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Summer 2015 Starters Discussion & Week 8 Analysis (Who Do You Start Week 9?)

Nural··3 votes·4,628 views

Hi there!

Ok, so the purpose of this forum is exactly what the title describes, to help people set up their best line up possible heading into the next week of games. We've all experienced a moment where we are choosing between two players, not sure which one will have the better turn-out with regards to their current match-ups, their record, if their on a losing streak, new subs of the team, etc. This can now become a place where the fantasy community can help each other out with their rosters so that they are receiving their full potential each and every week. This can also be a place to discuss possible Add/Drop possibilities. Anyway, everyone can understand the purpose behind this forum now.

Just simply post a question about who you are deciding between, along with your reasonings behind why you should and shouldn't start them. Then hopefully a fellow fantasy community member will be able to respond and help you make your decision. Anyone can help out! Multiple opinions and beliefs are better than just one! Remember, Strength in numbers.

Disclaimer: Human beings cannot foresee the future, everything posted on here are just calculated predictions/opinions.

Hopefully this now provides a means for all of us as a community to help each other in achieving the glorious 1st place spot in your respected leagues, along with the entitled sensation of "Bragging Rights." Best of luck to all of you! #FantasyLCS #DecisionsAreHard

Nural

First and foremost, I apologize for the late posting this week. Im currently amiss another finals week and grades are kinda important. Therefore, my time is pretty occupied for the time being!...

But with that being said, we're finally here. The final week. Everything has been leading up to this. There are a lucky few of you who have already clinched 1st place along with the coveted title of "Bragging Rights", and so I tip my hat to those of you lucky few. You should celebrate by starting the entire TDK roster and meteos. (Why? Because you can.)

However, there are many owners out there where it all comes down to this week. So, now that my dramatic into speech is out of the way, lets get into it one last time shall we?

The important thing to note about Week 9, or the last week in general, Is that the long term ideology no longer exists with roster changes. What do I mean by this? Since its the last week, it all comes down to the match-ups for this week. Im going to list off the Six teams who I think are going to be the most successful heading into week 9. **All you need to do is make sure that with each of you're player slots has a player from one of these six teams. **

(Also, sorry that there isn't a chart this week, I've just really, REALLY been short on time. FORGIVE ME <3 )

SO! Who are my top teams heading into week 9?

  1. FNC. #ObviousDecisionsAreObvious #NotGonnaJinxIt

  2. GV. #ObviousDecisionsAreStillObvious. I will say the TIP game is going to be very interesting. These are the two hottest teams in NA right now, (In my personal opinion). If there was a team to give GV a run for their money, it'd be TIP. But I still think GV is the better team due to their methodical gameplay. I personally see this game being very high kill because it is still TIP, but GV should come out with the W here.

  3. TSM. I know. TSM has been nose-diving hard recently, but this week is primed to be a 2-0 week with them going up against NME and C9. TSM historically puts up explosive numbers in their 2-0 weeks. (Shocker. I know.) But they haven't had a 2-0 week since week 5. This week should be different. Not to mention, C9 is showing more life in their play, and making it easier to score points against. If there is a week to restore your faith in TSM, this will be the week to do it.

  4. CLG. Well, it one thing was clear from CLG last week, they are telling us loud and clear that they "refuse" to pull a classic CLG and rolling over and dying towards the end of the split. And that is what we like to see from CLG heading into week 9 with their given match-ups. They face DIG and T8. T8 put up some BIG numbers last week due to their bloody and sloppy gameplay, and DIG is becoming more of a coin-flip at the moment. You dont know which DIG you're gonna get. CLG in both cases, however, should be able to pick up the wins against these two teams. so with this being the last week, im giving the go ahead for CLG here.

  5. EL. Reminder: this is the last week of the split. And because of it, EL is a great team to have for week 9 for a couple of reasons. The major reason being that they face SK and GMB. Granted, GMB is showing more fight and has had some recent success against these lower-level teams. BUT! EL has been putting up some pretty solid numbers as of late. (30-40 pt weeks. Both of them 1-1 weeks as well). And now they are not only guaranteed another 1-1 week, but are primed to go 2-0 in my opinion. If anything, they just will score points against these two teams. EL has a history of scoring high against lower level teams.

