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@All EU forum users, from a fellow EU player

Raoul··121 votes·7,614 views

Seriously, stop mocking NA for having no team making it out of group stage. Seriously, you always go "OMG, NA so asshole-like, always going NA>>>>>>EU" and now that you have the chance, YOU DO THE SAME? Seriously, What the fuck? You know what? two negative dont make one positive. I see none of your guys in Worlds. And know what? Every NA Team in these group stages would have beaten you guys XX to 0 before you could even reach 20 minutes and surrender.

Just stop being at that Level. No Team is perfect, and, yes, this time its a World Championship without NA, so what? Next time it might be without EU. And I bet my account then you would cry salty tears about NA people claiming EU is shit cause they dont made it out of groups!

Dont wnat to treated at a certain level? Then DONT DROP THAT LOW YOURSELF!

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MercuryCannons46 votes

Wow you're actually awesome. Last year when no EU teams made it out of groups it wasn't because they were bad, but now that no NA team makes it out it's because they're awful.

Lauchmelder11 votes

Sorry if that might sound insulting, but after all that pointless NA>EU spam and insults towards EU after C9 beat FNC last week you kinda deserve it. Not saying it's ok though, but Karma is a b!tch.

Pykel17 votes

im from na so i may seem biased but i say WAAAy more eu trash talking. ever time anything happened on any stream it was NA FLASH or NA ULT.

Borbland11 votes

I think both trashtalk as much as each other.

There is no good boy in the story.

pinkyblossom2 votes

Exactly, It doesn't mater.

Not being a sport as a fan is pointless. And I don't make a difference between NA trash-talker or EU trash-talker... They are all the same lame people.

Ipols1 votes

That's a meme that Na players use, also (at least the 2 I follow on stream)

Pykel1 votes

if i recall correctly oddone started it as a meme, but it escalated into trash talk.

Ipols1 votes

As far as I know, yes Oddone started it. when / If I use it (actually I never wrote that), it's not trash talk but it's referring to a common known joke with other viewers, I don't know if there are people that use it to trash talk

Pykel1 votes

if you use it in oddones chat it would be a meme, if you use it in worlds chat its trash talk, not to mention there are people who say more than just NA flash they say a lot of other things that you cant tell its not a meme.

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

Most of what I saw was west vs east hype, but that might just be bc I tend to stay on NA boards so I wouldn't have seen it spammed on EU boards if that's where it was. I'm really glad Fnatic turned things around a bit and did well. NA and EU haven't been relevant really on the worlds stage in the last few years, but Fnatic has always (well maybe w/ he exception of Moscow 5 season 2) been THE team for EU. If you look at EU impact outside of EU then it's pretty much all Fnatic through most of LOL history, so maybe given how dominant they've been they stand a chance to make a deep run after taking first in groups.

Plus, as much as I like the turn around from C9, going 0-4 is a feat on the level of their playoff run in NA.

Edit: I tried to word it this way but not sure it was clear; when I say EU was as irrelevant in terms of worlds as NA I'm counting all teams out side of Fnatic. Fnatic is THE team for EU bc if you count them then EU is a highly relevant region in international tournaments, but if you don't count them, then the region isn't that relevant. Therefore I was trying to say that Fnatic has been relevant more than all the other teams in the western regions combined probably and so I'm really glad that they made it through (bc they have a good shot at going on and if they lost to AHQ and C9 beat IG then Fnatic could have been out in the groups).

B4skerville1 votes

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Most of what I saw was west vs east hype, but that might just be bc I tend to stay on NA boards so I wouldn't have seen it spammed on EU boards if that's where it was. I'm really glad Fnatic turned things around a bit and did well. NA and EU haven't been relevant really on the worlds stage in the last few years, but Fnatic has always (well maybe w/ he exception of Moscow 5 season 2) been THE team for EU. If you look at EU impact outside of EU then it's pretty much all Fnatic through most of LOL history, so maybe given how dominant they've been they stand a chance to make a deep run after taking first in groups.

Plus, as much as I like the turn around from C9, going 0-4 is a feat on the level of their playoff run in NA.

