Tsm and C9 (my opinion)

derpyderpsonjr·Apr 16, 2015·5 votes·1,656 views

I believe with out a doubt they are the best 2 teams in Na, but I don't care who win honestly even tho I'm a fan of C9 they're both really good teams and deserve to be there. But I do have to admit i believe Tsm is Na's but chance at winning a world championship. I mean they won IEM vs the Cj Entus and WE . I mean C9 had a disappointing IEM compared to Tsm BUT that doesn't mean C9 can't do it as long as they don't lets there emotions get to them like at IEM they will a have a very good shot. They were very shaky after their first lose and even more against the Flash Wolves. C9 did come back strong tho in the lcs and secured 2nd place so there is hope yet. I'm not saying Tsm will win (Which I hope they don't) but there is a good chance they will.

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17 Comments

VixanysApr 16, 20154 votes

TSM didn't play GE in IEM. A single Match against a Korean team (They played an obviously slumped CJ).

So that's wrong, while I believe in having pride in a region I have to say with the information we have right now, I don't see NA/EU getting very far internationally. It sucks, but unless there are major changes between now and May (MSI) I don't see them besting EDG/GE/SKT thought I could see OMG.

derpyderpsonjrApr 16, 20152 votes

Really oh my bad who did they play omg im dumb it was WE, CJ entus im gona make an edit

VixanysApr 16, 20153 votes

No problem it happens.

BiffoloApr 17, 20151 votes

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TSM didn't play GE in IEM. A single Match against a Korean team (They played an obviously slumped CJ).

So that's wrong, while I believe in having pride in a region I have to say with the information we have right now, I don't see NA/EU getting very far internationally. It sucks, but unless there are major changes between now and May (MSI) I don't see them besting EDG/GE/SKT thought I could see OMG.

It's weird. Something about tsm seems quite different this time around. I don't think entirely this season, but next season they have the potential to become lethal. Hell, they might even make top 4 this season if they go on like some uber hot streak.

KilljoyXApr 16, 20154 votes

TSM got lucky at IEM. Nothing more. C9 has won all but 5 total games against TSM ever. C9 has been having trouble adapting to the 2v1 meta but if there are standard lanes c9 will win since balls will crush his opponent and sneaky is best ADC NA. Hai just has to not feed.

derpyderpsonjrApr 16, 20152 votes

Ya hai has had a bad season since the nerfs to asassins which i think is his best but he has performed well on liss and corky but i think Tsm will ban liss so he doesn't have a chance against bjeirg unless he gets corki or has been secretly works on another mid laner but i am wondering whos better on zed bjeirg or hai Hmmmmmmmm...

KilljoyXApr 16, 20152 votes

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Ya hai has had a bad season since the nerfs to asassins which i think is his best but he has performed well on liss and corky but i think Tsm will ban liss so he doesn't have a chance against bjeirg unless he gets corki or has been secretly works on another mid laner but i am wondering whos better on zed bjeirg or hai Hmmmmmmmm...

If zed is picked while any of the counters are up (cho) it wont matter. Zed can only destroy games where he wins lane. If he merely goes even he'll get destroyed by the tank line. Bjerg is really the only member who is better than his opposite number. TSM also doesn't have as decisive shotcalling as C9. C9 lost two games to early game then proceeded to take NINE BARONS IN A ROW to win the series.

ZeroAnarchyApr 16, 20151 votes

To be honest, you don't exactly need good shotcalling to win. Hell TSM did it last summer split while Bjergsen has no where near the level of shotcalling as Hai.

KilljoyXApr 17, 20152 votes

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To be honest, you don't exactly need good shotcalling to win. Hell TSM did it last summer split while Bjergsen has no where near the level of shotcalling as Hai.

You don't need shotcalling against NA or EU teams (mechanics+Pick/Bans are all), vs china or KR without decisive shot calling you have exactly 1% chance to win, and that's the 1% that they tilt and fail. You won't win, they will lose.

NeoDeimosApr 19, 20151 votes

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C9 has won all but 5 total games against TSM ever. C9 has been having trouble adapting to the 2v1 meta but if there are standard lanes c9 will win since balls will crush his opponent and sneaky is best ADC NA. Hai just has to not feed.

1: C9 has been having trouble adapting to the 2v1 meta? .. C9 is the main NA team that opts INTO a modified 2v1!! Go back and count how many times this split that they sent Sneaky into a solo lane, while Lemon went with Balls. If they have any trouble adapting to it at all, it's because they themselves are causing it.

2: Who cares how many times in the past that C9 won? Are you really saying the TSM team of S3 Summer is the same as this one now, when only 2 members are still around (Dyrus and Turtle)?

But fine, let's go along with your thought. According to you, having 2 members on a team from the past still makes it the same team. Well... going back to 2012, there was a team called Orbit that had Hai and LemonNation. That team, after some roster swaps, eventually became known as Cloud 9. So, having 2 members (Dyrus and Turtle) on a team from the past (Hai and Lemon) still makes it the same team, according to you. And, as we all know, TSM was THE dominant NA team during Season 2. And therefore, would have won pretty much every game against the team that would later be called Cloud 9.

Oh? You don't like me going that far into the past, even though your own logic still applies? Fine, I actually agree with that. Therefore, let's stick to games that are actually relevant to the current day matchup. Which, in my opinion, would be when TSM dropped Xpecial and brought Loco on board at the beginning of S4 Summer Split. This essentially ended the long period of in-fighting between Regi and other old school TSM players (TheRainMan, Chaox, and Xpecial), allowing the team to truly focus on the game, and Regi to focus on the business side of things. Since those changes, the series is 5-4 in favor of TSM. In other words, it's a VERY close rivalry currently.

AozoraApr 16, 20152 votes

I think it's too early to call who's gonna be NA's best chance at winning worlds this season as it's really something that'll be decided by the end of the Summer Split. TSM is the strongest team in NA right now and definitely world class, but that might not be true fast-forward 4-5 months from now. Cloud 9 has been slumping all season and been really inconsistent leading to this being their worst split ever; they got second place. But now you have Balls who's begun performing and being a monster again and Hai may improve big-time by getting through those wrist injuries, improving laning, champ pool, etc. by next split. I think TSM will win and go to MSI (still gonna root for C9, but I'm happy with TSM winning them being my second favorite team). However, I think it'll be a lot closer next split.

SinatraZApr 17, 20151 votes

Sadly C9 will not improve with Hai as their mid laner. If you watch any top teams in the world, Mid is always a big factor in their success and Hai just don't deliver enough.

I think summer split will have again TSM and C9 as 1st place contenders along with TIP, TL and CLG.

CubedJusticeApr 17, 20152 votes

Don't be silly. Neither TSM or C9 will win. Team Coast is gonna carry NA to worlds.

NeoDeimosApr 19, 20152 votes

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Don't be silly. Neither TSM or C9 will win. Team Coast is gonna carry NA to worlds.

You heard it here first... Team Coast wins Season 9 Worlds in 2019!!!

Pucking PurrfectApr 16, 20151 votes

TSM wins GGNORE.

SinatraZApr 17, 20151 votes

Big difference this split between C9 and TSM is C9 has been inconsistent. Some weeks they do great and others they do bad unlike TSM whom showed up every time.

KilljoyXApr 17, 20151 votes

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Big difference this split between C9 and TSM is C9 has been inconsistent. Some weeks they do great and others they do bad unlike TSM whom showed up every time.

They sucked on patches which had Hai's entire pool nerfed.