  6. GIANTS. Now, this is one of the more risky options, but the GIANTS vs CW game is too good to be true for fantasy owners. This game alone has carried fantasy owners to victory in the past due to its explosive nature. While I do think the UOL game will be a harder game for GIA, it should still spell out points. Hell, last time these two met, Giants Won! I think Giants are going to end the fantasy season on a potentially VERY HIGH NOTE.

Honorable Mentions and Not So Honorable Mentions

C9. I mentioned above in the TSM slot that C9 is putting up some impressive numbers in the past couple of weeks. And while I do think they will drop the game to TSM, they should have no problem finding success against the punching bag TDK. So if you feel so inclined, you can start a C9 player if you need to! They are my Sleeper pick for this week I guess.

Why no TIP?: "ARE YOU CRAZY NURAL???" Answer: Maybe. Personally as a major TIP fan, this hurts my soul that im Against starting TIP players this week. But TIP is facing the two hardest teams in NA this week (GV and TL). While TIP may be on a hot streak, these two teams can easily end that. There is a possibility TIP could 0-2 this week, which is never a good thing in fantasy... So with one week to go in the split, I think it may be best to Tip our hats to the conductor of the TIP hype train, say thank you for the ride, and hop off. There are much better teams to run this week (Listed above). And remember, this is the last week. Giving up TIP here doesn't matter all that much anymore.

Some Ending Week Tips

  1. If you are in a league where there is a guy who has already clinched 1st place, (Or even last place), Try and see if he is willing to trade you one of his better players. It shouldn't matter to them considering they've already clinched 1st/last. (Unless they are going for a perfect record or they are just an A#%hole.) You can potentially pick up some great players if they are good-hearted, generous people. And if you are one of those people and you are reading this, (Which would surprise me since you have no reason then to read this discussion thread XD ), be a good person and help those who are in need! <3

  2. If you are going to make a trade for a player, try to do it closer to the roster lock in time. If you do drop one of your "historically" stronger players, Cough TIP Cough, no need to give your opponent the potential to pick them up right? You should all know you're league pretty well by now and should have a sense as to how active everyone is with add/drop. Feel it out.

Final Remarks

Just want to thank everyone for the awesome split this season. I am forever thankful for the support you guys gave me, even when I was busy and out of it from time-to-time. Also, shout-out to the all of the members of the fantays community that pitched in with their own analysis and advice! It's always a cool think to see everyone helping out each-other! I hope you all had a kick-ass split and summer. As a reward, here is a song that everyone is worthy of this split.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ef20zbq5M

GL HF. See you guys next spring!

Nural

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Axis the Dragon2 votes

WARNING!

For those that have heard about it, good, but for those that haven't, TWO PLAYERS have currently been issued bans: GMB's Forgiven (4 game ban for toxicity) and TIP's XiaoWeiXiao (a temporary suspension for investigations involving ELO Boosting). If you have them on your roster, it may be a good idea to get rid of them ASAP!

Longshot10561 votes

So this is my first time coming to someone and asking like this but I was wondering if I should hold onto Lustboy for this week or to put him on the bench and try and snatch up Gate the moment he becomes available. I know TSM could have a 2-0 week, but as a C9 fan and having watched how both C9 and TSM have been playing these past two weeks my money is on C9 winning. TIP may not go 2-0 this week, in fact they may end up going 0-2, but the wy they play leads to a lot more action and with such tough opponents I can't help but feel like they're going to be high scoring again.

Now I won't lie I personally just want to win this week due to wanting to go out with some form of high note, I got screwed in draft with last pick of an 8 person group and chose poorly with what I had, since I'm second to last only beating someone who hasn't been playing since week 2. However if I do win I could decide who takes first place, and me winning would possibly get a friend of mine for many years into first.