Actually going few times into quarter finals and losing barely in BO5 vs the team that went into finals (or won it) shows they were pretty relevant, also looking title wise EU is 2nd most titled region in lol currently (again shows EU even if not fit to fight koreans were relevant)

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

I'm assuming you mean Fnatic, so correct me if I'm wrong. I added an edit to clarify what I meant. Fnatic imo is more relevant as a team than either NA or EU, and if you remove them from EU it makes EU's world presence significantly different. If EDG did well in brackets but IG and LGD didn't make even enough turn around in week 2 to look good in a couple games, I'm not sure we would talk about CN as being a strong region so much as having one strong team. OG this year is the first time that a team has looked as good as Fnatic (except maybe s2 moscow 5 in some of the IEM tournaments), so I'm not sure we would talk about EU being a relevant region at worlds if you delete Fnatic. Basically KR>CN/Fnatic>EU>NA historically at least (possibly still true).

B4skerville1 votes

Not only Fnatic, just go check some stats also... And if you remove SKT from korea their presence is also way lower, the same goes from every team/region EXEPT NA... So making hypotesis of removing 1-2 teams from region shows you just dont have any argument, as we might as well remover 100% of NA teams and we wont see any difference in their influence in Worlds

T RexHasTinyArms5 votes

What stats are you looking at? They must look very different than the worlds stats I've seen. Especially if you think that removing SKT would make the REGION of KR less of an impact. Let's break it down by region so you can see what I mean based on stats and if you don't get what I mean then you can say something (although if you don't get what I mean after I break it down it's probably me trying to discuss something that is your ideology rather than an opinion and you won't change your mind no matter what logic is used bc it's an emotional argument rather than logical one for you).

For all of this we will break it down after season 1, bc season 1 was just NA and EU really.

We'll start w/ KR given that saying KR isn't the most dominant region hands down w/out SKT is the easiest assertion to prove blatantly wrong: Season 2: Both groups are won by KR teams and both KR teams are beaten by the winner (TPA) with Azubu losing in the finals Season 3: Top 2 KR teams meet in the semi finals and go to 5 games, while CN and EU (Fnatic) meet in the other semi and go to 5 games. SKT wins the finals 3-0, and so if we remove SKT there is still Najin in the finals and they most likely still win. Season 4: SKT doesn't make it to worlds, all 3 KR teams still take 1st in their group. Najin is beaten in the quarters, but SSW and SSB stomp NA teams and basically play the "finals" match when they meet in the semi finals. Season 5: KR is the only region w/ multiple first seeds in the bracket stage, KT is one of if not the favorite team to win the tournament should SKT not be there.

KR still has a Championship (probably 2 if S3 was played out) even w/out SKT and is in every single finals match for the last 3 seasons (and let's be honest, this one too). Samsung and Najin organizations have both sent multiple teams to worlds and would likely each have a title if not for SKT. No other region can boast a strong chance to win worlds w/out their best team from the region. KR can.....

Next we'll do LMS: Season 2: TPA won as huge underdogs Season 3: all their teams were stomped Season 4: Still bad, although AHQ might have made it out of groups if they had been lucky enough to be in group B instead of TPA. Season 5: Both teams cleared groups (only region other than KR w/ no teams eliminated during group stage, but only had 2 teams and FW had easy group), but aren't likely to make it to semis

Not a strong region, and while it looks much different w/out the championship from TPA, AHQ has looked strong this season and last compared to many EU/NA teams. This region does fit the category of "if you remove" though bc they have a title in a season where CN and KR teams actually competed (Season 1 was NA vs EU and EU developed the meta we have followed since then so they crushed NA). If you remove TPA this region loses relevance.

Now CN: Season 2: Lost in quarters, still a weak region and was dominated by EU (season 2 is the best case for EU region strength) Season 3: CN develops as a region an OMG dominates groups going 7-1 to match SKT in their group. Unfortunately OMG is paired vs SHRC in the quarters and loses. IF OMG had drawn C9 or Bears they would have made semi finals most likely so my guess is CN has 2 of the top 5 teams at season 3 worlds. Season 4: 3 CN teams instead of 2 this year, they win one group and place second in 2 behind the two SS teams. CN plays one side of semis while KR plays the other. Of note is that SHRC is the CN team in the finals for a second season. Season 5: Teams implode at worlds and only EDG makes it out. EDG vs FNC looks to be a good quarters match up, but LGD and IG didn't show up until week 2.

You could argue that if you remove SHRC CN is less relevant bc that is the team that went to finals 2 times. You'd be wrong though. OMG matched SKT through groups and would have stood a good chance vs FNC if they played in the semis instead of SHRC (more of a toss up though, but since SHRC won 3-1 there would be a chance), and EDG vs OMG would have been the semis last year w/out SHRC so CN would still be finals then too. Additionally SHRC isn't around this season, but EDG has shown up big, so you can't argue that removing SHRC makes CN less of a strong region bc EDG and OMG back the roster up.

