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Starters Discussion (Who Do You Start Week 4?)

Nural··7 votes·5,988 views

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Hi there!

Ok, so the purpose of this forum is exactly what the title describes, to help people set up their best line up possible heading into the next week of games. We've all experienced a moment where we are choosing between two players, not sure which one will have the better turn-out with regards to their current match-ups, their record, if their on a losing streak, new subs of the team, etc. This can now become a place where the fantasy community can help each other out with their rosters so that they are receiving their full potential each and every week. This can also be a place to discuss possible Add/Drop possibilites. Anyway, everyone can understand the purpose behind this forum now.

Just simply post a question about who you are deciding between, along with your reasonings behind why you should and shouldn't start them. Then hopefully a fellow fantasy community member will be able to respond and help you make your decision. Anyone can help out! Multiple opinions and beliefs are better than just one! Remember, Strength in numbers.

Disclaimer: Human beings cannot foresee the future, everything posted on here are just calculated predictions.

Hopefully this now provides a means for all of us as a community to help each other in achieving the glorious 1st place spot in your respected leagues, along with the entitled sensation of "Bragging Rights." Best of luck to all of you! #LCS #Fantasy #DecisionsAreHard

Nural

                                                                                            **Week 3 Analysis **

We'll start with EU:

Three things:

  1. "Oh how the mighty have... fallen?" Two teams entered week 3 undefeated, and only one came out. SK now stands alone as the only undefeated team in the LCS, where as FNC has now fallen to 5-1. However... FNC was STILL able to pull out a 3rd consecutive week of 50+ point showings from each of their players. Why is this important? Because Even when FNC had a 1-1 week, They STILL raked in a ton of points!!! This should speak wonders to fantasy owners about that team. Their play style is just every fantasy owners dream, they never, EVER, stop being aggressive. So although SK is the team to beat in the LCS, *FNC is still the team to beat in Fantasy. *

  2. I would classify the entire UOL's roster as sleepers heading into Week 4. They already have shown some of their potential in these 6 games thus far. DO NOT LET THEIR RECORD FOOL YOU. Across the board, UOL's entire roster is Top 5 in average points per game in each of their respected positions, (Minus POE, but he is absolutely insane. He is has soo much potential and is one of the stronger mid laners in EU). Vizicsacsi is ranked 4th overall in average points in the top lane position, Kikis is ranked 4th in Jung (Right along side shook), Vardags is ranked 3rd in adc (Practically tied with REKKLES), and Hysslaing is ranked 5th in supp. UOL has a relatively easy schedule this week and are primed to do well week 4.

  3. This is more of a general note, but EU is kicking NA's a$$ in regards to fantasy points. Across the board. If you look at the stats tab in fantasy, you will see (except for a few exceptions such as Zion, Byrgesen, and Link, etc.) that the Top scorers in each of the respected positions are filled by players in EU in average points per game. Dont know if its attributed to NA's more passive/ strategic strategies, but EU is whats raking in the points right now after 3 weeks. (This is not to say to jump off the NA fantasy band wagon, just a mere observation).

Now, for NA.

Three things:

  1. It took them three weeks, **but signs are pointing towards C9 finally finding their groove. ** Their coming off a 2-0 week and are about to head into a relatively easy week 4. (DIG and WFX). So I will classify C9's squad as sleepers for week 4 (Never would I have thought I would use "C9" and "sleepers" in the same sentance...). But expect them to carry their performance over into week 4. The only thing I caution about their team, particularly Hai, is that their game style was extremely passive, but effective. That may change due to facing weaker teams, which may result in sloppy gameplay, but we'll see!

  2. Team Liquid, unfortunately, is no longer the Team Liquid we saw in week 1. Back in week 1, when they had KEITHMCBRIEF , they absolutely were in full control in both the LCS and Fantasy, and even beat CLG! (Granted Zion wasnt there). But ever since they added piglet, their record has been 1-3. Im not saying this is all attributed to piglets gameplay (We all know he is one of the best ADC there is), but it altered their entire team dynamic. Whether this is a communication issue, a confidence issue, (or both), they just arent the dominant force we all saw back a couple weeks ago. Will they pick it up? Likely. How soon? Dunno... ALthough they went 1-1 this weekend, they played a very conservative game against coast, and lost to a struggling DIG, resulting in minimal points. Just be wary about TL heading into week 4.