Overall my roster is:

Top: Impact (Steve on the bench) Jungle: Hai (Loulex on the bench but I have not been impressed by H2K for the past few weeks) Mid: Ninja/Froggen ADC: Vardags (Otter on the bench) Support: Lustboy Flex: Ninja/Froggen Team: FNC

Opponent:

Top: Vizicsacsi Jungle: Rush Mid: Pobelter ADC: Piglet Support: Mithy Flex: Bunnyfufu Team: TSM Bench: Keith, Incarnation, Gamsu

On the table to pick up:

Top: Cabochard otherwise I wouldn't take any of the others Jungle: Trashy, Fr3deric, Jankos, Gilius Mid: Pepii, Fox, Innox, Betsy ADC: Adryh, Tabzz, MrRallez, Nien, CandyPanda Support: nRated (and Gate when they finally add him)

Thanks for any help!

Nural1 votes

Mid: Froggen Adc: Tabzz Flex: Adrhy

Just remember that this is the last week and all that matters is that you have favorable match-ups in youre line-up. With this set up, you are starting three players who are in a better position to go 2-0 this week. Why Froggen/Tabzz over Pepi? Mainly because I like EL chances more with their match-ups. GMB is now down Forgiven, and I think EL should be able to handle SK. Not to mention that EL still puts up points in their losses, unlike a certain Giants team that I know...

Otherwise I think you've got a pretty solid line-up. Its gonna be interesting to see how that all unfolds for you.

GL GL!

Longshot10561 votes

So I didn't take Adryh, and I'm pretty glad honestly. I just don't have faith in GIA even if it is against CW. I highly doubt anyone figured Cw would take a game off Roccat today but they did, and a super low scoring one at that. I did take Tabzz though and put him in over Vardags. now my flex slot has Ninja in it but I could also trade him out for the now mid lane Gate or possibly throw in another NA player. Think I stay with Ninja, risk it with Gate? I have nothing to lose but my friend does somewhat. I figured since I already have Impact in and he has Rush that it could work with Gate possibly.

available NA ADCs and Mids are just who I have and then T8 and NMEs players. I might possibly be able to get Wild Turtle in a trade but I'm doubtful about TSM and their teams ability to put up points other than Bjerg.

Longshot10561 votes

OMFG the points from Ninja and Gate... if only I played both of them. I won BTW and my friend did as well so he took first place in the league.

FNC BarbieQgrill1 votes

Hey Nural and all others :)

I have a small question, about setting my team. I need to win this week to become 1st place. According to your week 9 expectations, im in a pretty good position. But im not sure which adc i should take. I've been rotating those last 8 weeks through 3 adc's, (wildturtle, doublelift and also Altec is still open for pickup). So im wondering should i pick up Altec, and if I should, who should I drop.

Help is really really appreciated.

Nural3 votes

Think its time to Drop the Turtle and put in the Altec. While TSM is primed to go 2-0, we cant ignore the sudden nose-dive from them the past couple of weeks. D-lift, despite CLG's weaker 2nd half of the split, has been a pretty consistent source of points, and this week should be no different. Not to mention, CLG loves to gank the bot lane. Altec, and GV as a whole, is the best team in NA, and while the TIP game may be close, I think its still worth running the Altec here over the turtle.

Plus you've got you're TSM representation from Bjerg-king. :D

GL GL!

FNC BarbieQgrill1 votes

okay thank you very much for helps <3. Did it rightaway, now just hope i can close out my victory, failed last week, by benching doublelift :c.

Really thanks for helping

Nural1 votes

Absolutely! <3

And if you've got any other last minute questions and etc, feel free to ask.

You can also tune in tonight for my twitch show if you want any further clarification on stuff there as well! :D

I want you sooooo badly to get first place.

The best's of lucks to you.

FNC BarbieQgrill1 votes

awwww thank you <3. Sorry i missed your stream, your name in twitch is Nural aswell (than i can follow you). And yea i do my best to win. I will let you know if I won or not. (even if I lose, i have chance to be 1st place.)

Nural1 votes

twitch.tv/nurai900

Forgot to send the link to the channel lol.

