Assassins are too tanky for their mobility + damage.

GigglesO·Jul 10, 2019·27 votes·8,188 views

Don't get me wrong, its pretty impressive watching an assassin make a play.

Whats not impressive is watching a blue kayn get hit with zyra ulti, sion ulti, ashe ulti and still just walk away from it... Followed by instantly assassinating the adc...

When can we tone down damage in the game so that its enjoyable for players that aren't assassins or burst?

Honestly bring on the down voting. Sucks that you aren't allowed to play against such shit.

Wait.. this whole post is bs and people believing this is actually hilarious. Blue Kayne's not not going to get hit with all of those abilities and live. Dude is squishy af. LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFJLbhK1WLo&feature=youtu.be

42 Comments

YäätoJul 10, 201911 votes

Wait.. this whole post is bs and people believing this is actually hilarious. Blue Kayne's not not going to get hit with all of those abilities and live. Dude is squishy af. LOL.

LTK KoRoJul 10, 20194 votes

any assassin who's getting hit by Sion+Zyra ult is instadead, OP is just WAY too biased

GigglesOJul 10, 20195 votes

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Wait.. this whole post is bs and people believing this is actually hilarious. Blue Kayne's not not going to get hit with all of those abilities and live. Dude is squishy af. LOL.

Sion Q too friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFJLbhK1WLo&feature=youtu.be

YäätoJul 10, 20193 votes

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Sion Q too friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFJLbhK1WLo&feature=youtu.be

Looks like your team is severely behind. He's 2 levels up on your whole team. This happens with just about any champ that gets insanely ahead. Not a great example. Everyone gets blown up. Seems he also built a GA too, since the dmg seems slightly too low even though you're behind.

GigglesOJul 10, 20196 votes

Thats the thing, kayn just walks through the walls at super speed. Gets cc locked to just still dash kill someone. Its honestly too much.

Assassins either need reduced mobility, reduced damage, or reduced defense. Its too good across the board right now.

RalanrJul 10, 20194 votes

This reminds me of that video of Poppy running down Draven, the Poppy that was a level or two above Draven and had two armor items while Draven had no pen.

While I agree that level makes a difference, I'd love to see that full build because that Kayn did not look like he was building full AD.

Shieda KaynJul 11, 20191 votes

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Sion Q too friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFJLbhK1WLo&feature=youtu.be

Lmfao bruh he didn't die because 1) he built at least one health item, 2) is 2~3 levels ahead of you, 3) Zyra fled, Ashe stopwatched and Sion got hit by a bubble during half of the clip/duration of his cc so they couldn't attack him. THEN LeBlanc got Ashe really low so he could finish her off... Except he didn't LB did all of the work. You're dishonest as fuck

NeekðJul 10, 20197 votes

people believing this stuff is why assassins are never allowed to be good. First of all, kayn got hit by only cc, pretty much no damage spells or auto attacks used and he still almost died with like 2.4k hp. Second, "Followed by instantly assassinating the adc"... he literally didnt even touch ashe xd

NineTailedMysticJul 10, 20191 votes

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HopeStartsWithUJul 10, 20194 votes

No, he didn't even get an assist. LB did all the damage.

HopeStartsWithUJul 10, 201911 votes

So since the replay is very misleading and it really does look like Kayn is insanely tanky:

I looked at your opgg and saw that not only was that Kayn insanely fed compared to your entire team, your bot (Ashe in particular) was inting as hell which means they were too behind to burst ANYONE.

Kayn also build MAW and had cleaver too. So, on top of your mates/carries dealing 0 damage because they were pretty behind (from level too) Kayn also build against AP.

The Sion is full tank which means he won't be dealing much damage anyway, especially since a point blank ult won't be charged enough for full damage.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but Nami healed Kayn too (can't see it properly tbh).

And let's assume Ashe would be even with Kayn: She literally just ulted, used W, went into stopwatch because of LB and used one single AA, as a champ that mainly deals damage with her AAs.