  3. TSM vs. CLG We all wanted it to happen. Both 5-1. Week 4 will finally put and end to the TSM vs CLG debate. I have NO clue who is going to win it. Ever since CLG has added Zion to the roster, they went 4-0 and continue to look hot. But Bjrgesen has been UNSTOPPABLE. TSM just look like they outclass every opponent thus far. But yet, so has Link and CLG. ITS going to be one hell of a game. But do not be discouraged to bench either a CLG or a TSM player this week because of this. They are the star players right now, so why bench star players because they face another star player? Keep your powerhouses in.

128 Comments

Heenan5 votes

You both have touched on it but I will summarize for lazy readers like myself:

1 - Pick EU teams/players. 2 - Fnatic, Elements, & SK should have an easy week. 3 - Never underestimate UOL. 4 - Be careful...TSM is up against CLG this week.

Phantasies3 votes

I agree with most of what you had to say in the post, EULCS:

  1. I would also like to point out that the Fantasy power houses in EU (ie Fnatic, SK and Elements) will be raking in the points with this being what I would call an easy week as they are up against either MYM or Giants. Giants haven't showed up yet this season and MYM are having so much controversy that they may see their dream of being in the EULCS destroyed unless they can fix their in house issues. In my opinion all of these players are super safe picks for high points.
  2. Another team to look at this week would be UOL (another point well made) they are up against Team Roccat and MYM (previous point still valid) and don't let the scores fool you this team is rated higher in my opinion due to their IEM appearance which saw them beat TSM 2-0. They are also the only team to knock Fnatic off their winning streak I would put them in as definite sleepers and believe that they will smash this week in points. They have also been extremely consistent in their scoring of Fantasy points even though Hylissang is only rated at 22 (would like to point out the same holds true of Lustboy in predicted points) NALCS:
  3. I'm extremely disappointed in this scene overall as they have moved into a Passive low points scoring meta which is not what you want at all. Piglet has probably been the biggest let down in the entire LCS side by side with Xspecial. These 2 players with so much potential just haven't been able to find their groove with each other and have been costing Team Liquid some pretty easy wins. I think they hype that was generated in the off season was too much and with Visa issues and piglet not being able to train with the team prior to the LCS it has cost their team more than they realise. In saying that I think that approximately, week 5 we will see a piglet making more of an impact.
  4. CLG and TSM!! Both teams have been amazing this season seeing the best start for CLG and probably their strongest team since season 2, with Zion up on the top lane and Link in Mid and Aphro-lift in bot lane this team seems set for the #1 spot this series, the question is how do they match up against their shared place holder TSM. TSM have been a dominant force in seasons 3, 4 and now 5 good luck to CLG because if there was one match to win this series make it this one. Untouched points: Cris from Team coast seems like a good pick for top if you are struggling with the remaining players in your league he is a reliable point scorer and even though Coast has lost a majority of it's matches he is still able to put big points on the board.

Sleepers for week 4: UOL, TiP, Team Roccat (Even though I predict UOL to win the match against them they are also up against H2K who haven't really shown up this season

MasterSeth20252 votes

I loved this article, just one thing. It's Bjergsen with a j, not a y :P

Nural3 votes

...MISTAKES WERE MADE!

I never said I was a good speller :P

Phantasies2 votes

Ok now for some advice... I have Reignover and FORG1VEN as main starters in the position of ADC and Jungle. I am in a spot where I can't decide whether I should put Shook in as a Flex pick (has been very good with points after the week 1 disaster) or to put in Vardags (UOL ADC who I also think is going to have a huge week this week...) Anyone have any advice? I have lost all 3 weeks due to week 1 faith in C9 (Complete let down and super sad face) and week 2 and 3 also massive let downs with Team Liquid under performing... :( I picked up Quas in week 1 and I thought to myself this is going to be a massive season for them sigh... #BRINGBACKKEITH

Nural2 votes

I went to check the average points per game for the two of them, and they average practically the same amount of points per game. Honestly this decision is neck and neck. You cant go wrong, because they both should do very well.

