Can we admit that Riot kind of ruined this World championship with their recent releases and reworks

The Bíg Ticket·Oct 24, 2015·15 votes·1,966 views

Mordekaiser and Gangplank both have a 100% pick or WIN rate. (Mordekaiser 99%, he was not banned or picked once IIRC) Darius and Fiora completely dominate toplane (yes they have some counterpicks but the fact that they have to play vs "Counters" every game and still win more than half of their games shows how broken they are) Tahm Kench managed to even make Thresh look useless as a support...insane winrate and first pick or ban for SKT (according to many the best team in the world)

I still think the best team is gonna win worlds and they will deserve it but I honestly feel this Worlds patch is horrible and extremely unbalanced and especially disadvantageous for red side. Very unfortunate decision by Riot in my opinion.

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alasarcherOct 24, 20155 votes

Ye that rant about Fiora doesnt come well now, after she got wrecked by Renekton on Worlds. This is by far most exciting Worlds. We had many off meta picks. In middle of worlds meta shifted to double teleport. We had ADCs with teleport, we had Kennen ADC, we had alot of Malphites, There has never been more different picks before in worlds. Ye people focus only on top lane in their whining but look other lanes. We had Olaf mid, Anivia mid, Riven . We had alot of Orianas, Vlads. We had Ryze. Renekton is back, Lissandra was also picked. Couple of Kassadins, Nunus, Syndras, Vi. Ashe,Draven,Vayne,Ezreal, Tristana,Jinx,Kogmaw,Lucian,Gravy, Twitch,Jayce, Cait, Varus... so almost all ADCs were picked.

CJ NishinoyaOct 24, 20151 votes

"We have had many off meta picks"

That have ended up being stupid!

Kass rework is pointless AP fizz is lacking Zed is still too risky and easily countered late game regardless of split push capabilty Olaf mid was used against an inexperienced team against an inexperienced mid laner Ezreal still has pathetic wave clear unless he's expending ultimate and is not hyper damage Syndra was used by TSM because they were out of ideas, the champ is ok for cc pick off but her damage to one target is easily countered if not snowballed Draven is only a counter in lane, has snowball potential but that's not how adc needs to work Jayce picked up by a desperate EDG. "We had an ADC with TP", did he use it effectively? did he hell Cait needs a nerf to her early game to give her something for her mid game, lane swaps make this champ almost pointless! Gravy? Riot riding the gravy train as always they don't care about proper balance they want LoL newbies to have silly discussions about op garen/fiora/morde/reworked gp and their new champ, they need more money to fill their mattress's.

How long have you been playing my sport? you don't have a clue.

alasarcherOct 24, 20151 votes

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"We have had many off meta picks"

That have ended up being stupid!

Kass rework is pointless AP fizz is lacking Zed is still too risky and easily countered late game regardless of split push capabilty Olaf mid was used against an inexperienced team against an inexperienced mid laner Ezreal still has pathetic wave clear unless he's expending ultimate and is not hyper damage Syndra was used by TSM because they were out of ideas, the champ is ok for cc pick off but her damage to one target is easily countered if not snowballed Draven is only a counter in lane, has snowball potential but that's not how adc needs to work Jayce picked up by a desperate EDG. "We had an ADC with TP", did he use it effectively? did he hell Cait needs a nerf to her early game to give her something for her mid game, lane swaps make this champ almost pointless! Gravy? Riot riding the gravy train as always they don't care about proper balance they want LoL newbies to have silly discussions about op garen/fiora/morde/reworked gp and their new champ, they need more money to fill their mattress's.

How long have you been playing my sport? you don't have a clue.

Im not talking about PLAYING it, im talking about WATCHING it. It doesnt matter against who was champion played, or who played it, or champion strengths and weaknesses . Its about how FUN and DIVERSE and INTENSE and UNEXPECTED this worlds was. Noone expected china to fall so easy, noone expecteD NA to fall so easy. There were many different strategies, comps, metas used in this worlds.

C9 Scott Free Oct 25, 20151 votes

Kass is no longer must pick and ban and isn't focused by most teams anymore and it has been that way since rework.

AP Fizz is fine, people just are not playing assassins much this worlds cuz fuck Tahm.

Complaining about Zed who is one of the most nerfed champions in the game that has seen very meh play. The games he is in he either gets shut out or the person playing him is famous for playing Zed.

What's the point on whining about Olaf mid?

Vayne has bad wave clear too. Ezreal is a burst style ADC that relies on AA canceling with spells etc and landing a bunch of skill shots. AKA He is actually unreliable with his damage and you need to play well.

Syndra was picked by a dude that is good at Syndra which is how the game should work. People playing champs they like. See Westdoor and Fizz.

Who said you get to decide how ADC should work? If draven goes even in lane with someone then they are even if he kills them they are further behind him alone on the team. Snowballing is how every champion works and role

That Jayce pick was in game 1 which means it was supposed to be cheese strat and feeler. WE have seen Jayce ADC a few times in the history of the game.

"All champions need the same level of strength at all points of the game." Nope it is called strategic diversity. If she were strong in mid she would probably have to lose some range on her attacks or something meaning she loses her sniper role.

Garen hasn't even been seen at worlds. The patch excuse is just an excuse. GP and Fiora weren't even a part of the juggernaut update. Riot has done some sketch stuff but teams using the patch excuse as an excuse need a better analyst staff.