Unfortunately, there's not gonna be another show for a while, (or at least not until the 2016 spring split roles around)

You got this! I believe! :D

FNC BarbieQgrill1 votes

I did not win this week, but it did not matter the number 2 in league lost aswell, so i got my 1st place yaaaaaay :3. Altec, Hauntzer and Bjergerking didnt do well :c.

Nural1 votes

TIP. The fact they were able to perform the way they did shows some SERIOUS promise. (Unforutnately, its the end of the split).

But happy you earned #braggingRights!

GondraX1 votes

Drop XWX .. He isn´t starting this week

FNC BarbieQgrill1 votes

Im the other person, my opponent has XWX at the moment :). So i hope he doesnt notice, and he plays with XWX :D

AeroStatikk1 votes

Gotta win this week and hope #1 loses so I can tie! Bunny FuFuu or Kasing? Hauntzer or Soaz? Fenix or Adryh or Tabzz? Amazing or Fr3deric? http://gyazo.com/c8be3967a14716ad84e4fed468339592

Nural1 votes

Supp: Bunny Top: Hauntzer Flex: Tabzz Jung: Fr3deric

This is the reason why I love week 9, because the roster's at the end of it all are so damn funny haha XD.

But OG/H2K players are risky this week due to their match-up. In all honesty, I have Zero clue as to who is going to win that game because ITS F#@KING EU LCS. Our Predictions mean NOTHING. And it drives me CRAZY! I believe H2K is going to pull through, but I have no clue...

GV is clearly one of the top teams in NA, not to mention their hot right now, and are always a safe bet.

Between Tabzz and Adrhy, not only has Tabzz been more consistent than Adrhy in the past four weeks, but he also goes up againsts GMB bot lane. (For those who haven't heard, Forgiven is suspended due to being toxic on the soloQ's. ...Let this be a lesson to all of us.) GMB's bot lane is gonna suffer this week, and EL can capitalize on that.

Ill get into more of it in the show later tonight! :D

Bro. Get it done. You can totally get the tie. (Do you have more points than him if you do tie???)

GL GL GL.

AeroStatikk1 votes

I'll have like 200 more points if I can pull off the record! Skeptical about Tabzz.. .but I trust you

Nural1 votes

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AeroStatikk1 votes

Also forgot to ask, Liquid or Gravity for the team slot?

Nural1 votes

SCRATCH THAT

Just found out XWX is out for week 9. Go with Fenix for sure now! TL should kick TIP's ass with two of their starting players out.

AeroStatikk1 votes

Tabzz over Fenix though...?

Nural1 votes

SCRATCH THAT

Just found out XWX is out for week 9. Go with Fenix for sure now! TL should kick TIP's ass with two of their starting players out.

AeroStatikk1 votes

Whaaa why is XWX out?? I've been out all day, didn't catch the show.

EDIT: Ignore this, just heard. S a d

Nural2 votes

"HE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE!

HE WAS SUPPOSED TO FIGHT THE DARK SIDE, NOT JOIN THEM!"

(Literally how I feel right now. Poor Obiwan....)

Ztec41 votes

Should I start Adryh or Pepi as my flex?

AeroStatikk2 votes

Statistically, Adryh is marginally better. No reason to not trust the statistics at this point. Not to mention UOL's bot lane is weak.

Nural1 votes

Agreed. Upvoted. Supported. Acknowledged. Truth.

... basically I agree haha

Lengban1 votes

Mkay, it's my last week and I'm going against one of the two in number one today, so this is more me just trying to prove I can beat one of the top two and tip who wins the league itself, but yeah. I'm wondering just who to start with/for who now.

