I am not saying he is bad or major underpowered because he can get kills.
All i am saying is that it feels like it takes much MUCH more effort for Varus to kill a target that it does for any other Marksman besides Koggles.
His passive is probably a huge offender here though as its not really that great in any situation unless he was already winning the fight to begin with.
Obungo 2 voteskog maw sucks ass
ValyrianBlade2 votesVarus has what is probably the most reliable and most long ranged poke in the game.
He pays for it dearly.
He's not weak though. Just different. 1625 range and 1850 speed, I doubt there are many spells that can rival either stat - then it passes through targets on top of that.
He's sitting 8th highest ADC win rate, ahead of the likes of Lucian, Tristana, Vayne, Caitlyn, Kalista, Draven, Sivir, and Ezreal.
PowderToast1 votesEzreal's ulty I feel a bit more reliable ... maybe not, I do not really use Ez so not sure.
ValyrianBlade1 votesWell that's an ult versus a normal ability.
Although I'd still argue Varus' is more reliable when within range. I find it pretty easy to dodge an ezreal ult if I absolutely have to because you know which way it's going. Unless I'm missing something, Varus can change the direction he shoots his Q the whole time he's charging it. So if you try to move to dodge it, he just aims it towards where you move.
PowderToast1 votesyeah but ez ulty used to farm and push lanes while still being in dif lanes etc ....that os what I mean. Varus ult is an engage and kill order.
Starkiller X511 votesprobably cause hes not really an adc at all, hes basically just another jayce, you get manamune cdr and armor pen, use your ult to halt engages and rape their anuses with q's until they submit,you kill them, or your team finishes them off/engages, unless your a varus main that knows him in and out you may as well consider him a mid champ and build him accordingly cause hes not good at filling the dps role compared to basically any other adc.
HandheldBrandon1 votes[{quoted}](name=Starkiller X51,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=06TlVOuf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-01-08T04:50:28.323+0000)
probably cause hes not really an adc at all, hes basically just another jayce, you get manamune cdr and armor pen, use your ult to halt engages and rape their anuses with q's until they submit,you kill them, or your team finishes them off/engages, unless your a varus main that knows him in and out you may as well consider him a mid champ and build him accordingly cause hes not good at filling the dps role compared to basically any other adc.
I disagree Jayce is all about his Bursty poke.
Varus requires 3 stacks of his Blight and then a fully charged Q to even come close to anything like that and even then he will still be shy of the damage.
Starkiller X511 votesI disagree Jayce is all about his Bursty poke.
Varus requires 3 stacks of his Blight and then a fully charged Q to even come close to anything like that and even then he will still be shy of the damage.
i never said he was exactly the same as jayce i said hes basically another jayce, as in another ad caster with strong poke and seige potential.
and varus can put out shitloads of poke damage regardless of his w stacks, plus count in the fact that with max cdr he can get about 2/3 arrows to every 1 powered jayce blast(since you have to wait on the gate cd for the real damage on his), plus varus q doesnt stop on first enemy hit so you can wipe out a minion wave with one arrow and still chunk a champs health too.
and that the damage difference is also made up for with his previously mentioned insane wave clear and great engage and self peel with his ult and the slow/healing reduction on e
HandheldBrandon2 votesYou are only ever going to clear a full wave with a fully charged Q.
Not too mention that a single Jayce Q equals 2-3 fully charged Varus arrows so it evens out with Jayce winning that battle on his scaling alone not too mention how fast it is and its incredibly high base damage.
EDIT: forgot to mention that with acceleration gate Jayce's Q gets a 40 percent damage boost.
PowderToast1 votes[{quoted}](name=Starkiller X51,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=06TlVOuf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-01-08T04:50:28.323+0000)
probably cause hes not really an adc at all, hes basically just another jayce, you get manamune cdr and armor pen, use your ult to halt engages and rape their anuses with q's until they submit,you kill them, or your team finishes them off/engages, unless your a varus main that knows him in and out you may as well consider him a mid champ and build him accordingly cause hes not good at filling the dps role compared to basically any other adc.
