Who do you have taking the #1 spot in NA and EU for LCS?

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I know Xpeke isn't going to be on Fnatic, I only brought up Xpeke because most of the time it was Xpeke that would cost OG games when Amazing and Soaz was still on the team with either Ashe arrows missing or just having like the worst LCS map awareness ever. I mean OG didn't win many games but when you have a Mid that gets swapped out 24/7, a Mid player playing ADC that clearly isn't his role, and a support that was carried by G2 and you still hold out for 40mins per game; not bad and credit goes to Soaz and Amazing for doing so. .

OG lost games for a lot of reason, Amazing being bad was one of them (not the only one) He is the veteran in FNC that give the bigger question marks imho, that's my point. And I'll trust Rekkles to make anyone look decent at sup

The EU jungler scene will be interesting to watch not as much as Mid to me personally but it's the 2nd most interesting role this next split. 10 Junglers with 8 being counted so far ( Amazing - Trick - Jankos - Kakao - Trashy - Shook - Xerxe - Maxlore ) Honestly I don't know much about Xerxe and Maxlore as well considering Xerxe is with UOL in which that team has always had a limp in regards to the jungle position it's either on or off for periods of time and Maxlore is with Giants and I don't see them being anything other than near the bottom of the table when it comes to Standings so the player's stats might show for it. Vitality Shook is a good jungler but when it comes to items IDK what the fuck he builds half the time, like he builds 3 half items that are the right items when completed but it doesn't help unless the games go a hour long. G2 Trick probably going to be the best jungler this next split if I had money on it but I don't so I'm going to say he won't be. His ganks are good but man does he come from the Huni and Reignover school of camp.
Kakao has a history of being a great jungler but with a new team anything can happen but I'm not expecting much from Misfits maybe a 5-6-7 seed so his play with resemble from those team standings. H2K Jankos will be my predicted best EU jungler as I see H2K having a pretty good split and Jankos himself has really improved from last split and Worlds. Splyce Trashy it's a ? for me. The team can only go up from last split as far as EXP goes so Splyce has that to grow from.

Shook? He is likely not going to play as starter in next LCS split. Vit is changing jungler (that's why they were trying out GBM at first, then dropped him). Maxlore has left Giants, which is searching a jungler, and is rumored to play for Roccat (or new Origen). He was real good last split, led Giants to success alongside NighT Xerxe is the real deal, most talented young and upcoming jungler in EU that was coveted by a lot of orgs. Djoko confirmed that is going to play in LCS (rumored VIT), and the guy is not super talented but he is pretty much consistent

This year there is not going to bene more talent in EU jungle, but there is going to be much more consistency. Guys like Spirit, Shook, Airwaks, Gillius, etc... looked like gods one day and trash the next One. This season there should be no weak or inconsistent guy, and this should raise the overall level quite a lot (that was the reason why Trick and Jankos dominated, they were the most consistent ones)

P.S. Trashy is meh and the weakest member of Splyce + the one with least room to grown, if Splyce want to be successful they should replace him in Summer

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Just because he's above the average EUCS mid-laner doesn't exactly make Caps good. Realistically, unless you're literally the best thing coming (perkz) then the chances of performing even decently are quite slim. The best example I can give of this has to be shrimp from NA, as he was rather okay (not great as his playstyle was risky/ rush2.0-ey) but the instant he hit the LCS it all massively fell apart.

Shrimp example is a terrible one, dude Shrimp was decent to good in NA CS, but in a role that had pretty much terrible quality in NA CS and he wasn't realy one of the main forces/carries of those NA CS teams he was in I mean, Crumbzz that was considered totally washed up in S4 at LCS level, played CS in S5 and straight out dominated it to then show up as totally washed up in S6 again at LCS level

Compare S5 jungle NA CS to EU midlane scene is DUMB The fact he is above average EU CS means that he can potentially compete at LCS level because he has the talent - and the level of EU CS mid lane field is actually fairly good - Will he be able to do it? No one knows it yet, you know. But no reason to believe right know he is going to fail for sure, especially because he has all the good possible conditions going for him And as I said, I think he is overrated, I don't think he is the biggest next great thing, eh

I'll also try to look it up, but I'm pretty sure djoko's already signed to a team (one of the IWC ones, will try to find the article).

Djoko has said he'll play in LCS on twitter yesterday

https://twitter.com/Djoko_GG/status/814468603445727232

Even if Nukeduck has a worse split than normal, you really have to ask yourself "who is most likely to carry on this vitality team". Botlane will probably collapse quite hard (as hachani's playstyle last year took quite a while for KT to get used to), while Cabo will probably be focused hard due to the sheer lack of talent toplane. Unless they get someone really good to jg for them, Nukeduck seems like the only logical option thus his stats will probably be a bit inflated because of it. That isn't to say he'll do well or anything (put peanut on that team and it'll still be short of playoffs), but it will push him over caps who has more potential carries around him.

