So... Um...

problem is hai himself isnt the best. but they need him for shotcalling. c9's days are over. i mean sure they wont end up in 8th - 10th place but still. na is rip.

Hey, they did better then TiP vs IMT

Only problem is that we aren't seeing hai in the games where it is a challenge yet. we have no way to know whether he is up to it mechanically but one thing is for certain. C9 needs him for the shotcalling. I know bunny was supposed to be better mechanically but what ends up happening is thresh gets banned and then he catn do crap. Hai somehow might have a larger pool in the future if Bunny keeps playing like this. the idea of subs was ok but in reality hai can play the support champs well enough that his shotcalling makes him a wayyyyyyyyyyyy better support than bunny. srry for all of his fans but in reality Hai completes C9

Meh C9 is hai, and always has been. Way way back, I worried that without hai, they would look lost, and they do now.

Since hai intends to retire, C9 needs to have 1 goal this split, make bunny a good shotcaller. They need to ween themselves from hai, and accept that they are a bottom tier team right now. There is still a ton of talent on the roster, and I think they just need to focus on improving their synergy, and being able to work as a team without hai's shotcalling.

I wouldn't agree with braincancer when he says that C9's days are over, they can come back, they just need to focus on developing bunny as a shotcaller in time to make a run for worlds.

Summery: C9 is a bottom tier team right now, and needs to accept that they are a bottom tier team, just focus on improvng team synergy, and making a new shotcaller.

C9 lacks confidence and coordiantion Both can be fixed with a shotcaller... Oh look Dominate retired shit... honestly if they could somehow convice Dominate to comeback and shotcall and just bench Rush (no hate to Rush he is REALLLLLLLLY GOOOD at JG like the best in the world maybe but that isn't what makes a good team, take TDK for example with Seraph). Honestly it would give Bunny a familiar face, it would give them confidence and lighten the mood (because I feel they aren't in the best of moods in game anymore), honestly Dominate or someone like him will be their key. Bunny is an easy going guy so he might be molded to become that but idk... there aren't many support shotcallers, but the ones that are are REALLY good.

Man that tip loss. I really thought tip might be an 0 and 18 team

Rush, Jensen, Sneaky... These are all top tier players even by pro standards. Bunny is mechanically one of the best supports in NA or EU. Balls is a fighter, which I like, and does seem to be a little better this year so far (though granted guys like Huni will still beat him most games). Hai is one of the only players in the NA that actually understands how shot calling is supposed to work, that's why he's good at it. Maybe he can teach Bunny how to do it, but he can't teach the instincts to go with it. They have a stronger player pool than people give them credit for, and if Hai can breakthrough with Bunny I think they'd be one of our strongest contenders.

C9 without Hai seems like a bronze team. Bad draft. Bad calls. They keep getting flanked. Everything is falling apart. I am honestly not expecting much of them when Hai is not around. That being said, it's good that new teams like Immortal and NRG are having success, at least for now. It's refreshing.

You can kick, but no stomping.