Slamurai JackOct 24, 20153 votes

As if Zilean and Alistar during season 4 worlds was any better. There going to be 100% p/b champions every single Worlds; that's not going to change.

SuperJediNinjaOct 24, 20152 votes

Get over it...

TheNameIsJohnnyOct 24, 20152 votes

Every season is the same crap. Worst than KASS season... riot just dont know how to balance their game. Go watch DOTA 2 instead. 10x better in terms of balance.

Earl EulrichOct 24, 20152 votes

? did you watch TI5? just Lina/Gyro every goddamn game, topped of with tusk for the save win. the entire tournament just centered around 6 powerpicks at best once they hit quarters - no matter how imbalanced LoL is this year, it´s still better than Dota2.

TheNameIsJohnnyOct 24, 20151 votes

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? did you watch TI5? just Lina/Gyro every goddamn game, topped of with tusk for the save win. the entire tournament just centered around 6 powerpicks at best once they hit quarters - no matter how imbalanced LoL is this year, it´s still better than Dota2.

compare the heroes picked in ti5 to Lol https://www.dotabuff.com/esports/leagues/2733/picks?date=year&hero=&region=&duration=

Earl EulrichOct 24, 20151 votes

you know why there are so many champs picked? because TI features a lot of teams that wouldnßt even count as Wild Cards for lol worlds...leading to a lot of rather low quality games upfront, especially in the lower brackets. Thus i told you to look at quarters onwards, and that meta had been soly about trading Lina for Gyro or the other way around and then pick what´s left (mostly tusk/shaker if you could get it later on)...

hotarseOct 24, 20151 votes

League of Shitends 2019. Nazi moderators 2019. Fuck off! Ban me already fuckers.

Earl EulrichOct 24, 20151 votes

on the one hand i like how things had been shaken and teams had also needed to prove their ability to adept - on the other hand though it´s really showing that balance is somewhat in shambles and they really would have need either more hotfixes pre-worlds or 2-4weeks more time to adjust the worlds-patch and make sure it´s stable (maybe with a smaller tournament of teams that wouldn´t go to worlds for each region to test the waters?).

LuggOct 24, 20151 votes

I said this as soon as they announced the Juggernaut changes. You don't change the meta right before Worlds. HORRIBLE decision on their part.

I am starting to think that there was an ulterior motive. They changed the game to a top lane focused meta which is hands down Korea's strength. Seems pretty suspicious if you ask me.

HiemdolOct 24, 20151 votes

So I think that nearly everyone can agree that the 'S' tier picks this patch are a bit to strong. Then again there are picks like that nearly every year. There are more than normal this year, but every worlds has 'must pick/ban' champs.

That said I do not think that this worlds was ruined by any means. As of the end of the quarter finals there were 72 different champions picked with a good amount being picked into multiple roles. That is more different champs seen at one worlds than every before (the next highest being 68 in season 3) and the tournament is not over yet. Among the different champs picked there have been a lot of picks not often seen. Kennen AD with a fairly good success rate. Renekton has been played to great success for the first time in the pro scene in a while. Almost 25 different picks mid and about 14 different picks for AD, and 18 or 19 different top lane picks.

This is also the first world I have seen that a Korean meta game did not become the default winning style. This worlds meta is a combination of Western style lane swaps with the popular Chinese double TP.

Other worlds have had the must pick/ban like Corki, Kass or Jax. The shear number this worlds is a bit larger than I personally feel comfortable with, but all the same the diversity and different play styles have been really great this year with many really exciting games to watch. I can't agree this worlds was 'ruined'.

Baron Von BanginOct 24, 20151 votes

Every Worlds there's been a pick or ban. A specifically remember Karthus being that status for Season 2.

KeanuCleavesOct 25, 20151 votes

I disagree that Riot ruined worlds with patch 5.18. The top lane meta was obviously not favorable to the NA teams, but putting nationality aside, I think this year's worlds has been great. More champions were picked so far than last year. Highly unpredictable group stage + knockout stage (only 1 person is still alive in the pick 'em).

I do feel that last year was more exciting than this year but I don't believe that is due to the 5.18 patch. It wasn't even clear which Korean team was the strongest, in that it was unclear who was stronger between SSB and SSW. Remember that Blue had beaten White all that year so many people had not picked White to win it all. Also the Chinese teams were strong enough to be in the discussion for world championships also.

I do which that we would go back to an assassin based Mid lane meta, and I also would like to see stronger carry junglers and less emphasis on top. That being said I don't think that the patch ruined worlds, I just feel that the Koreans are better than everyone, and one Korean team seems to be much better than the others (but we'll see how it plays out!).

The Bíg TicketOct 25, 20151 votes

Lol what? Samsung White were cleare favorites to win, Blue only beat them once, in the Summer Finals before worlds. Also yes we had more picks than last year but we also have alot more champs than last year and 4 reworked champs that became broken.

KeanuCleavesOct 26, 20151 votes

Well I think my point is that SSW didn't win either champions spring nor champions summer in LCK. Also as you mentioned the last major tournament they lost to SSB, who ended up winning summer finals. I don't think it was a given that SSW was the best time entering worlds 2014. They just turned out to dominate SSB 3-0 (if I remember) in knockout rounds. I do believe that my point is valid that we didn't even know definitively what the best Korean team was pre-tournament.

In 2015 it does seem that SKT is head and shoulders above the other Korean teams, which are also significantly better than the rest of the world. It is disappointing that the China didn't show up, although I am glad that at least the EU teams did well.