Balls just showed the rest of the LCS how and why rework Darius is a threat.

SorryBoysImLes·Oct 4, 2015·14 votes·1,108 views

Every other team has made Darius look like a complete troll pick.

And Montecristo can eat a steaming piling of shit now.

19 Comments

Jungle Lux GodOct 4, 20157 votes

To be fair, almost every other team has failed to play around their Darius pick.

Darius is almost always first-picked except when someone else is more valuable as first pick (eg. Mordekaiser). Then teams don't build their comp around Darius.

Then they get into game and watch the other team try really hard to shut down the Darius pick before he can even possibly get rolling.

C9 plays the Darius pick not as if Darius is a big threat, but instead that Sneaky's Tristana and Incarnation's Azir or Veigar are the big threats and the enemy team has to get through the Darius in order to get to C9's back line. They play around the Darius pick in a way that other teams don't.

SlappybiscuitOct 4, 20155 votes

Poor Monte. Every prediction besides his SKT predictions have been wrong.

Unlucky Number7Oct 4, 20154 votes

the analyst said it best. the threats are the mid laner azir and the adc tristana. Fnatic had to get a wombo combo on those two in order to win. they have to engage on them. Darius just needs to stay in the back and peel. Darius's weakness is that people can easily kite him. they aren't kitting him when they are engaging on him.

QXiqW8fJliOct 5, 20153 votes

Cloud 9 will go 0-6

-Tomato canyon

There's no reason Fnatic shouldn't go 6-0 in this group

-Saltycristo

clowns

Daedalus871Oct 4, 20152 votes

{quoted}

And Montecristo can eat a steaming piling of shit now.

Why can't I upvote more than once?

FowusOct 5, 20152 votes

git dunked fnc

AyRe CoNteMpTOct 4, 20151 votes

what did he do to show that darius is a threat? i mean, i saw the game but i must have missed that he did anything special or at least useful.

Jungle Lux GodOct 4, 20154 votes

Two words: Darius Pentakill

ModWulf HelhammerOct 4, 20152 votes

You mean pentadunk?

Jungle Lux GodOct 4, 20152 votes

Wasn't quite a pentadunk.

Only four dunks happened because Reckles had gotten away from Balls before Balls could dunk him, but Reckles still died from the bleed damage to give Balls a pentakill.

More like a quadradunk + 1.

AyRe CoNteMpTOct 4, 20152 votes

ah yeah right i forgot the moment where darius went 1on5 and pentakilled all on his own without his team helping him and also without the enemy team just having missed everything and suicided completely into azirs lethal range.

you could have literally put any other champion in darius position and it might not have been a pentakill but the game wouldve ended regardless.

i mean, fnatic chose that fight themselves and failed completely. darius had no role in any of it. but i guess that flat mentality is what makes the crowd cheer and clap over every cs anyone takes.

Axis the DragonOct 4, 20153 votes

FNC's hard engage comp is precisely is why Darius was so good on C9's siege comp

Darius has always failed insofar because most teams didn't build around him - they just tacked him onto whatever comp they're using. That, plus the fact that Darius is easily kitable means that he won't be winning any fights on his own - which many teams failed to realize, since they kept trying to make plays or initiate with him.

The difference with C9, then, is that Azir and Tristana are the gods of siege. If FNC was to win, they needed to hard engage on those two. Balls, instead of trying to initiate or make a play, stayed back and waited for the enemy team to come to him - and they didn't have much of a choice, he was right in front of Trist. If they wanted to kill Sneaky, they had to get through Balls.

As such, Darius loses his most meaningful weakness - susceptibility to kiting - allowing him to go ham on the entire enemy team cuz they're trying to get to C9's backline. Granted, FNC got Incarnation, but his Azir did do some damage before going down, allowing Balls to get his resets and the eventual Pentakill.

