"Spring Split matters"

Vaporware··3 votes·1,044 views

...which, in all honesty, it shouldn't. At least not as much. Let me explain what I mean: the Spring Split, at least in regards to NA LCS, does matter an awful lot. Good placement in Spring gives you circuit points, which can single-handedly punch you a ticket to at least the Regional Qualifier. Getting 1st gives you the chance to scope out international competition and the prestige that comes with representing your region at the Mid-Season Invitational.

So why is it, then, that people are up in arms about CLG taking the Pool 2 seed from Immortals? The answer is simple: Immortals was, at least at the time CLG qualified for Worlds, the better team. They beat them in the 3rd place match, albeit in a game 5 situation. However, CLG didn't have to win the 3rd place match; their 1st place finish 9 patches and 4 months ago (for an ever evolving game like League, these two numbers should be considered significant) had already guaranteed they would enter Worlds due to their defeating a Team__ Liquid that, let's be honest, looked far worse than their seeding belied.

I'm not arguing that Spring Split shouldn't carry importance; the reason there are two splits is because past excellence should be awarded in a fair manner. I think of the Indiana Pacers from 3 years ago, when they soared to a first seed in the Eastern Conference of the NBA through about 3 quarters of the season, and then crashed at the end. My thought is that regions should, when Worlds is so close, want to send their three strongest teams in the moment to Worlds as it's representatives.

I would propose a change to the points system for at least both LCS regions: Spring Split should carry half the point values of the Summer Split. The break down would look something like this:

1st: 90 points Summer, 45 points Spring, MSI slot 2nd: 70 points Summer, 35 points Spring 3rd: 50 points Summer, 25 points Spring 4th: 30 points Summer, 15 points Spring 5th/6th: 10 points Summer, 5 points Spring

I understand that some people will say that this needlessly confuses viewers with having to keep track of two splits with of point values in a row. However, I think that confusion is a small price to pay for major regions looking to place well at Worlds sending their absolute best in show to their international stage.

Some are going to say that this makes Spring basically useless, as a team that places 7th in Spring but then turns around and places 1st in Summer could possibly end up going to Worlds, to which I say "that's kind of the point." If a 7th place Spring Split team manages to get 2nd place in Summer, should they not be rewarded with at least a chance at the Regional Qualifier? If a 1st place team in Spring shows very clearly that they are not a top 3 team in the Summer (which, let's be honest, CLG clearly isn't), should they be able to auto-qualify on points from Spring?

I don't think so. What about you guys?

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Miror B1 votes

See, for me if they really wanted to make spring interesting then they should turn it into a cash-based "tournament" which would work a bit like a reverse-msi (in which teams play for cash in the first "split" and worlds positioning in the 2nd "split", as opposed to msi which is essentially the inverse of that). Then teams would not only be equally motivated for both splits (you either win spring and get a decent chunk of cash, or win summer for a chance to get a larger chunk of cash) but it would also allow rito to share more of that income that people have been wanting them to without just handing it to them willy-nilly.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

What about Spring split and Summer split should be in the same "season" Spring Split eliminate the playoffs and just have the playoffs for the Summer split. Think of it as the NFL where each team has a bye-week

Or have more teams in the LCS for the Spring split for example(20) and split the teams into 2 divisions where teams in the same division face each other lets say 2 times while only facing the other teams from outside their division once. The 10 teams with the best overall records after the spring split is finished gets to compete in the summer split.

This will make the True contenders from the flash in a pan teams. The 10 teams that can outperform for the first half of the year get to compete for the second half of the "season" for a chance for Worlds.

Miror B1 votes

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What about Spring split and Summer split should be in the same "season" Spring Split eliminate the playoffs and just have the playoffs for the Summer split. Think of it as the NFL where each team has a bye-week

Or have more teams in the LCS for the Spring split for example(20) and split the teams into 2 divisions where teams in the same division face each other lets say 2 times while only facing the other teams from outside their division once. The 10 teams with the best overall records after the spring split is finished gets to compete in the summer split.

This will make the True contenders from the flash in a pan teams. The 10 teams that can outperform for the first half of the year get to compete for the second half of the "season" for a chance for Worlds.

