It's getting annoying af to see nothing but Xayah & Kai'Sa in literally every game in Worlds

BeatzBoyFTW·Oct 27, 2019·43 votes·16,858 views

I sincerely hope Riot gets their shit together & either start nerfing some numbers, or give back some strength to highly absent ADCs.

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boricCentaur1Oct 27, 201934 votes

Kai'Sa has been close to the best adc for like 2 seasons and she needs hard nerfs.

Like it's not a case of o she is in every game in soloQ because people main her like yas it's a case of she is WAY to strong and her pro play presence shows that.

Garen is adoptedOct 28, 20191 votes

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Kai'Sa has been close to the best adc for like 2 seasons and she needs hard nerfs.

Like it's not a case of o she is in every game in soloQ because people main her like yas it's a case of she is WAY to strong and her pro play presence shows that.

She got nerfs

boricCentaur1Oct 28, 20192 votes

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She got nerfs

You mean the nerf that did basically nothing.

Garen is adoptedOct 28, 20191 votes

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You mean the nerf that did basically nothing.

Yeah.

NeobusOct 28, 201914 votes

I believe Kaisa needs the kalista treatment. >_> beign strong for two seasons, then simply thrown in the gutter :D find out who the real kaisa mains are.

HoldMyPlankOct 28, 20191 votes

Yes, we should make slows make her ult speed lower :^)

Jar Jar binks lOct 27, 201913 votes

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I sincerely hope Riot gets their shit together & either start nerfing some numbers, or give back some strength to highly absent ADCs.

WTF? I hope ur joking, Ashe has already 55% Winrate. U have to gut both of them

IF u buff any adc, they will explode and destroy soloque

QuksliceOct 27, 201911 votes

Welcome to High Elo Botlane meta, where anything other than Xayah or Kai'sa is hard trolling.

SeriphosOct 27, 20198 votes

Thats the problem. you cant ban everything. Akali, Renekton, Ryze, Kayle, Pantheon, Qiyana, Gangplank and so on... so some "op" Champs are still open. i would love to see some Ashe, Cait, Jinx or Jhin...

but thats worlds. you have some other priority bans :(

ChompyWulfOct 27, 20198 votes

Varus, Ezreal, Draven...we've also seen Corki and Trust taken mid, we've seen mages and fighters taken bot lane too.

The problems with Xayah and KaiSa are that if they are nerfed enough they aren't top priority in pro play, they will be VERY weak and almost vanish from solo Q.

Xayah has very safe harass and punishment thanks to her feather mechanics. KaiSa has crazy rundown and engage potential (and extremely safe to play in 5v5 because you can wait far back for the openings) because of her kits tools. They would require altered kits, not just numbers adjustments. This is the huge problem of LoL's roster and it having been Riots only game and 99% source of income for a decade. New champs and reworks getting more complicated, overloaded, and impossible to balance fairly.

SaezioOct 27, 201912 votes

The problems with Xayah and KaiSa are that if they are nerfed enough they aren't top priority in pro play, they will be VERY weak and almost vanish from solo Q.

Excuse me, they did it with champs that were already next to non-existant in soloq. Why is it a problem if they become the new kalistas? Also, varus was nerfed for pro reasons when his winrates in soloq were abysmal.

Riot are simply playing favourites

ChompyWulfOct 27, 20191 votes

I'm aware of Kalista being nerfed to uselessness, and I can't help but think Riot doesn't want that happening to two more adc champs. I think all three need some soft revamps to alter their kits and make them far easier to balance.

SaezioOct 27, 20199 votes

It just so happened that the ones with huge pick rates are the ones untouched by nerfs. Meanwhile kalista varus with trash pickrates are not a problem to gut, kinda the same with kog.

Hot chicks can't be nerfed cause they sell skins. Ahri Kaisa Xayah

ChompyWulfOct 28, 20191 votes

Yeah, can't nerf them and MUST prioritize skins for them over older champs who haven't gotten skins for years. (Assuming the Reddit post is current, there are 14 champs who haven't had a skin release for 3 years or more) They'll probably only get minor nerfs to drop their pro play down in spring and buffs for summer/ next year's World's for highlight plays.

AhrisOct 28, 20191 votes

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It just so happened that the ones with huge pick rates are the ones untouched by nerfs. Meanwhile kalista varus with trash pickrates are not a problem to gut, kinda the same with kog.

Hot chicks can't be nerfed cause they sell skins.

Ahri got nerfed a number of time. Even when she was balanced. She got small reworks that gutted her skill ceiling and made her a beginner champ.

How is that treating them well? If ANYONE, Ryze, Yasuo, Pyke, Lux, Syndra, Vayne, etc, are more liked than Ahri.

III BAKURYU III Oct 28, 20194 votes

Riot is in a pickle to feed the masses of female (E-Girls) of/for female skins. Have you noticed everything is female based for the past year!? Cinematics have lately just been the 'Power of Females' Ever since Rito got into trouble with the farting in faces and such it's been so.

To ask Riot to nerf Kaisa Xayah is to:

Be sexist
Riot doesn't nerf damage! LOL If anything they'll just "nerf" them by buffing them in some way. -7 AD at levels 1-2 but +90 at level 5 will most likely be done by Rito.

BrokenRayquazaOct 28, 20191 votes

Akali

Crescent DuskOct 28, 20194 votes

Who knew, the strongest and most potent scaling and valuable teamfighting class of champions with self peels to mitigate their one supposed weakness turns out to be a problem.

