecking interact w/ e Beatrice animation beam and hits multiple targets in her aoe marked by e), on either q/e 1.2/1.4/1.6/1.8/2x dmg on q while marked by e instead of 1.2xdmg e aoe "WHILE marked dmg to swain is reduced by 20%"increase range so can lead w/ it w when snare enemy champ gain ms, 10sec cd all ranks R when hit send out another raven at attacker(increase mana cost/for current mana cost) to counter that he can only send one every other second
or
Q :Beatrix now hits all enemy's affected by swains other basic abilitys, damage amplification now scales per level. 1.2/1.4/1.6/1.8/2.0
W Swain now gains MS when he hits an enemy champion, Reduce the CD to 10 seconds at all ranks.
E. Increase its range and it now is an aoe, also it provides swain 20% damage reduction from targets affected by it
R. Reduce the rate of crow spawns, swain however now counters auto attacks with a crow. Its now like a thornmail that heals but Drains MP.
Also I'm of the mind this is a terrible kit WAY to much power no idea how or why you think this would be healthy in any way for the game. Whats supposed to counter swain? Auto attacks heal him, He can reduce all burst 20%, and your adding aoe to his QE which alone makes them do best case 4x more damage, then adding in more utility, and then adding in a AOE damage amp on top of that, with no damage nerfs discussed. Just not a healthy idea mate. That's why folks call it broken, why your getting spam downvotes.
I Main Swain3 voteshow is it broken? an in case u didn't read I changed it, because I did get feed back, higher level feed back then what u are probably capable of articulating.
its not really that its broken as much as that nobody cares and youre annoying af
Okuma1 votes[{quoted}](name=I Main Swain,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0HYKEJid,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2018-02-13T23:49:56.383+0000)
its not really that its broken as much as that nobody cares and youre annoying af
Well written sir!
RenownedWheat422 votesIf you're only getting souls from killing stuff and not from W or E, then you're not playing new Swain right at all.
Sirsir1 votesThe soul mechanic isn't the problem. And his soul mechanic isn't about killing things, its about landing his skills. Only champion deaths leave souls, otherwise its about landing Ws and Es, which often go hand in hand.
Honestly I've barely seen a swain do poorly, either in KDA or damage dealt. Yet I've barely seen him win a game.
I Main Swain1 votesthere are exactly 2 complaints that i have with the reworked kit. his souls should have more use than just being consumed by your ult even if just giving you a slight passive regeneration buff or something, and his ult cd should scale down to ~90 seconds
Urgot x BDSM1 votesEmm... he can basically make any cc much more scary with his passive - new mechanic Every time he collects a part of champion's soul he recalls something form their history/mind - awesome addition. "kill do more damage" is not the about collecting but spending souls, please l2read.