As stated above, UOL is primed to have a very good week this week. However, EL is picking up steam and has the easier week ahead of them. Also they face GMB, in which GMB games either to two types of games,

  1. A lopsided game in favor of their opponent
  2. A long, sloppy, bloodbathy game that results in tons of kills.

Either one of these scenarios favors elements. Between the two, I say put shook in the flex.

Hope this helps! Best of luck!

Phantasies1 votes

Yeah I was thinking along the same lines although there is one thing I considered... Being EU which is known for it's insane upsets I wouldn't be surprised if Gambit beat Elements. I think Gambit have a lot of potential even though they are 1 - 5 and coming off that win this could be their big week where they surprise everyone...

Nural3 votes

Even if the upset happens, EL is not a team who is going to roll over and die. They will make them fight until the bitter end, which spells out points for you ;D

7p1rZPnnxO2 votes

http://prntscr.com/64bq8c wow 4 points from rekkles! .20 points from nyph! 3 points from wickd, very dissapointed in Elements game. I definitely lost this week lol

Nural1 votes

I dont know what to tell ya... granted EL does have a game left, but that last one was extremely pitiful.

7p1rZPnnxO1 votes

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I dont know what to tell ya... granted EL does have a game left, but that last one was extremely pitiful.

http://prntscr.com/64cr6m

He only played his team and already has more points than me! Haha i think its not going to be a good week for me unless. somehow someone on their team fails as well! Other than that thinks are looking pretty grim, but ill be glad to update when week 4 is over and show you how it went :D!

Edit: PUT IN WICKD HE SAID! I WONT MAKE THAT MISTAKE OF NOT TELLING YOU TO PUT HIM IN AGAIN HE SAID! Im jking haha it looked like a pretty safe pick but with league you just never know haha

Nural1 votes

FORGIVE ME! I KNOW NOT WHAT I DO!!! XD

Expect EL to seek revenge tomorrow for that happened today.

7p1rZPnnxO1 votes

http://prntscr.com/64dozy You already made up for it by making me put in fox! He did really good on that leblanc 10/0 with a triple! Thanks haha i think i might have a chance lets see!

Phantasies1 votes

Fox/Forgiven and the SK team are carrying me at the moment, I have Wickd and Shook and I hope they can put some points up tomorrow against Gambit because I will lose if they don't... SK have won the harder of their 2 matches in my opinion as their next victims are MYM... poor sods...

Furnace Of Souls1 votes

Well eu is quite upsetting right now. I wouldn't be surprised if mym won that lol

Start Prayin1 votes

should i put up zion or altec this week as my flex pick? (other option would be hai/helios)

Nural2 votes

Im just curious, who is your top laner if you got Zion on the bench?

Well whatever the case may be, I actually believe Zion is they way to go here. While I believe C9 will do well this week, Hai right now is their weakest player. He knows what he has to do to be successful (Which is play EXTREMELY conservatively), which doesn't result in a ton of points. WFX is struggling right now and are underperforming in my opinion. They have so much potential but are just not executing at the moment. Ever since Zion has joined CLG, they have gone 4-0. He has done wonders for the team, and expect him to be a huge performer this weekend.

Hope this helped! May the odds be ever in your favor...

Furnace Of Souls1 votes

hey....i know i already asked for a ton of advice so far but vardags is a free agent in my league. should i pick him up and put him in the flex position over nukeduck?

Nural2 votes

Absolutely. Vardags is playing really well this split. He is averaging more points per game than Forgivne and almost as much as rekkles. Vardags is averaging 23.5 points per game, where as nukeduck is averaging about 21. While the difference is slight, every point matters in this league. Even though they both have easy schedules this week, I believe that UOL is the better team and that they should perform well this week!

Hope this helps, best of luck!

TheOGShadow1 votes

My team for this week

  • Huni Shook Fox Steelback Nyph Woolite or PowerOfEvil? Elements, C9, UOL, Roccat or TIP ?
Nural3 votes

For your flex, I will say go ahead and put in POE in your flex this week. The major reason being is that POE has consistently been scoring 40 point weeks, and this is with all of them being 1-1 weeks. They face a struggling, drama-filled MYM at the moment and should be a stomp in my opinion. I have a feeling that this is going to be UOL week. Im not totally convinced on ROC at the moment. (But this is just me).

