How can LCS be championship if it doesn't include all modes and maps

Plasma Servant·Dec 16, 2015·3 votes·1,440 views

How can you call someone a champion if they only master ONE mode/map? That is a specialist, not a champion. The LCS ought to include all modes, all maps. At least one game from all modes should be included ... even a bots for that matter (though of course there would have to be some way to actually score it ... it isn't like it isn't going to be a win). Crystal scar, Twisted Treeline, the Rift, Howling Abyss ... they all have different tactics and strategy. Can a person be a "champion" without learning and mastering all of them? Sure, you can be a "champion" at freestyle, but there are few swimmers that just swim one stroke. Mark Spitz and Michael Phelps are champions because they hold the top spot in more events than anyone else in swimming. In Mr. Phelps case, more than any other in any person ... 18 gold medals in 3 Olympiads. Mr. Spitz won 7 gold medals in a single Olympiad. Okay, have separate "gold" medals, but at least put in the events for the other modes. The Olympics is not just a single event, how can the world championship series be so limited?

21 Comments

Deep Terror NamiDec 16, 20155 votes

It'd be like saying a pro poker player has to prove his mettle in go-fish.

your dill kingDec 16, 20154 votes

A pro poker player might have to play several kinds of poker ... blackjack, draw, 7-card stud, Texas ...

League of Legends is not just Summoner's Rift, so I can see his point.

ZED G0DDec 16, 20153 votes

Probably because 90% of their players play rift strictly. with a side of howling abyss

your dill kingDec 16, 20151 votes

I'm not so sure ... it seems that wait times are longer on the rift than in H.A. I'd image that means more people play H.A. the S.R.

Of course that could just be me ... if we posted times, we'd get an idea how long it takes. Of course for bot games it would be much quicker. Only have as many people in a game. Check and post.

TurquoiseYoshiDec 16, 20152 votes

Michael Phelps only had medals in swimming. He's a "specialist". He can really only swim. He should be able to run and throw javelins and play soccer. Swimming is probably more specialized than League SR.

SR is what the entire game is balanced for. Do you think these pros want to have to learn every single map's meta? We'll just end up with pro 3v3 players and pro Dominion players rather than every player learning all of them.

your dill kingDec 17, 20152 votes

That is an easy argument (in the debate sense) to foil ... LOL pros are specialists, even if they have to learn all modes and all maps. They don't have to play doda, COD, star citizen, WOW, Cyrsis, etc. In a sense, it is more like a Michael Phelps if they only have to learn league in all modes. He doesn't do track, javlin throw, high jump, pole vault, etc. You practically make his point for him. :D

TurquoiseYoshiDec 17, 20152 votes

I don't think you realize how difficult it is to even be a SR-only pro player. You must know the meta constantly. You're slightly behind, you lose. You must know every matchup your lane has, plus many other lane matchups. You must know how to play nearly every champion in your role to decent effectiveness. Now, multiply that by however many other modes you want them to learn. And this is without even counting in normal mechanic and teamwork training.

When all of that is there, it's maybe a little much to compare someone who swims back in forth (albeit in slightly different ways) to someone who plays every mode in League at a professional level.

your dill kingDec 18, 20152 votes

You are not a competitive swimmer. That is easy to tell from how you minimize the mechanics of swimming at Olympic class. Mark Spitz and Michael Phelps were in a class by their own because not only were they Good at one stroke, but at many ... and in different modes (mixed medley, team medley as well as just individual single stroke races).

When all of that is there, it's maybe a little much to compare someone who swims back in forth (albeit in slightly different ways) to someone who plays every mode in League at a professional level. I love the "slightly different ways" ... I literally was laughing. You have no idea how hard it is to swim at that level in different strokes. If you ever were a competitive swimmer, either you didn't take it seriously, or you weren't very good. They practice 6 to 8 hours every day without fail for years.