AyRe CoNteMpTOct 5, 20152 votes

i agree that darius only has a place in long range siege comps to be somewhat of a peeler/finisher but in that particular game he didnt do anything all game long. he was useless and there never was a situation where a hook or ultimate decided a fight or outcome of situation.

the same in that last fight. his positioning was good but if that was any other champion, it wouldve looked the exact same. lets say it was vladimir, it was fiora, it was fucking GAREN. zero difference in the outcome of that fight EXCEPT that any other champion couldve actually threatened orianna (garen flash silence maybe?) so that she cant shockwave perfectly. i mean, darius "cleaned up" but as i said, any other champion wouldve cleaned up the same way or even had more impact in the earlier seconds of the fight so that azir would live. who knows. regardless of the champion, the game wouldve ended right there.

like, this fight was 0% about darius but 100% about yellowstars premature and bad engage. it makes me just so sad that nobody ever talked about that fact but just praises darius. yellowstar ALONE chose that fight and engaged into it. he ALONE did this entire play while his team not even being close enough to follow up a his engage and even if they were, it wouldve forced them to talk through azir to get to tristana. ridiculous braindead engage while fnatic was actually ahead and couldve won easily given a bit more patience.

darius had no contribution to winning this game.

Axis the DragonOct 5, 20151 votes

To say he had zero contribution would be a lie - they did try to focus him after taking down Azir (Trist was pushed out of the fight), which let Darius put 5 stacks of his passive on all 5 enemy Champions (hence why Rekkles got burned down by the bleed for the Penta) and get 2 Qs off (give or take), which is a decent amount of damage + healing (making him survive a lot longer than he should have).

I'll give it to you that nearly any other AoE champ might've done the job, though. Vladimir or Garen would've been a great picks, I agree - Fiora, not so much (her damage is mostly single target, though an AoE Heal might've done some work).

AyRe CoNteMpTOct 5, 20152 votes

during the time darius spins, fiora allready killed 2 champions. as i said, it might not have been a pentakill and "so cool" but no matter what champ, even if it was fucking nami, the game wouldve ended right there. its like, if people celebrate darius because of this now, it makes me feel ashamed to be human.

Axis the DragonOct 5, 20151 votes

Now you're just exaggerating - Darius still killed off both Reignover and Yellowstar, who might've tanked more damage than that otherwise (Remember - true damage goes through Alistar and Gragas' damage reduction). Darius' Q chunked off a good part of Orianna's health, who would have survived longer if not for the dunk (she had flashed away in that fight - it's just that Balls was already in the middle of the ult animation so it was moot)

Like, I agree that many other champions could've done what Darius did. But come on, a Nami or other some other utility Champion (barring damage tanks like Sejuani or Amumu) wouldn't have done much. Only Champions that are tanky enough to have survived Yasuo's ult (either through items or stats) and/or deal high amounts of damage (i.e. juggernauts, bruisers and carries, like Garen, Wukong, Vlad, Fiora) could've pulled it off.

But I will agree that the outcome of that fight had largely been decided the moment yellowstar's combo only hit Balls and Sneaky. By the time he died, Incarnation had already cut a good 1/3rd of like the entire enemy team's health (and damn near killing Huni outright). That, and the fact that Sneaky used Heal to mitigate Last Breath + jumping out the fight meant that the game was over, even if Febiven and Rekkles survived, since C9's main tanks (Hai + Balls) were still available.

AyRe CoNteMpTOct 6, 20152 votes

well, i dont really wanna discuss the details about this fight because what really happened in this fight does not matter. what matters to me and why im even posting here is the topic of the thread - balls showed why darius is a threat - which ofcourse darius isnt and this fight didnt show any of it.

gotta say tho, yellowstar is a threat

Earl EulrichOct 5, 20151 votes

FNC's hard engage comp is precisely is why Darius was so good on C9's siege comp

which would make Darius a good pick later on in soem drafts - but as he had been the first pick this just shows how bad Fnatics draft has been. If they would have learned from OG how to pick a comp that doesn´t have to get close to fight there wouldn´t have been much Darius would have done yet again.

Axis the DragonOct 5, 20151 votes

Honestly, that was just them grossly underestimating Balls. They assumed Huni could just outplay and outscale the Darius through raw mechanics, writing Balls off as a non-factor... which would normally be the case as the perfect scenario. However, Darius got a double kill early on in the jungle. That threw everything Fnatic were going for out of the window, and for a while (pretty much until Yasuo got his IE), Huni was the one that became a non-factor.

Had they picked a strong multi-aggression comp (with more windows of engage, like a Gnar instead of Yasuo) instead of a one-trick pony play (Engage with either Ali Combo or Gragas Body Slam/Ult --> into Shockwave + Last Breath - which was like the only combo they had), they probably would've won the game.