For your team, Elements is the way to go. Elements is one of the top tier teams in EU right now and have a very easy schedule for week 4. They are on fire at the moment, and that should carry over into this next week of games.

Hope this helps! Best of Luck!!

Biginla121 votes

My team: Dyrus Jankos Link Rekkles Aphromoo Vardags SK I am wondering if I should put in IWDOMINATE and replace Jankos in the jungle. Jankos has been very consistent each week and both DOMINATE and Liquid have been struggling but this week they have very easy matchups. (Gravity+Team 8)

Lemwell1 votes

T8 and Gravity are not easy matchups. Gravity is about equal, but T8 is actually a beautiful team. They can make some mistakes yes but truly their overall play is beautiful. IMO T8 will beat TL. I'm pretty confident. While Jankos isn't a great pick, if you don't have access to Svenskeren, Reignover, Shook, Meteos, or Kikis than take Jankos, because these are great junglers especially for this week (not I didn't include Santorin or Xmithie because clg vs Tsm means lower points for both of them [also Xmithie isn't good anyways]). If you have questions just ask.

Raise The Gnar1 votes

Xmithie is a great jungler, idk what crack you've been smoking. Even LMQ respected Xmithie as a jungler, because of his amazing ability to steal dragons and barons, and back as Vulcun Xmithie was the 2nd best jungler right after Meteos. The only thing that threw XDG of was that they made a stupid move to switch Xmithie and Zuna which screwed up their synergy. Also they changed their name to XDG. XP Just because his team didn't look good doesn't mean that he isn't good. The same could be said for Team Liquid, they've been playing bad but you still wouldn't call their players bad individually.

Lemwell1 votes

As I think more about I've come to realize you are right. TBH Xmithie did disappoint me in the first week, but reflecting back on his games, he is not as bad as I may have said. I will say IMO he is worst on CLG but I mean it's CLG which IMO is tied for best team NA (don't make me decide between them and TSM)

Zheat1 votes

Should I give Piglet a chance to shine in easier matches for flex position or should I rather drop him and get Wildturtle despite his match with CLG? (My main adc atm is Rekkles) Other option could be svenskeren who is on my bench

Nural2 votes

This one is hard.

Even though Piglet has had a very, very rough start to the split, I truly believe he will be an impact player in the long run.

But TSM at the moment is on fire, with their bot lane being one of their bright spots at the moment. It really hurts to say it, but I would say swap piglet for turtle. Turtle is doing to well right now to not have him be running. Piglet is just underperforming at the moment, (Which is a huge disappointment. He just doesn't look comfortable right now). Even though TSM faces clg, turtle is worth running. But piglet has not offered much of an argument as to why one should start him.

Hope this helps. Best of Luck!!

SrokKhmer1 votes

I don't know who I want to put for ADC. It's between Altec and Cop. I might be able to drop either one of them to pick up CoreJJ.

Altec est. pt: 31 match: TIP and C9 Cop est. pt: 41 match TSM and TL CoreJJ est. pt: 32 match: C9 and T8

Which one do you think is going to be a safe pick?

Nural2 votes

Out of those three, I would choose Cop. He is the most consistent out of the three, and out of those three teams, GV seems to be the most consistent. (Its the safer pick)

However, all of those teams are struggling at the moment and/0r have rough schedules for week 4. Are there any other possible choices for adc available to you?

Dropsmack1 votes

I'm looking to start Link instead of Fox. They both have great potential but one may be a safer bet. What do you think?

Nural2 votes

Although Link has been absolutely unstoppable, but I think Fox is a must this week. CLG is going head to head with TSM this week (Hell yeah), but no one knows whos gonna come out on top, so its a little bit riskier to run link this week. I know Im contradicting myself from what I said above, but if you have fox as an alternative (In which SK (6-0) has an easy, EASY week) you gotta put in fox this week. Its a safe decision thats guaranteed to earn you a lot of points.

I hope this helped! GL GL!

Phantasies1 votes

True enough because Fox just pulled a 31 point game and is the highest FLCS scorer on day one. Next victims to feel sorry for is MYM...