Which is why ADC's should have remained like Jhin/Jinx/Kog'maw in design.

Ashe is similarly immobile but they buffed up her damage so much that she can still kill you in the time of a point blank ult stun while kiting out.

They've also exacerbated the power of ADC's by giving supports stronger and stronger ways of peeling them and keeping them alive, so virtually all of the outcomes you see in worlds and in soloQ in general are about getting the bot lane ahead.

Jesi OniOct 27, 20193 votes

But they were not ban-worthy enough since pros actually played them.

Abibyama IIOct 27, 20192 votes

Nerfing the strong ones instead of buffing the weaker one is what lead to this in the first place

SaezioOct 27, 20198 votes

They never substantially nerfed kai'sa. and she has been meta in pro for like 18 months now? Kalista and Varus were always nerfed when they dared to be pick/ban in pro.

uSfUpLarryOct 28, 20192 votes

Don't forget melee champs such as Aatrox and Akali who have been nerfed to the ground because they were too good. Kaisa and Xayah have both been pick or ban for ages.

Riot loves catering to ADC mains more than any other role and have little idea on how top lane works. Only ADC mains will cry about how they don't get catered to when most of the big changes which impact the game are centered around the role of ADCs.

AhrisOct 28, 20191 votes

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Don't forget melee champs such as Aatrox and Akali who have been nerfed to the ground because they were too good. Kaisa and Xayah have both been pick or ban for ages.

Riot loves catering to ADC mains more than any other role and have little idea on how top lane works. Only ADC mains will cry about how they don't get catered to when most of the big changes which impact the game are centered around the role of ADCs.

Prob most popular role in China

uSfUpLarryOct 28, 20198 votes

Go read the last 10 or so patch notes. Most of them have twice as many buffs as nerfs.

Abibyama IIOct 28, 20191 votes

Nope

ﬂooOct 28, 20199 votes

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Nerfing the strong ones instead of buffing the weaker one is what lead to this in the first place

Have you been absent from league for the last 2-3 years?

ORB1TSOct 27, 20192 votes

What do you mean? We saw Garen Yuumi LMAO

TonyTonyMordecaiOct 28, 20191 votes

I'm embarrassed by that...

TonyTonyMordecaiOct 28, 20191 votes

It might be better to nerf the strong instead of buff the weak, so that those who haven't gotten many changes (nerfs or buffs) can be seen more often and still work.

MyrmironOct 28, 20191 votes

The main problem with Kai'Sa is that she never sucks. She is the best or close to being the best ADC in the game at all stages of the game, even during champ select because she can also go AP and balance out a full AD team. Usually Riot makes sure that ADCs have a weakness, Kai'Sa has none, that's why she's getting picked in every single pro game. I think during preseason Riot should lower her attack range to 500 and see how that plays out, maybe that'll be enough to balance her out.

only lucianoOct 28, 20191 votes

Always thought Xayah feathers should silence or disarm, not hard cc.

I illustrateOct 28, 20191 votes

Remove the ability for teammates to stack kai passive or increase evolve costs to 150. Should fix problems easily. Makes her more like Vayne where she actually has to wait to be good.

NithkeOct 28, 20191 votes

Kaisa mains on another post saying she's the weakest adc, kind of hilarious.

Aatrox EichmannNov 2, 20191 votes

its another "better nerf irelia" blunder. if they complain enough the balance team will believe them.

evolvoxOct 28, 20191 votes

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BeatzBoyFTWOct 28, 20191 votes

https://www.youtube.com/user/EpicSkillshot/videos

Show me where. At least 10 games.

GetThisBreadOct 28, 20191 votes

Aatrox, Varus, Kench, Kalista and Akali were all guttered because of proplay presence, and yet xayah and Kai'sa appear more often and they've never been touched. Why is that ?

Skins. Money.

FazerPowerZOct 28, 20191 votes

It's really just feminism at it's finest. If you take a look at the Pax West event where certain Riot Game Employees believed that Men should be playing league and not Women, really describes this company in a nutshell. They are targeting female champions because they think more men are entitled to play this game then women ever would. It's really sad and terrible but that's just how they are operating these days.

Aatrox EichmannNov 2, 20191 votes

what the fuck does game balance have to do with attraction

braum has the highest presence in the league pro scene since the beginning and he's a barechested ruski freljordian man tahm kench was once the highest played support and he's a southern catfish monster. the most frequently played adc was tentative between lucian, ezreal, varus, prenerf kalista, 2017 kog'maw, xayah rakan and vayne prior to kai'sa's release a fat dude and blind man is the most common professional jungler a golden bird god, shadow ninja, pool of blood, voidy boy and stone gargoyle have been the most dominant midlaners I really think youre just forcing social commentary into this for the fuck of it

Dingding123Oct 29, 20191 votes

They're statistically the best in their role for their sheer combined survivability and damage; something 90% of other marksmen lack. Basically they need to make everyone else safe enough to be worth playing. Even some more max hp at this point would go a long way for all the underplayed marksmen, so long as their dps isn't also completely insane.

Aatrox EichmannNov 2, 20191 votes

kai'sa will recieve a major nerf to her q next patch so hopefully that will make things better, I wish they would do more to nerf Ashe Caitlyn because the nerf to ashe was a god damn joke. highly played easy ADC with spammable AOE poke, cross map scouting on a 30 second cd, OP lane ult and auto reset, slows on passive, outtrading with nothing but W while simultaneously waveclearing and slowing you so you can't trade back. and they think nerfing the manacost will stop her from having a 55% wr