Not sure what you're referring to by them being the "Same season". If you're suggesting that rito have just one "split", then they would and should never do that (as it'd mean less games played overall thus less cash for them, would give the players less "training", and would give their competitors more of an ability to broadcast to their players/viewers). If you're suggesting that they combine the splits (so 18 games/series in a row instead of 9 with a break in between), then rito would and should never do that (as it'd make their content more repetitive/boring, and would cause the owners to bring up player health/safety issues due to a massive workload).

The idea of having more than 10 teams is (although nice to think of) premature and incredibly unlikely to happen. Although the 76ers bought two franchises, the water for actual LoL teams is still borderline lukewarm and somewhat scary for investors right now. At best, they could probably get 12-14 teams (assuming they allowed challenger teams to get in on the deal), but even then there'd be a massive issue with player/match quality with the entire 2016 LCS/CS season being a good example of it (as there were 2-3 "unfallable" teams at the top, with the rest of the teams having massive flaws that prevented them from really challenging them). Realistically, would you rather see 20 random-quality teams face eachother over the course of a year or 6-10 "high quality" teams face eachother?

Also a fun fact that I just wanted to point out: using this same formula, G2 and H2k would be the only teams representing EU/NA at worlds.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

How would it be less games ? 10-20 teams and each team facing the other 2 times in their respective division.
For example 20 and split it to 10 for the divisions. TSM in 1 division would face 9 other teams twice(18) and with only facing the other teams in the different division once(10) that would be 28 games per team.

I think it would be fun to watch and having the possibility to watch TSM vs CLG only once for the Spring Split would add crowds of people to watch the game as they know the only time to watch the rivalry is on XXX date.

" would you rather see 20 random-quality teams face eachother over the course of a year or 6-10 "high quality" teams face each other? " - Good point but the LCS is expanding from 2013-14 with only 8 teams now since 2015-16 with 10 teams. So I do think the LCS will have more than 10 teams in the next year or so.

Fans can get in the action also.
Fans get a chance to list the teams into 2 different divisions and spread out the teams. Each fan's vote will count for half a point per fan 0.50 PTS while experts and shoutcasters and people who are around the LCS 24/7 get 50 points per vote.
I'm pretty sure this will create somewhat of a buzz and Riot could maybe "charge"$ fans if they want to "vote" and possibly donate the money to a charity or something. $1 per person, I'm pretty sure Riot could get around 9M-10M to donate to charity. I'm no charity expert but 9 million dollars has to be alot if not the most charity event in history and could get investors to buy in for something that is good and uses the money from regular Joe's like us for something good.

League of Legends is already somewhat a Sport. I saw something on ESPN for E-Sports the other day. So by doing that Riot will get the attention from Sportsnation or ESPN-NBA-NFL and owners and players will also chip in and Riot will be an established "sport"

What do you think ;]

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Honestly the whole riot playoffs format sucks. I know summer split matters where the best team that are on fire has the best chance to win Worlds for their respective regions but Summer split Winners just getting the #1 seed no matter what of regular season standings or previous split records is beyond dumb.

Why not just have the Spring Split and Summer Split the same "season"? Eliminate the Spring Playoffs and just have one Playoffs at the end of the Summer Split. This will now make the team that wins the Summer Split make more sense.
After the Spring split teams keep their record but has a 3-4 month break to train or hope the meta shifts in their favor etc etc.

C7 Goiner1 votes

The problem with this format is that the spring split playoffs determine who is going to MSI. If we had the team with the best standing go instead then we risk sending teams like Immortals who have amazing regular seasons but underperform in the best of 5s that we see in playoffs and the knockout stages at International events. Plus playoffs are the only real chance for most of these teams to get real Best of 5 experience.

R7 Factor1 votes

Let's just have worlds twice a year instead of doing MSI

Kal Vas Flam1 votes

I'm not really a fan of two splits and would just rather have one season like normal sports do. Sometimes teams get to the playoffs off strong starts and that's fine. I don't think any of it should mean more just because the wins accumulate at a different time.

Vaporware1 votes

I think that's a fair point. However, I also think that the two split system is good for players in that it allows a low stress period (unless you place 1st in Spring, in which you'd head off to MSI) for introspection on team philosophy and play style. Plus, most sports do have an MSI period of lull in the middle of a season - being a basketball fan, I liken the All-Star break in the NBA to the MSI break.

I think that an exception to that midway break is in the NFL, with the Pro Bowl at the end of the season.

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