My Lineup (Alts): His Lineup: Top: Hauntzer (Soaz) Jungle: Santorin Mid: Xpeke (Fenix) ADC: Niels Sup: Yellowstar (Mithy) Flex: Altec Team: Gravity

His LIneup: Top: Huni Jungle: Reignover Mid: Peppinero ADC: Rekkles Sup: Aphromoo Flex: Hjarnan Team: Team Solomid

Potential Trades: Top: Odoamne Jung: Amazing, IWDominate Mid: Pobelter, Keane ADC: Wildturtle, Adryh, Tabzz Sup: Lustboy Team: CLG, Team Liquid, H2K, Origen

AeroStatikk2 votes

His team is very strong, but I think I can help you a little bit here. I think Hauntzer is the way to go. I would swap Santorin for IWD. IWD actually has higher average points, not to mention they play a bloody T8 and a broken TIP now. Fenix also, same reasons as above (Fenix has ~2 PPG more than xPeke, and an easier week) I think Adryh is worth picking up instead of Niels. I know Niels is a great player, and has a much higher average than Adryh, but you gotta look at this week only. If Niels goes 1-1 and Adryh goes 2-0, Adryh can probably outscore. I think you need 2-0 weeks to win your matchup. Plus, if H2k wins, Hjarnan gets points and Niels suffers, double whammy. Yellowstar is bae. Nobody is a better support. Good for you. Altec/Adryh in ADC/Flex, you decide lol. Gravity = good.

Another option is to pick up Pobelter and run Pobelter in flex, and then decide between Altec and Adryh. Altec is probably safer, so I would go Fenix mid, Altec ADC, Pobelter flex, but that's me.

Nural1 votes

Literally all of this is great.

You're match-up is gonna be tight, but I think once you make these changes, you'll be sitting pretty.

rmanami1 votes

This is my current roster for week 9 of my 8-man Fantasy LCS League.

I'm uncertain on Origen players, looking for sugestions. Trades with other players seem unlikely, not a single one over the whole split.

Ztec41 votes

How am i looking for next week? If I win I am guaranteed 1st so just want to get a final/last minute thought if possible to settle my nerves haha!

Edit: This is an older screenshot btw, I do have Adryh starting as my flex not Pepi, AND Liquid as my team over Origen

Axis the Dragon1 votes

That's a really tight matchup. I think it leans in your favor but again, Fantasy is fickle. Always expect the unexpected!

Nural1 votes

if you've said you made the changes you claim to have done, (Adrhy flex, TL team),

Then you've got my stamp of approval heading into week 9. That is going to be one close match-up, but I think you should do ok!

Literally, All of the bests of lucks to you! :D

Axis the Dragon1 votes

Heya!

So, the final week. It all boils down to this. Warning: Wall of text incoming.

Matchup 1:

http://imgur.com/a/5QGGQ

I'm against the number 1 in our League. Win or lose, I'm gonna be stuck in 5th place out of 6. That much is pretty set in stone barring a very specific series of events that are very unlikely to happen. I'm just hoping to minimize damage at this point (and XwX being suspended means my main pointmaker is gone, replaced by Froggen or Ryu. Go figure).

I went for Tabzz to replace Vardags, and although I do want to believe in Adryh, I'm considering flexing Froggen instead. I could just use all three (ADC and Mid Tabzz/Froggen, Flex Adryh) by dropping Ryu, although I'm somewhat willing to gamble on him. KaSing has been with me since the beginning, so I'm not about to drop him now! xD

Finally, I opted for Dyrus/Xmithie instead of Impact/Rush this time around (mostly because of XwX's suspension).

Any potential changes to my final roster? :D

Matchup 2:

http://imgur.com/a/LE3sc

Not a lot of options I can move around with. I'm fighting for second place (hopefully). Again, I'm staying faithful to KaSing.

Other than Helios, I can't really think of any other jungler I can use, Svenskeren notwithstanding (the only ones available are Frederic (GIA), Dexter (EL), Hai (C9), Porpoise8 (T8), Diamondprox (GMB), Kez (TDK) and Shook (CW), with the best options being Frederic and Dexter).

I could start Pepi over Fenix, though Fenix has been super consistent lately. What do you think I should do?

Nural1 votes

Match-up 1:

Yeah, the TIP situation really throw's a wrench into everone's situation. But luckily for us, it happens during the last week and a week where TIP is primed to go 0-2. So its not the end of the world. Preferably, I like froggen in the Mid lane over Ryu this week just due to EL easy match-ups this week. But this is week 9! Im not gonna stop you from doing what you want to do in week 9! Its about having all of the fun's in week 9! (Otherwise im A-ok with the roster) #Week9Shenanigans

Match-up 2:

I think Dexter is the better way to go this week. Just because Dig, at best, is primed to go 1-1, where as EL is primed to go 2-0. Week 9, all that matters is starting players who are primed to go 2-0. This includes TL as well, so im 100% in support of Fenix this week!

