why is lulu such a priority in LCS?
She seems banned out or picked a lot, but not really complained about in the ways other champions are when they reach pick/ban status
What do you all think?
She seems banned out or picked a lot, but not really complained about in the ways other champions are when they reach pick/ban status
What do you all think?
People in the LCS are not whiny little f*****s!
She can top, mid, or support quite well. This allows your team to keep from being counterpicked since you have no idea where she is going. Plus she brings tons of utility to any team comp.
She can top, mid, or support quite well. This allows your team to keep from being counterpicked since you have no idea where she is going. Plus she brings tons of utility to any team comp.
She's pretty trash at support honestly, no sustain and no roaming power. Goes to show how the support role has changed, seeing how they designed her as one..
I dominate with her at support. You don't need sustain since you can shield yourself or the ADC. Same thing as with Janna. Plus her hard CC is point and click. Her poke in lane is very strong. I have forced back a Cait/Raka lane with her.
I just had a game yesterday where we obliterated a MF/Blitz bot with Lulu and Ez. Everytime Blitz pulled me in for his combo, I would just ult and shield while they tried to kill me and Ez got a double kill every time. This happened 3 times during the game and I only died once.
I dominate with her at support. You don't need sustain since you can shield yourself or the ADC. Same thing as with Janna. Plus her hard CC is point and click. Her poke in lane is very strong. I have forced back a Cait/Raka lane with her.
I just had a game yesterday where we obliterated a MF/Blitz bot with Lulu and Ez. Everytime Blitz pulled me in for his combo, I would just ult and shield while they tried to kill me and Ez got a double kill every time. This happened 3 times during the game and I only died once.
I think Lulu is pretty decent as a support in regular games, but I think that guy does have a point in competitive play - Lulu isn't THAT big a flex pick because you know that in pro games she's only ever gonna be solo laning. She never supports. At this stage a more flexible pick is basically any ADC because they can seemingly all go wherever the hell they want.
Lulu is one of the best flex picks in the game. She can play virtually 3 roles, so she allows teams to avoid hard matchups by shifting her in a different position from the one shw was initially picked She is also one of thebest at the protect the carry style
In the actual, nonexistent, meta, these are the two most requested things from achamp, that's why she is pick/banned a ton
Its probably because she's not played much at all in solo queue at low elos because a) she's "boring" to play in that her kit is mostly utility based instead of burst damage based and b) because her purpose is mainly to help an ad deal damage consistently which means that you lose alot of your capacity to carry a game when compared to other mages a/o midlaners
She has really solid damage with minimal AP, unbelievable amounts of CC and support for her team. Either being debuffs for enemy or buffs for your team. It's probably easier demonstrated than told. Should try playing lulu support. You feel more like a mage than a "support". It's quite fun and get to save your teammates from misplays/bad positioning extremely easily.
Probably one of the easier champs to carry a solo queue game from "support" role.
Great poke for lane dominance and can keep an ADC safe by herself. She also offers fantastic support toward engages with the knockup on her ultimate, along with the slowing field it provides. She does just about everything aside from directly healing and hard engage, sort of similar to Thresh.
Lulu retains extreme utility with decent damage and poke to be safe in any position. Her usefulness to a team directly scales with how good the player is with Lulu, and Lulu has a very high capacity for helping out her entire team. Her kit requires one to micromanage both teams at once and make decisions based on what's happening actively. She's very squishy, but does not constitute a threat on her own in most cases. She's just a very good champion in every aspect, but depends quite a bit on your team and communication to be the most effective. She has peel, poke, safety, shields, cc and is cute. Not much more to ask for.
She is a really easy champion for non mechanical players to use and she does really well in protect the ADC comps. Her ult also hard counters assassins on it's own.
Lulu isn't an easy champion. You have to really know the game to know whether to use W or E on your team or the enemy. Plus, knowing who and when to ult is vital to winning.
She is a really easy champion for non mechanical players
I don't think he was saying she's an easy champion, she's just not the most mechanically intensive. It's decision making, not mechanics, that makes Lulu.
Yes, that's what I was trying to get across.
Oh cmon she's pretty freaking easy, especially for a pro. She has almost no mechanical feats, and her hardest decision making is "who do i ult?" to which the response usually is "My ADC". Although i guess that's a little misleading, sometimes it's used so the top laner can carry you to victory (Gangplank/Fiora/Olaf in particular) and FNC has used it to carry their Jungler to victory (Reignover on Olaf). but usually she is used to snowball a teammate to victory, and usually it's very easy to decide that THAT is the teammate you should be ulting.
Don't get me wrong, a really good Lulu can help your ADC ride your team to victory. When I see Rookie or Faker or GBM play it, it can look pretty impressive, but you can see they are pushing that champion to it's limit and even then it doesn't look that good. It's probably because you cant carry on it, but also the effectiveness of the Lulu pick is entirely dependent on whoever the other teammate is you are trying to protect/put ahead.