VIT is a huge question mark It will all depend on how Hahcani and the jungler (Djoko?) will do on shotcalling, because TOP/MID/ADC are all capable to keep it up potentially - and Steelback is not a super aggresive ADC, so Hachani overexstending should not harm him too much - The problem is that if the shotcalling fails, they are going to lose sidelanes (Cabo is feast or famine, and ADC is an easy target to shut it down with multiple people running down bot), and all the enemy pressure will fall down on Nukeduck to perform, which could affect negatively his performance Not saying he will fail for sure, as he is good and could also have a breakout season himself, but he is one of the guys at risk because of the conditions around him, while Caps will have less pressure to bear

P.S. if you would put Peanut on VIT they would easily win EU and do really good at international level, they would have virtually no weak point compared to anyone but top KR team

Yeah, no. To suggest that OG didn't work because of Hybrid is adorable, almost sad actually. I'll correct you slightly on that one point you highlighted before I continue on with my rebuttal: I'm not saying forgiven was a bad pickup (if anything he was probably the best guy they could've asked for), I'm saying that the adc's they chose afterwards were beyond terrible. 2016 OG as a whole was just a mess, and is probably the 2nd-most depressing tale of a top-4 worlds team I've seen (what happened to rox after this year's worlds slightly edging that out). Looking back on it, I'd actually say that Xpeke is probably the biggest person to blame for all of this as you could basically feel all of the control he wanted oozing out of the games he subbed himself in (so much so that the casters were joking about how amazing should "gank peke's lane or risk being fired" on multiple occasions). PoE struggling with origen because he didn't have to help shotcall before? Sub in xpeke I guess, because clearly working through these issues isn't worth it even if you'd like to keep him around for a while. Coaches leave because they don't like the way the team is going? Sub in xpeke, because clearly he can be more of a benefit there. ADC leaves because he literally switches to playing overwatch after finding his current team incredibly boring to play on? Sub in xpeke, because it isn't like there's a massive ADC market (dozens of challenger/ufa's that were available). Oh, and then when the replacement adc you find ends up being not up to snuff due to his most recent experience being the equivalent of IWC-challenger, sub in xpeke again because hey, that'll show him. If we're looking at the team as a whole, it almost feels like the owner had too much control/didn't know what he was doing for most of it. It's why they struggled in summer, why a ton of coaches left (not being able to run your own ideas without your boss looking over your shoulder every second has to be annoying), and why many of the players on their team chose to jump ship (zven/mithy first, followed by literally everyone else in summer). Ultimately, this is why I expect soaz/amazing to do well on fnatic. Not only do they have a better support staff (ironically full of a few former origen coaches) but for the first time in a while they can finally relax and play carefree.

LOL you are clearly delusional here Who they were going to pick up after the split started that was good, available, and affordable from an economic point of view? You suggested to go with a challenger ADC...BUT THEY HAD ONE. AND THEY USED HIM Toaster just couldn't succeed in a situation like that, with team atmosphere shattered because of Hybrid and Amazing-PoE being kinda bad in their performance In Summer they kept 3/5 of the Spring team, they changed just the bot lane with a bot lane that in theory was just as good as the one that left

You are literally put things out of your a*s to put blame on peke The problem is that 2016 OG went progressively worse because situations keep amassing one over another, and while peke did mistakes, many of those weren't his fault

After 2015 Worlds, He himself decided to step back because he felt he could have not been anymore adequate, and he found a guy that in theory should have been the perfect replacement for him It gave him almost the entire Spring Split (+ IEMs) to develop, and when he was not working he subbed him for end of the split + playoffs to improve the results that were lackluster

In Summer he decided to give another chance to that guy, and when his botlane left because they were convinced OG could not perform, picked up what were in theory the best FA on the market. When ADC left because of contrasts with support caused by the support, he stepped him as emergency, used some time to find a suitable replacement, then pick up Challenger ADC to play, and when he does not work he emergency sub in again to salvage the LCS spot, succeeding in doing it so

So the mistakes for which are accusing him basically boil down to two things:

• he did not expect that pick up the best possible player on paper couldn't work
• he stepped in too much to save the situation rather than make it play it out alone

Are you seriously saying that Xpeke is the biggest person to blame? LOL, look at what happened with NRG and then come back talking again on how Peke was terrible for Origen

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Oh, and you should also look at the "success" his 2015 coaches had (spoiler, they had none)

Peke has to be accountable for his mistakes, but he was not the main reason why origen failed in 2016 (and in Spring they got 4th in RS and 2nd in playoffs, so their failure is something most LCS teams have never achieved) The main problem was that he didn't understood in advance that the 2015 Origen roster cycle was over and didn't made moves pre-emptively to remove some players - again, looking at you Amazing -, and so when he tried to adjust things on the run even if he got the best players available on paper this wasn't enough to fix the situation because the foundations were not there to replicate their success... and if you have some intellectual honesty, after a Worlds semifinal and their great showings at IEM San Jose they won with PoE stomping back to back to back LGD, TSM and CLG, very few people would have seen that