I am Varus main and I approve of this. He is my ADC of choice because I learned how to use him. I also take him mid in normals and team builders now and again to practice if it is an option. Fun story the other day had a Varus mid, I was already trist adc and we had a quinn top lane , I asked and helped the Varus go AP Varus and we dominated. He fell in love with an entirely underrated side of my favorite champ, his blighted arrows when built into an AP build can really shred ... but I am going to stop comenting on this subject in fear of Riot and their Nerf Bat. Because right now, Varus is imho viable on the edge of becoming Karma or Sion for me ... and I already bought both of them and all their skins, when along came riot with their "reworks" ... have not touched either of them since. 
Hayaishi21 votesThing with Varus is.
His passive is bad, downright the worse passive in the game. His Q is his best ability His W isn't bad but he gives up an entire ability slot for an ability that it's useless on it's own. His E is complete and utter trash, low damage, low utility, high cooldowns and even the GW part of it was nerfed. His R is strong, no complaints here.
i speak from experience, i prob have more Varus games than anyone in this forum. So basically only 2 parts of his kit are strong, everything else is lackluster and no matter how much Riot buffs his Q, unless i can 2 shot squishies with Piercing Arrow like Xerath does with ArcanoPulse he isn't going be rewarding to play.
If he's meant to be an AD caster and not an AD carry then remove his useless passive and give him a better W, suited to his playstyle.
He's a flawed as a champion altogether. It's OK though Riot will keep reworking MF (who has gotten 2 fucking updates)
Olath Quortek2 votesWhat is your main account? O.o
PowderToast1 votesThing with Varus is.
His passive is bad, downright the worse passive in the game. His Q is his best ability His W isn't bad but he gives up an entire ability slot for an ability that it's useless on it's own. His E is complete and utter trash, low damage, low utility, high cooldowns and even the GW part of it was nerfed. His R is strong, no complaints here.
i speak from experience, i prob have more Varus games than anyone in this forum. So basically only 2 parts of his kit are strong, everything else is lackluster and no matter how much Riot buffs his Q, unless i can 2 shot squishies with Piercing Arrow like Xerath does with ArcanoPulse he isn't going be rewarding to play.
If he's meant to be an AD caster and not an AD carry then remove his useless passive and give him a better W, suited to his playstyle.
Uh, I beg to differ you sick sad troll of a level 7.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Hayaishi2
vs
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=PowderToast
granted, I am still not at my 1,000 plus games with Varus goal for the season I do main him as my ADC of choice.
His passive is awesome if you understand his kit.
His passive alone can allow him to take towers faster than a lot of adc out there. It also helps him proc his blighted arrows faster which brings me to the next part ...
his blighted arrows are awesome. He can stack 3x onto up to three enemies at once when using Rabadons Hurricaine.
I love when I am vs tanky supports why?
Dmg based on health ... magic damage at that.
I could go on but you are only level 7 and a braggart know it all who actually seems to know very little about my favorite champion in this game.
Hayaishi21 votesUh, I beg to differ you sick sad troll of a level 7.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Hayaishi2
vs
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=PowderToast
granted, I am still not at my 1,000 plus games with Varus goal for the season I do main him as my ADC of choice.
His passive is awesome if you understand his kit.
His passive alone can allow him to take towers faster than a lot of adc out there. It also helps him proc his blighted arrows faster which brings me to the next part ...
his blighted arrows are awesome. He can stack 3x onto up to three enemies at once when using Rabadons Hurricaine.
I love when I am vs tanky supports why?
Dmg based on health ... magic damage at that.
I could go on but you are only level 7 and a braggart know it all who actually seems to know very little about my favorite champion in this game.
My main account is Hayaishi and it's on LAN and it only shows the games i had last season with him since i spent 2 seasons on NA. You'd probably assume my level 7 account is not my main if you had a brain.