As much as I want blue Kayn to be nerfed, this isn't a good example :/

BTW: Lb killed your ADC, not Kayn. He didn't even get an assist.

foristJul 10, 201911 votes

Ashe uses ult, w and doesn't even auto attack. Zyra misses her q and then ults, but only has one empowered plant in the ult and her plant focuses nami instead of kayn. Sion lands a total of two abilities and his aftershock aoe, so we'll give him credit for half of kayn's hp bar. the other 25% was because zyra's plant switched aggro back to kayn after nami backed up. Either way kayn went down to about 20% hp off of literally 2 sion abilities, 1 zyra plant and 2 ashe abilities and you think hes too tanky?

What a joke. xD

yıffJul 10, 20198 votes

nerf tank dmg sejuani and tahm and gragas doo too much damage for their tanky and mobility

heroikcJul 10, 20198 votes

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nerf tank dmg sejuani and tahm and gragas doo too much damage for their tanky and mobility

Except their kind of designed that way? It's also not like damage is not obscene in general, with most assassins somehow doubling as tankbusters in their own right.

huhndogJul 10, 20198 votes

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nerf tank dmg sejuani and tahm and gragas doo too much damage for their tanky and mobility

Unfortunately tanks are only good in this meta if they can deal damage. Tanks aren't in a good place rn either. A lot of tanks can't contribute anything because they get bursted down too fast defeating the purpose of being a tank.

There is already too much damage in the game especially in this assassin mid meta (zed and talon). An assassin is meant to be high risk high reward, but instead they are a safe pick because of their mobility and base tank stats.

Voluug13Jul 10, 20195 votes

Also Zed is a safe pick because of the fact that he gets long range waveclear on energy while having a passive that makes it almost impossible to lose cs last-hitting under his tower.

MalignMetalJul 10, 201911 votes

Its a shit spiral Riot has made as a band aid fix for Tank assasins.

Problem #1 Mobile high base damage assassins, building near full tank and still being lethal

Rito solution#1 Nerf tank items

Outcome: tanks being so Shit they buff thier Damage to ludicrous amounts to prop up their winrates. While the rest of the game turns into a shit fest burst fiesta for 2 years

GigglesOJul 10, 20193 votes

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Rito solution#1 Nerf tank items

Outcome: tanks being so Shit they buff thier Damage to ludicrous amounts to prop up their winrates.

They just kept doing this. This also lead the them reworking the mage items because they got left out of the rotational changes for so long.

Anime FizzJul 11, 20193 votes

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nerf tank dmg sejuani and tahm and gragas doo too much damage for their tanky and mobility

Boards logic only work for the classes they dont play.

Imagine thinking assassins are anywhere close to "OP" right now lmao.

TheSingularityJul 11, 20192 votes

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nerf tank dmg sejuani and tahm and gragas doo too much damage for their tanky and mobility

gragas isn't a tank and is generally built full AP. Sejuani gets her E dmg as it has a greater requirement than most. I agree that tahm is flat out r%%%%%ed in his damage output

FSRERJul 11, 20192 votes

Sejuani and Tahm, ok. But damn Gragas? Really? You can pick most champions at midlane and if you have more than 30 IQ, know when he will ult and try to not die by it.

AndevarJul 11, 20197 votes

Very poor argument imo. Any assassin player (including me) knows that if you get hit by 1 CC, any competent team shreds you.

Your team didn't even try to kill him and all the damage to the squishy was done by Leblanc, who is also an assassin and is squishy btw.

I still stand by my belief that assassins are the weakest class in the game. Often ult-reliant, squishy and very susceptible to CC. Their early game power and mobility is great, but wards and communication are simple counters to their ability to roam. They have an obvious fall-off point and are easy to counterbuild.

GlueSmellsGoodJul 10, 20196 votes

Kayn didn't even touch ashe. your q was interrupted, zyra hit her ultimate only, while her plants did pathetic damage because she's lvl 14 and kayn has a bit more health than base so he obviously built a health item, as well as being levels ahead

can't believe this post is getting upvotes

GigglesOJul 10, 20193 votes

watch that again he was clearly not touching the ground while nami ulti went through. Q didn't get canceled.

Sire HippingtonJul 11, 20191 votes

actually, the Q did connect, but since he's so behind and didn't channle for the full time, the damage was barly enough to get through the aery shield from nami.

