Nerf Gangplank

okamiyasha95··3 votes·1,882 views

Nerf his Q cooldown or decrease his armor. After the nerf to klepto he just goes undying and then becomes an off tank/bruiser. Even if you pick vlad, his q outdamages the sustain and it comes up quicker than his q. So to have him Q'ing every 2 seconds is too much. If you're letting him have the same amount of damage output to compensate for his skill cap, you need to decrease his armor to compensate for his playstyle and versality. He deals true damage while getting a movement speed buff. He is strong enough to two-shot any adc and in a ranged matchup, all he does is uses his barrels which COST NO MANA. If you do manage to somehow get on top of him, he is even more difficult to kill as he just heals himself, remove buffs, and slows you while outrunning you. While you manage to get away with all your abilities on cd, he can just q you to death which makes fighting him an either: You know you can kill him, or don't even bother. He needs to be more squishier to make laning more balanced to the champions that are supposed to do well against him. Nerfing his q will force players to play him safer, but that's still better than losing 10 percent of your health every 2 seconds while not being to do anything about it. At least with a higher cd, I can sustain better.

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Shiznyte4 votes

PLEASE change GP's interaction with urgot ult... As it stand GP can eat his orange mid ult animation and break out... I don't have a problem with him beating the execution portion with a heal out play... but currently you cannot ult GP as urgot. QSS has a 90 second timer and costs 1300 gold... GP orange costs some mana and has a 20 sec cd... This is extremely unfair to urgot, the ult says its unstoppable lol

Hammermancer4 votes

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PLEASE change GP's interaction with urgot ult... As it stand GP can eat his orange mid ult animation and break out... I don't have a problem with him beating the execution portion with a heal out play... but currently you cannot ult GP as urgot. QSS has a 90 second timer and costs 1300 gold... GP orange costs some mana and has a 20 sec cd... This is extremely unfair to urgot, the ult says its unstoppable lol

no

Shiznyte1 votes

lol okay then. We will see what others think.

Hammermancer2 votes

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lol okay then. We will see what others think.

Since urgot's ult is kinda bullshit and his entire kit is gimmicky and boring

gp takes skill and mastery, he's squishy, more or less immobile, and mostly melee

sounds like a shitty champ without a cleanse in his kit

nelogis1 votes

he is not asking to remove the cleanse he is asking to make it so he can't cleanse Urgot ult

Which I think is a stupid interaction too

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

How? Urgot's 2nd cast is a Suppression, and GP can cleanse it off with his W like Malzahar's ult. There's nothing wrong with it. Even Alistar can also break out of Urgot's 2nd cast ult.

nelogis1 votes

yeah it is working as intented but it is still a stupid interaction.

The whole concept of Urgots ult is that as soon as you get pulled in you shouldn't be able to escape other than killing Urgot. GP just oranging it looks... stupid

Shiznyte1 votes

Explain to me how eating a few oranges would save you from getting drills impaled into you and dragging you into a meat grinder haha. The interaction is silly... I get that it is a surpress and GP's removes all CC in the game... but when you really think about it, its a bit silly. compare QSS to GP's remove scurvy...

QSS- 90 second cd, 1300 gold, costs and inventory spot.... thats extremely costly to purchase if you need it, but it's an option so its nice. (you could have the rune (ing hunter) that allows activated items to have a shorter cd to be around 55 seconds.

Remove Scurvey- costs 80-120 mana depending on rank. 22- 14 second CD depending on rank (CDR not included so it can be lower) this move also heals...

This champion has a basic skill that is QSS (plus heal) on a 20 second CD and its a bit silly from time to time.

think about this from the perspective of urgot... i know thats a bit crazy to say because all the GP defenders only want to see GP do well... but really think about this in terms of Urgots side because hes the one gettin screwed over here... his ult is 120-70 sec no CDR included and it can almost never be used vs a good GP because they know to hold their heal. I'm not asking for GP to not have the skill... I'm asking for it to not completely screw over specific champions ults, It doesn't seem fair to the other champions.

No basic skill should Negate a champions ult... I would be okay if it was an ult for ult trade... or a well timed spell shield that needs to be premeditated, but GP can press it anytime and out play multiple champions ults. That does not seem right... put yourself in the perspective of the champions who are getting the short end of the stick, instead of GP's perspective.

(i didn't include yasuo or braum because the person has to shoot into the skill shot into the wall and you could just move around the wall, but this is also an example of a basic skill negating ults that people have complained about, but I see more counter play to these skills than GP's orange)

nelogis3 votes

GP having oranges isn't a problem, he needs it to survive if you remove it you need to give him a nutjob spell that keeps him alive through cc.