Now NA: Season 2: Not relevant (although CLG does own CLG.EU and there was the whole dig strat accidentally leaked this season if I remember right, so NA is at least relevant in names and controversy) Season 3: C9 beats maybe Bears and Gambit, but is generally not relevant here either. Season 4: FNC and LMQ probably both could have cleared the SHRC group easily if they had the TSM/SK group draw, but get knocked out in groups vs 2 semis teams (ssb and omg). TSM/C9 get stomped in quarters. C9 maybe could have beaten Najin/edg/omg if they had a good match, but most likely loses their quarter no matter the draw, and tsm definitely does. Still fairly lack luster w/ only C9 really mattering. Season 5: All eliminated, been a weak region all season.

W/out C9 NA loses any relevance they have

Now EU: Season 1: FNatic take title, although really just vs NA, it's still cool. Season 2: CLG.EU and M5 make semis. M5 looked really good, but was very different to EU teams and I did mention them earlier. Season 3: Fnatic makes Semi's, could put up a match vs a number of teams, but gmb loses to anyone except the bears imo if I remember how sloppy the games looked (been a while so maybe I'm wrong) Season 4: No team clears groups (FNC had a hard one, might have cleared in B or D) Season 5: FNC 1st in groups, OG 2nd

Other than s2 Fnatic is the only one in semis, but honestly given S2 you could argue that removing FNC isn't as big a deal to EU as removing C9 is to NA. However, I'd still argue that M5 wasn't really hyped as an EU team but rather "the russians" during season 2 and played a very different style so if you categorize them as their own thing in season 2 then what I said would hold true. It is true though looking at the data that I over estimated Fnatic's impact (they didn't even have a better record than LMQ in groups last year, and they didn't show up in S2 at all), and under estimated M5 and their connection to EU (transition to GMB and still show up for worlds as an EU team).

So yeah, I was a bit wrong about EU and Fnatic, but other than them there hasn't been a team that comes close from the west to matching CN/KR dominance, and even if you remove the top team from CN/KR they still put someone if not 2 teams in the semis and the final. Out side of the M5 run in season 2, no team has looked as close to competing w/ the east as FNC has, so I don't get why there is all this NA vs EU rivalry. It's like arguing over JV teams while Varsity is gonna play the same tournament and everyone knows it.

B4skerville1 votes

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Wow you're actually awesome. Last year when no EU teams made it out of groups it wasn't because they were bad, but now that no NA team makes it out it's because they're awful.

Yes it wasnt because they were bad, it was bacause RITO banned SK's and other teams player 1 week pre Worlds forcing them to play 3 games with subs that they didnt had time to practice. This year after the negative feedback for trying to influence the Worlds they didnt had the balls to do it again it seems. So yes it is a huge difference if your team get players banned and have to play with subs in groups like EU, or when your on normal squad and fail 80% of the time like NA did in 4 of 5 years.

A Chaotic Mind1 votes

Yes last year EU team played bad losing crucial game that they weren't suppose to lose (especially FNC broke my heart) and yes this year NA team are bad: CLG had only 1 strong game and was vs pain, TSM had no fucking clue on how to play the map after the early game and C9 had 1 stategy and when it failed they collapsed.

Anyway, as a FNC/OG fan, I was cheering for C9 in the tiebreaker. That said there is something very funny in NA failing in the groups and losing to a brazilian team after shittalking EU for the very same reason.

Niaphim14 votes

I'm so sad C9 didn't make it. My favorite NA team regardless of their performance. Was very hyped seeing them going through the gauntlet, then securing their worlds spot, and finally that 3-0 week... Even though those last losses are kind of expected (there are some fundamental problems) still they had great potential.

Savage Devi12 votes

Upvoted. I just wish this whole "Eu vs. Na" farce would just die and never come back, but unfortunately the competitive situation just adds fuel to the fire. And frankly, it's making the whole EU community look bad.

Solaxo1 votes

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Upvoted. I just wish this whole "Eu vs. Na" farce would just die and never come back, but unfortunately the competitive situation just adds fuel to the fire. And frankly, it's making the whole EU community look bad.

Also Riot not modding such stuff.