PolarEclipseJul 11, 20196 votes

Bruh, what kind of fake news is this?

He got hit by zyra ult, nothing more from zyra, sion Q and sion ult (point blank), ashe R, nothing more. And you sit here and say he's tanky? Well if nobody deals any damage everyone is tanky.
He didn't even TOUCH Ashe? so how about you remove that from your text?

KazekibaJul 10, 20195 votes

Im not sure why Rhaast and Kayn don't have different base stats, but the fact that Pyke has/used to have stats parallel ALISTAR the literal 5th tankiest champion in the game is ridiculous. Of course he synergized well with Aftershock when he has 3 forms of on-demand CC and is among the five beefiest base stats in the game. At that point it doesn't matter he cant buy HP. I think even Master Yi has an insane HP/lvl stat resulting in one of the higher max HPs at level 18.

Make Kayn squishier as he levels up, while giving Rhaast - and ONLY Rhaast - higher MR, base AD growth, and HP/lvl.

Shieda KaynJul 10, 20195 votes

{quoted} Whats not impressive is watching a blue kayn get hit with zyra ulti, sion ulti, ashe ulti and still just walk away from it... Followed by instantly assassinating the adc...

You probably could've chosen a better example to illustrate what you're trying to say because this doesn't make your complaint look very legit. A hard cc'd blue kayn is a dead blue kayn.

RalanrJul 10, 20191 votes

Like, I could see Kayn avoiding it by luring Sion to dodge, but I really think this needs a replay.

S9 trashseasonJul 11, 20194 votes

awful lot of assassin abusers chiming in on this post to defend their ranks.[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Power CosmicJul 11, 20194 votes

Assassins are too safe and good in lane. They need to be risky picks for the game to start to get more fun again.

mack9112Jul 11, 20194 votes

dude the guy was 3 levels ahead of you and like an item and a half ahead.

shit post

AlienPrimateJul 11, 20194 votes

Good job not watching your own replay. He didn't even hit Ashe.

Sir SaltarinJul 10, 20192 votes

I agree with you OP, buff ADCs

Darkdemon653Jul 10, 20192 votes

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Whats not impressive is watching a blue kayn get hit with zyra ulti, sion ulti, ashe ulti and still just walk away from it...

All three of those are CC ultimates, not damage ultimates (though I suppose Sion's does a bit if he can charge it).

The thigh guyJul 11, 20192 votes

It’s because all the items assassins build have random ass defensive utility just tacked into them for no reason. :/

Suh ShiJul 10, 20191 votes

What about shaco, When viktor is 0-4. and i am 17-0, viktor E deals half my health. Don't group bad assassins in with the good ones.

GigglesOJul 10, 20191 votes

added video [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

InfernapeJul 10, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=Suh Shi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0EU5WjGA,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-10T20:13:03.251+0000)

What about shaco, When viktor is 0-4. and i am 17-0, viktor E deals half my health. Don't group bad assassins in with the good ones.

Did you buy MR? Viktor is a late game scaling mage.

GodlyBaneJul 11, 20191 votes

That kayn probably had an obscene amount of health items (black cleaver and edge of night) along with some magic resist from maw to help him tank zyra. We can also assume kayn camped bot lane, thus making their damage look very miniscule to what it would normally be. Yall some dense A-holes on the boards

Sire HippingtonJul 11, 20191 votes

Sure he walks away, non of those thigns does alot damage on it's own Zyras ult is mostly for empowering her plants while keeping enemies in plant-range with the knockup, just that zyra in this case had only 1 plant that hit someone else. Ashes ult is for the stun, the damage isn't that high. and other than that, she only hit 1 W and a single AA Sions ult point blank doesn't do much damage either, his W got destroyed befor poppoing, and the Q without AD while beeing behind in lvl isn't that impressive in the lategame, especially if not fully channled.

On top of that, he got a heal+aery shield from nami while beeing 2 lvls up on sion and ashe and 3 lvl on zyra, which probably also means that he had alot more gold than them aswell. we also don't see his items, might have BC and Maw for all we know...