There are more than GP's oranges that completely shut down some champs ult. Most of them need to be well timed yes but in the end they do the same, actually the ones needing to be well timed do it better than GP oranges.

Noc spellshielding an Urgot ult doesn't only fully (not even the slow is there) ignore it but also buffs him. Sivir gets mana Fizz gets to do damage on you propably.

The reason why GP oranges feel very unfair to Urgot players is that Urgot ult doesn't deal initial damage. If a Lissandra ults GP then he can cleanse it yes but the full ult damage has been applied.

Whereas Urgot ult just feels like "poof" gone. Thats why I think it's a stupid interaction but at the same time this can be considered a hardcounter matchup and those exist since the beginning of League.

I play Urgot and Gangplank I know both sides of the story but removing GP's oranges or nerfing them to the ground isn't the play here because then you need to compensate him elsewhere.... and GP does 2 thing... be slippery and do damage... you nerf slippery you buff damage.

And trust me... you don't want more damage on GP.

I'm all for it to remove the interaction but that would also add inconsistency in the game... maybe make Urgot ult a new cc. Orange-proof surpression or something like that I don't know

Shiznyte1 votes

I would be okay with his ult being a new CC. That would be good for him, but still leaves the issue of the other champions it outplays like Malz. But at least malz still does Damage if you QSS/Orange him just the CC goes away... urgot just gets shafted.

Spell shield to me feels harder to use than Orange. You need to premeditate a spell shield and it could potentially eat the wrong spell or CC. GP orange gets rid of everything on him and does not need to be premeditated but instead it is just reaction based... oh im in trouble... well now im not cuz im GP!

nelogis3 votes

i would rather change Urgot R cc than remove GPs ability to cleanse cc.... like said... you need a nutjob spell to keep him alive through cc and let him do damage and let him hit barrels reliably again after removing that. Because the current W is doing exactly that. It lets him work in a teamfight to reliably dish out damage.

You would need something like this:

Passive: GP gains a shield for every barrel he lets explode Active: If GP has above XY shield he can activate it double his current shield and get into a battle frienzy in which he becomes faster and has highly increased tenacity

This could maybe replace the cc removal, but imagine if GP gets ahead.... good luck killing that raidboss, splitpusher and teamfighter. The current W is fine, trust me you are overestimating the spell.

And cleansing mal ult doesnt free you from the damage part, you still need to run away. Thats why Riot changed it to this because QSS literally made him useless.

Cleansing Urgot ult just completely gets rid of his whole ult basically makes it a 4 second slow with 100 damage.

Shiznyte1 votes

Yeah I don't think GP removing CC is busted... its the particular interaction with specific ults that is busted!

nelogis1 votes

Which can be seen as a counter, no?

When playing against Yi / Mordekaiser that cc removal is basically a shitty heal so Yi / Mordekaiser would be a counter to GP whereas stuff like Lissandra or Cassio would get countered by GP (only from a cc removal standpoint seen).

I think this can be seen as a healthy implementation in League. Especially since GP is more of a top laner now and top laners generally don't have cleansable ults. Aatrox Akali Darius Camille Chogath DrMundo Illaoi Fiora Irelia Jax Kled Jayce Mordekaiser Nasus Renekton Rengar Nautilus Malphite Pantheon Quinn Poppy Sion Tryndamere Trundle Vladimir MonkeyKing XinZhao Yasuo Yorick TahmKench Riven Olaf

It's basically just Urgot that pulled the short straw there.

Edit: Actually Yas ult can be cleansed my bad but the damage still goes through which is the important part of the ult.

Shiznyte1 votes

Counters are a thing I agree... but based on the current treatment of urgot (not being allowed to use certain core items efficiently or at all really like item 3053 item 3022 because he is ranged this is not as good on him anymore item 3742 ) He is getting the short end of the stick on itemization and ult interactions...

Shiznyte1 votes

I didn't say we had to remove his cleanse... I asked for specific interations (only the ones vs champion ults) to be adjusted... the skill is fine, but some of the interactions are the problem. I hope I made this clear this time around.

Colton1472 votes

Gangplank is trash tier now after his barrel nerf. He's pretty much an auto-loss currently.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

You basically provide 0 impact about any balances ever, thanks to your spammed threads.

Purgë1 votes

the most retarded thing about gp now is that he stand in melle form with u trade autos and still wins for somereason

nelogis2 votes

no he doesn't

and if he does then show me a clip of it happening

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