HeManHutt1 votes

I'm in a eight man league so right now I'm hurting in terms of my mid. I currently have on my team Soren of CW who had an amazing last week but is going against FNC (my opponent has two of them btw) and undefeated SK. My other mid is Jesiz of Coast going against CLG where my opponent has Link as his mid. In my mindset Jesiz is the safe bet these week and Soren is the calculated risk, can he repeat last we and upset one of the two top teams? Also this week in my league Shiphtur, Ryu, Nia and Kori are all available to be added.

TL:DR I don't have any all-star mids curious if anyone has advice on someone this week.

Nural2 votes

First, may I say that i'm sorry for your mid situation.

Out of all of those, Soren is the way to go. I understand your opponent has members of Fnatic, but if there was any team I would peg for the upset, it would be CW. (They just seem to have a history with that). Also Soren is the type of mid who can single-handily carry a game. Even if FNC does do well against CW, Soren should do alright. Everyone else available just doesn't have enough firepower to get you the points you need. Soren is your best bet here.

Hope this helped! Truly the best of luck to you sir.

Start Prayin1 votes

xiaoweixiao or pobelter for midlane this week? since both have a flashy playstyle i have no idea on who to pick :/

Nural2 votes

XiaoWeiXiao all the way. Im literally going to copy and paste something a said below, "All of TIP are sleepers heading into week 4 due to their easy schedule. And TIP loves to play with aggression, which is extremely effective against struggling teams." Plus, XiaoWeiXiao is the star player on that team. Throughout these three weeks, he as played very well, even in a loss. (Except against TSM, that was brutal...).

Hope this helped! ALL ABOARD THE TIP HYPE TRAIN

Lemwell1 votes

I second all of that

Lemwell1 votes

I just want to thank @Nural for all the great work he's done here. I've been coming here a lot and it has helped me clear up my thoughts and as we head into week 4 I am confident I'll win because of the help I've gotten, and because of what I've realized from writing. So @Nural you've been great to work with, I won't be back on before the season starts tommorow, because my proxy server doesn't work to let me login when I am at school but anyways TY very much m80.

Sincerely, Lemwell

DFTBA

Nural2 votes

Thanks @Lemwell! All of the support and discussion means a lot! :D

Mystletaynn1 votes

Well, RIP Elements. ;-;

Nural1 votes

Holy H2K batman!!! That was so clean. I actually dont know what to say. The theme for EL that game was "Giving up". They gave up dragons. They gave up Turrets. They Literally let H2K take the both turret and inhib. They just decided to give up the game entirely. VERY uncharacteristic of elements...

Also, KaSing play that game gave H2K new life. That was a strong performance...

R.I.P Elements

7p1rZPnnxO1 votes

Wow seriusly RIP Elements lost against two of the easier teams... lost a lot of faith in them man!

TheWaIkingBread1 votes

I have the following... top-Huni Jungle-Santorin Mid-Fox Adc-Steeelback Supp-Gleeb Flex - Xiaoweixiao Team-UOL I'm actually undefeated and going on my 4th win even tho I picked a troll team at first with saintvicious darien and Hotshotgg. I'm planning on changing gleeb to uol's support next week since gleeb is leaving wfx and changing xwx to freeze since xwx isn't having a hot season so far and is def unreliable. However I kind of want more NA players. Anyone have any suggestions on who I should pick up?

InSaiyann1 votes

So who else started Shook, REKKLES and Nyph like I did?

Nural1 votes

So, may I be the first to wish you my sincerest apologies on elements bad week.

Im actually at a loss for words on how elements performed. At first I thought it was H2K just playing extremely well, but to then lose to GMB... well, now there are lots of red flags being raised (Primarily around their early game presence.)

Ill go more into it in depth with my overall week 4 analysis, but I personally believe that Elements just had a bad week and nothing more. I actually believe there losses this week will help them to be even better in the second half of the split. (Once again, just read the week 4 analysis i'll post tomorrow).

Furnace Of Souls1 votes

when are you going to be posting the next analysis cuz i take your opinions into great concideration

Nural1 votes

Im going to try to post the new week'd forum each monday night of the respected week of upcoming games. So it will be up a little later today! Ill also post a note inside this forum to let people know its up!

And I appreciate the support! Hope its been helping everyone!

Start Prayin1 votes

sooo.. who's gonna pick up keith for this week?:D

Nural1 votes

Someone in my league kept picked him up after week 2, banking on the fact that they would bring him back.. How could I have known?!?!

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