But usually she's the "Our mid is bad but our ADC/top is good" pick. She is a second support with a safe ass lane. Or, to put it a nicer way, she is a way for the team to put all their eggs in one basket. This was pretty clear at worlds, because she was pretty OP as a mid lane pick at that point. Before worlds the trifecta of mid laners was Lulu/Azir/Viktor, then Azir and Viktor got nerfed. And having a mid focused team in worlds meta generally didn't work out, to have the only two picks mid lane can carry on nerfed meant playing a supportive roll was extremely powerful. This is why you saw things like Xpeke's Anivia and Orianna, Faker's Ryze, Kuro and Febiven's Kassadin, Kuro and Nagne's Veigar, etc etc. The following tournament, KeSPA, had Kassadin/Ryze/GP as the trifecta for that exact reason, and that's why Ever managed to win the tournament, because their mid was able to play those three picks very well (along with their support and top being very good). Also, CLG's only two wins were when Pobelter was on that champion.
Lulu is in a weird spot right now because she does really well aside poke compositions (negates most dives, automatically makes a comp more tanky, which is great in a meta where multiple ADCs is viable) but also does really poorly against poke compositions (The Ever mid laner constantly counter picked Varus into Lulu, particularly at IEM). I would also compare her to vlad, because Vlad is very good at making a composition higher damage on his own, the same way Lulu is very good at making a composition more tanky on her own.
Mechanically, Lulu isn't hard. I'm talking about the decision making with her being the hard part.
I also disagree that Lulu can't carry. It's the same thing that ANY champion can carry a game. A lot of people think you have to kill everyone to carry. That's not true at all. If you play Lulu and Ult and shield your ADC while polymorphing the Rengar who is about to one shot your ADC, allowing the ADC to get a penta, you just carried that fight since your team would have been the one aced without your great play.
Fine, let me rephrase that. You can only indirectly carry as Lulu. No matter how well you are doing in a game, if you're on the pro level and the ADC is Woolite, you will not win. Lulu can play that game absolutely perfectly, but if the carry she is accentuating isn't good, then the game will be lost. You are allowing your carry more options in a team fight, but in the end he is the one carrying.
And a Rengar diving into a team with Lulu is the Rengar messing up, it certainly isn't a "great play" by Lulu. That's like playing zed and ulting the carry when he's standing right next to tahm kench. It's not an outplay, the one player is doing what is expected of him and the other is messing up.
Fine, let me rephrase that. You can only indirectly carry as Lulu. No matter how well you are doing in a game, if you're on the pro level and the ADC is Woolite, you will not win. Lulu can play that game absolutely perfectly, but if the carry she is accentuating isn't good, then the game will be lost. You are allowing your carry more options in a team fight, but in the end he is the one carrying.
If the carry isn't good at the pro level, something is very wrong.
And a Rengar diving into a team with Lulu is the Rengar messing up, it certainly isn't a "great play" by Lulu. That's like playing zed and ulting the carry when he's standing right next to tahm kench. It's not an outplay, the one player is doing what is expected of him and the other is messing up.
Almost all team comps have two carries. So the Lulu has to anticipate which carry to protect, and that takes skill.
Not all team comps. The only way you get to get away with one carry is if you have lulu on the team. That's why you would see things like Sivir/Lulu/Olaf. That leaves only one carry, the olaf.
And carries that aren't good on a pro level aren't good compared to the other team. There is a reason Bjerg wasn't playing much Lulu at worlds; his side lanes weren't very good at carrying. Lulu allows for more positioning mistakes, requires less gold, and much less mechanics. Picking lulu equates to "I hope this top/ADC can carry"
while i agree lulu is the "supportive carry" type, bjerg picks what he is good at because he is one of the people expected to carry on his team, if his team had imp, marin, and spirit, i would expect him to have more options viable to him instead of being a relied on carry.
This is my entire point. He's the carry, he won't be picking Lulu. If they trusted his side lanes to carry, he would be picking Lulu.
the way you made your point seemed disrespectful to bjerg senpai. [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]
more disrespectful to the rest of TSM lol
this part is what got me Lulu allows for more positioning mistakes, requires less gold, and much less mechanics. Picking lulu equates to "I hope this top/ADC can carry"
also, most of tsm did suck, and some of it still does "looking at you hauntzer"
Naaah i think they need to get used to their gold shares, particularly Sven, Bjerg and Double. They are all used to getting the Lion's share of the team's gold. People really don't realize how much gold share factors into the way pro teams play their game. At worlds, most teams played a very top centric style, that's why you saw even teams with god like mids (like faker and Febiven) "underperforming", because they were giving a good portion of their farm to the top laner.
She's a flex pick lane bully who still scales well into the late game with teamfight power. The thing is, she isn't a carry, so she isn't attractive in Solo Queue, so people rarely complain about her.
It's because in solo queue your first priority is to carry yourself, and Lulu has 0 ability to do that. It's not that SHE's OP, it's that she can make autoattack-based carry OP with her crazy strong AA buff and shield. (Try AtkSpd Lulu with a Nashor's in a Normal game, you'll see what I mean.)
shes a huge cockblocker and shes cute and shes fun to play
lulu is a great carry protecting anti assasin champion, very useful in organized play.
The CC you get from her is very reliable. And lots of utility overall.
Lulu Is one of those champions who has an ability for almost every situation, or many that can be used both ways. That opens up what a player can do drastically and brings something valuable from just 1 champion that you otherwise may have to pick 2 champions to have.
She's basically the perfect team player champ, with Ori probably closest behind her in that regard. People need to understand that pros rarely pick champs based off raw power and usually pick them based on what they're trying to do that game and how well a champ works with other players. Lulu has a lot to offer both allies and enemies while being a bit better rounded that Nami and Ori.