Savage Devi1 votes

Well, moderating Twitch chat is nearly impossible with so many people, and it technically doesn't break any Boards rules to start threads about it... Tough.

goldensilver099 votes

I'm still crying for Dyrus item 3070

Cicote7 votes

As a fellow EU player, I agree with you.

chriserit5 votes

You know what? Last week i made a post to stop this fight (na>eu, eu>na) and the funny thing is that i got downvoted for apparently no reason. But now that na is out of groups and appear another topic about eu>na na>eu they start upvoting and ask to stop this fight??

Sorry but they totally deserve this spam.

YCitizenSnipsY6 votes

You were probably downvoted because your from EU and only made a post asking for the NA>EU thing to stop after EU lost to NA. Its also funny that after FNC lost to C9 it was all about "unity in the west," but now that FNC beat C9 its back to the same old thing. Pretty sad since it all pretty much for none since Korea will probably win worlds again this year.

chriserit2 votes

and you are absolutely wrong ... i was asking for a ban or na > eu and eu>na from all the LoL streaming chat but no, c9 had a change to win in groups so those child (which are definitely hypocrit) prefered to not proceed with this needed change just because if c9 won they could spam "oh c9 won against #1 eu team, get shit on". but now that all na teams are out they come out crying for stop this fight?

sorry but i am totally enjoying this now... and i think that you can understand why.

and anyway just because i have seen your icon http://oddshot.tv/shot/riot-games-20151011141241454

even your player got this additude.... just to confirm what i am saying.

ps: still totally ok to have this fight end up

YCitizenSnipsY2 votes

That would actually make me right, you only consider it poor sportsmanship when EU looses but are enjoying it now that they are winning.

No one asked to "stop the fight" just because NA is out of the tournament, there is still an NA>EU thread going around right now. In fact as I said earlier the only time you ever see threads that ask for the rivalry to "end" is when EU has a slip up.

I didn't look at the oddshot link but I'm assuming by what you said its the video of Hai giving the finger, and if that really upset you, please dissociate yourself from everything competitive because you are far too sensitive for it.

chriserit2 votes

That would actually make me right, you only consider it poor sportsmanship when EU looses but are enjoying it now that they are winning.

nope. i am enjoying it now just because till yesterday they was doing the same exact thing but now they cry about it. it's like if one day u see a child bullying another child. then the next day the brother of the bullied guy come with him to school and counter bully him. again i would totally enjoy seeing this even if i am against bullism.

No one asked to "stop the fight" just because NA is out of the tournament,

and remember me, when did ppl started to cry about it? today after groups ended. not a single thread came out yesterday or earlier.

there is still an NA>EU thread going around right now.

show me 1 of them that has been written after groups ended.

In fact as I said earlier the only time you ever see threads that ask for the rivalry to "end" is when EU has a slip up.

again. seems that this "end the rivalry" came out just after groups ended. show me otherwise if i am wrong. if not you clearly are wrong.

I didn't look at the oddshot link but I'm assuming by what you said its the video of Hai giving the finger, and if that really upset you, please dissociate yourself from everything competitive because you are far too sensitive for it.

yes was about it and even if you try to act like if i am too sensitive ...you too know that this is a childish attidute and should not be done by a professional player.

YCitizenSnipsY2 votes

How many times are you gonna confirm for me that you only enjoy it when your not on the receiving end of it. You only wanted it to stop when EU lost but enjoy it when EU win, and you had the nerve to call others hypocrites. People were asking for the EU>NA thing to stop all last week when C9 were 3-0 and first in their division, and making threads like its the "West vs East." And seriously stay away from competitive things, I don't even know why that has you all caught in your feelings when you come from EU who have a history of poor sportsmanship and racism.

Capt Winters1 votes

Man i feel bad for you 'Muricans, can't accept simple facts. I was seeing crazy "NA>EU" and "D2 penta never forget" spam in twitch chat just at the beginning of the 2nd week of worlds, did not really see any threads on the front page talking about this. But now if NA gets bullied by mean "EU>NA" and "0-10 never forget" comments its QQ time item 3070 Karma is a bitch. The sensitive one here is you. And don't bother answering to me, i don't really feel like spending all night arguing about retarded things with you. Facts just happen to be... you know... facts.

Gunslinger7446 votes

Actually, Cosmic radiation and debris will by now have eroded the colors of this flag and turned it white.

Good job America, you surrendered the moon to the aliens.

Chromatic Eagle3 votes

When has NA ever dissed EU first? It's always EU > NA. NA stay fat and bad. NA saltiest region. Only time I've seen NA do it is after EU fans spam it.