TurquoiseYoshiDec 18, 20153 votes

And you appear not to know pro LoL player workloads. Most of them practice for 10+ hours a day overall, counting in team scrims, watching replays, and Solo Queue to keep mechanics and learn new champions.

your dill kingDec 19, 20151 votes

I was speaking only of pool time. Looking at what they have done, going over it is not practice, but review. My wife was a swimmer at college level She didn't make the cut for the Olympic team and she was in the pool for 6 to 8 hours a day. That did not include the time reviewing the videos of her stroke, the land based exercises, the dry land coaching. She didn't make it. She couldn't keep up the effort from what she had done when she was in junior high and high school.

It might be that it is difficult, but so is any professional level sport. World class takes a lot more than just professional level (how many golf pros are there, how many of them make the Masters?)

ScryerDec 18, 20152 votes

I would agree if the other game-modes didn't suck.

your dill kingDec 19, 20151 votes

rofl. That is all the more reason to make it include all modes. Those that want to be champions don't just do what is fun, but they do all.

ScryerDec 19, 20151 votes

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rofl. That is all the more reason to make it include all modes. Those that want to be champions don't just do what is fun, but they do all.

No, because not only do they suck, they are boring to watch, as well as the fact as ARAM is rng and non-competitve. Team that gets the better champs wins. Treeline is just poorly executed smaller rift, and Dominion is just trash at this point.

Plasma ServantDec 21, 20151 votes

Making H.A. non-random or balancing champions/random selection (yes, you can balance random, it is done using math that you probably never took in school ... but it can be done, I've studied it, if you don't know how, get your graduate degree in theoretical mathematics and then come talk to me) so teams are in fact balanced would eliminate that complaint. I'd rather watch H.A. than S.R. any day.... laning is boring. H.A. removes the boring.

Ice Weasel XDec 22, 20152 votes

Do NBA playoffs include HORSE, Slam Dunk competitions, half-court versions, and 3 point shootouts? No. Those are alternate game types. All-Stars events do include some of those.
Does American football include Two-Hand Touch or Flag versions? No. Those are alternate game types.
Does the PGA Tour include mini golf or driving competitions? No. Those are alternate game types. The PGA does have a Long Drive Championship, but that is separate from the main competitions.
Does the MLB World Series include Home Run Derby, Tee Ball, Softball, or Wiffle versions? No. Those are alternate game types. All-Star events do include Home Run Derbies.
Does the LCS include Howling Abyss, Twisted Treeline, Crystal Scar, or different rulesets? No. Those are alternate game types.

ZED G0DDec 16, 20151 votes

I like how the OP downvoted everyones comment that was negative to his post lol

your dill kingDec 17, 20151 votes

Okay, how do you tell? I didn't know I could see who upvoted and who downvoted. I'd like to know for myself.

Plasma ServantDec 21, 20151 votes

Actually no, I didn't. I did down vote comment "other modes suck" mostly because it added nothing to the discussion. No thought, no logic, no reason ... and mildly offensive language. (Hopefully I never use "suck" as an adjective, but if I do, I'd expect the comment to be down voted for no other reason than the language.

MyzDec 22, 20151 votes

Because MOBA have been played on the same 5v5 map for more than 15 years now ?

There's many baseball field dimensions, yet pro players only play on one type. I understand it may seem bizarre to you due to the fact that you might be new to league of legends and / or the MOBA game genre in general, but other ''modes'' are only made to play for fun, Riot doesn't balance their items nor champions, thus it's not modes for competitive play but for ''fun'' play.

They do occasionally have ''casual'' tournaments where pro teams can compete on those maps ( for ARAM it's usually retired players tho ), but you need to understand MOBA ( league, dota ... ) are played by most fans only on the standard 5v5 maps because that's what we played 15 years ago, and that's what we'll play 15 years from now. Sure it may look stall to MMORPG / RPG fans ( sorry for the assumption, but I assume you do as you seem to think league might be slightly repetitive ), but that's what FPS or MOBA players think of MMORPGs / RPG, it's boring, too much story, too much grind ...

Just my two cents, hopefully you understand better now :)