Once you make these changes, Nothing Will Stop You!... (Maybe a little dramatic, but dammit its week 9!)

GL GL!

Axis the Dragon1 votes

Elements don't fail me now!

H2K still did some decent points (around 15-18 per) despite the loss, so I'm not too sad.

Axis the Dragon1 votes

Daaamn maybe I should have started Froggen after all. EL vs Gambit, longest game in the LCS yet. Tabzz definitely a good pickup though, 23 points for one game. Sadly I didn't have time to swap out Helios for Dexter. Hopefully that mistake won't cost me...

Nural1 votes

Good news for you, H2K were able to get points in that loss. They should be able to overcome GMB and get you some more tomorrow!

WhaleBeaters1 votes

I was going to say that even with TiP's rough schedule, Rush has shown very consistent scores over the split, but now I see all that XwX has been suspended (for elo boosting? correct me if I'm wrong). Even with that, I would still argue that Rush will perform decently if you're that desperate to start Rush. Personally though, I dropped Rush and Apollo and started as many TL and GV players as I had so my current roster is: Top: Odoamne Jungle: Frederic Mid: Fenix ADC: Piglet Support: BunnyFuFuu Flex: Bjergerking Team: TL

any last minute critiques would be greatly appreciated ^.^

Axis the Dragon1 votes

I suppose it's too late to talk about Frederic and Odoamne... xP

The rest of your team looks mad solid, though. I feel that, apart from Fnatic and Gravity, Liquid has been the most consistent team lately. I would put TIP up with them too, but without XwX they're looking rocky.

lyubolp1 votes

Quick question at the last minute: Should I pick Sneaky or Corejj ? If I win this week, ill be getting 1st place :)

Axis the Dragon2 votes

I never thought I'd say this, but I prefer C9's chances over DIG's this week. TDK shouldn't be too hard a game, and TSM's been on a slump, while C9's been slowly climbing back up.

DIG, on the other hand, plays against a recovering CLG, which might be really risky. NME isn't a 100% sure win, either.

HOWEVER, you can also argue that TSM is clutch when it matters, and TDK, now having a full roster, should be more challenging. Same thing with CLG tending to throw towards the end of the split, and NME not being a very strong team overall.

Up to you. I prefer C9 (but I do really like CoreJJ).

lyubolp1 votes

I have started CoreJJ a lot of times this split (replaced him for Adryh and Forgiven) and he has preformed. But Sneaky has really good chance for preforming well. The standings currently are:

  1. Me - 6-2 2)I win, you lose 5-3 3)Swedish Playmaker 5-3.

Forth place is 4-4. So my worst chance is 3rd place. I think I can take the risk and take Sneaky.

Axis the Dragon1 votes

Noooooo, EL lost. It didn't help that SK looked pretty solid this game, but I feel like most of the blame is just on EL misplaying everything. I'm sad. Tabzz gave me a decent 38 but I was seriously considering starting CandyPanda instead, who got 45+.

Hindsight is 20/20, I suppose.

On the flipside, Froggen didn't do as well as I expected (only 1 more point than Ryu) so overall that was such a bad call to leave him out. Still, I may have been overzealous in switching 75% of my roster...

TimpaniMaster1 votes

Freaking out over close this will be, worried who to put in Flex >< It's been a fun summer, but this game will decide if I get 1st place haha. NA LCS starts in less than 22 hours, hoping for some opinions. I'm the one on top :)

Axis the Dragon1 votes

Well this is depressing

I swapped out pretty much my entire TIP roster to go for a gamble on Xmithie and Dyrus

I really should've known better >> CLG and TSM are much more objective-based than TIP, who are all about raw aggression

Those points lost are really being felt right now

Edit: A very, very random triple kill from Dyrus makes it less painful to take. I'm still salty though.

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