Gaxx D4 votes

Then you haven't watched the forums. It's the same story every season, right before the worlds NA starts shittalking EU, trying to make their teams look better than they actually are. Fun thing is, before last worlds NA almost didn't talk shit beforehand, and lookie lookie, they did better than EU. Looks like karma's a bitch after all.

iainB852 votes

EU is just as bad. If you honestly believe it's one sided you are more biased than you will ever admit to.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

In my experience, if you read twitch chat you're constantly spammed with EU > NA. For all I know NA does it on the forums out of revenge.

Gaxx D1 votes

Yes, because you don't get spammed by NA>EU on twitch? First of all, you shouldn't even read it - you won't find anything smart there, and secondly it's the same for both NA and EU. I'm not defending EU players spamming shit like that, but NA players do exactly the same. You shoulda seen what happened last year after EU teams failed to advance outta the group. Noone's without a fault here.

TNHA Baritone3 votes

To the players who do this:

I dont care about where you're from or what side you're representing. We're all humans and thus we're all apart of the same team so I'm not sure why people feel the need to split off.

Eclectic 0ne3 votes

Then DONT DROP THAT LOW YOURSELF!

You mean like... giving the middle finger to someone who's pointing out, once asked, as professionally as he can, how repetitive and predictable your picks are being after the 1st week?

Well, there's no need to, really, specially once you get fisted on the next game cause of said issues.

Madra3 votes

Well, I don't care what EU people are saying; I'm still rooting for the LCS teams from across the pond. This Worlds is not being played on a competitively valid patch; I think it's hard to judge overall regional strength based off of the results of it. They are going to have to buckle down and really work on balancing the game better, but by then, the damage will have already been done. Unfortunately, I really don't think the irresponsibility of the LoL balance/patch team will hurt the reputation of the LoL E-Sports scene as much as it should.

NA placed too much value in the Tristana pick; and didn't have huge, consistent play from their top laners. The top lane/jungle synergy wasn't as developed for the NA teams; and the bottom lane strategies of NA was pretty easy to dissect. Even the best ADC in the world didn't make it out of groups. I honestly feel that Team Impulse and Team Liquid would have both adapted to the patch changes better than TSM, C9 and CLG; and Gravity probably would have been able to innovate better. I just hope that Riot reflects back on the poor decisions they've made leading up to Worlds and take steps to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

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Stars Shaper5 votes

I guess you'll be on first line when there will be the need to use the weapons ain't you?

Keep playing the "cool kid" role from your comfortable sofa eating cheesburgers like I eat peanuts.

Drugoth2 votes

Hey man, no NA in quarterfinals? Yeah I'm depressed about it. Do I need EUW to be dicks about it right now? No.

Thank you OP I agree with you 100% it's okay to display pride when you win but to be douchey about others failing is just not cool at all.

I will however continue to maintain hope that one day, NA will bring home the cup. I will keep cheering them on until the end of time!

BoxOfDOG2 votes

NA gets WAY more crap than any other region. In twitch chat making a bad play is equivocal to an "NA play" and a good play everyone spams "#EU plays"

During an NA game people spam bored emotes and EU>NA, but when the entire region is dominated by one team instead of 4 different ones, no one cares. By far, we're the most hated region. The only reason anyone said NA>EU is because of the vitriol we have to deal with every time our favorite team goes up to play.

Raoul6 votes

Lets be honest here, when it comes to unjustified and just straight out arrogant patriotism, noone beats USA...

staticX262 votes

Multiply two negative and you get one positive. TahmKench

OmegaKraid2 votes

NA claims they are better than EU. EU claims they are better than NA.

When CLG EU were the only team left and Season 3 with Fnatic, Majority of NA supported the EU teams. While dealing with League friends last week irl when I mentioned I played on NA every now and then, they asked me "What is it like to play with the better players?"

Rivalries happen. Of course there's going to be trash talk between EU and NA. When one region falls usually, the other supports it. It's sad to see the opposite happening this time around. Personally I don't share the same nationalism as most people, infact I want a 'Foreign Team' to win. However NA have supported us in EU in the past but I barely see EU support NA.

Actually kind of makes me ashamed in a weird way. Yes, NA do trash on EU, but everyone should be better than they claim to be.

Sasogwa2 votes

I like to think of the EU>NA / NA>EU with some jokes like fun trashtalking but people don't really mean it, it's kinda like in other sports where u support a team and say the other one sucks. But some take it far too seriously and go insult other people over that, and this is problematic.

Dessem1 votes

I thought the NA vs EU rivalry was just a joke? People actually take that shit serious?

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