A 40% AS boost on a 6 second duration upon kill or assists is NOT good, it simply isn't.
His W does a lot of damage, that doesn't make it a good ability, giving up an entire ability slot for an ability that it's useless on it's own isn't good.
I could go on, but it's clear who really knows stuff about Varus.
PowderToast1 votesSure .... how convient for you. That this is not your "main" account.
How about you log into your "main" account and prove this then?
Oh, you expected me to just believe you were breaking the terms and conditions Riot set up which do not allow you to make a second account?
Well, either way I know you are not being honest.
Hayaishi21 votesSure .... how convient for you. That this is not your "main" account.
How about you log into your "main" account and prove this then?
Oh, you expected me to just believe you were breaking the terms and conditions Riot set up which do not allow you to make a second account?
Well, either way I know you are not being honest.
Whatever, i don't need to prove myself. My main account is on LAN because the ping used to be impossible for the east coast in NA and i just haven't transferred back.
Not sure how this account not being my main is convenient for me or whatever is it you're trying to imply, you can believe whatever you want, it doesn't matter to me.
PowderToast1 votesyou obviously do "need to prove yourself" as it was your own words which claimed to have more experience than anyone else in this thread.
And, like I said .... it is convienet because I believe you are not being honest about your "main" account.
And finally, I say once again it is against the Riot rules to make a second account, while I respect they do not police it even when it is openly admitted in their forums alone . It's borderline impossible to really be able to prove that a person is "smurfing" even you ...
TL; DR I think you are full of crap and I suspect you of trolling.
Varus passive is fine, his blight arrows fantastic, and over all as stated below ... his win rate higher than even Draven.
Hayaishi21 votesyou obviously do "need to prove yourself" as it was your own words which claimed to have more experience than anyone else in this thread.
And, like I said .... it is convienet because I believe you are not being honest about your "main" account.
And finally, I say once again it is against the Riot rules to make a second account, while I respect they do not police it even when it is openly admitted in their forums alone . It's borderline impossible to really be able to prove that a person is "smurfing" even you ...
TL; DR I think you are full of crap and I suspect you of trolling.
Varus passive is fine, his blight arrows fantastic, and over all as stated below ... his win rate higher than even Draven.
lmao, i suppose it must hurt realizing you're not as good as you think you are with your main.
PowderToast1 votescare to explain?
I have possative K/D/A with him, the most games played with him, an average of I think 190 something CS a game ...
Granted I am only bronze ...maybe when you get up to level 30 I might be able to respect you attempting to call me out for something as trivial as not being as good as the "Hayaishi" which you are so obsessed with you copy their name and put a number 2 next to it ...
how about you log into your "main" now before I die of laughter that you keep attempting to insult me when you are only level 7 with ZERO games as Varus.
Hayaishi21 votescare to explain?
I have possative K/D/A with him, the most games played with him, an average of I think 190 something CS a game ...
Granted I am only bronze ...maybe when you get up to level 30 I might be able to respect you attempting to call me out for something as trivial as not being as good as the "Hayaishi" which you are so obsessed with you copy their name and put a number 2 next to it ...
how about you log into your "main" now before I die of laughter that you keep attempting to insult me when you are only level 7 with ZERO games as Varus.
https://gyazo.com/463291a429a607456d4e7b34dc5eb86c
That should probably be enough.
the account is on LAN, can't log in.
Sneakyy XD1 votesI am not saying he is bad or major underpowered
Nah, he is.
HandheldBrandon1 votesNah, he is.
He can still do really well and has some scary moments but hes just not as upfront about it as someone like Lucian for example.
Weathered1 votesWhy is this being downvoted? It's just the persons opinion and a suggestion that Varus might be underpowered. I don't agree with it, but it doesn't warrant this many downvotes :/
HandheldBrandon1 votesEh people don't like it when someone elses opinion is different than theirs.
It doesn't bother me but i do feel like Varus could be better overall.
The biggest improvement in my eyes would be ditching his current passive or changing it.