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i think NA might be the best region right now

QuadraBananas·5/17/2019, 5:06:47 PM·2 votes·1,980 views

skt 3-0 final IG 3-0 final G2 3-0 final (kinda 6-0)

so we already know that skt IG and G2 are way stronger than the second best team in their region, but for NA...

TL 3-2 tsm in finals because of szen being alone near the scarner... so they barely won finals because of a fuk up on enemy adc

tsm 3-2 C9 again another close match.

i think C9 would have also went 2-3 vs TL

our top team is in the msi final vs other top team. our region got 3 big team while other region only have 1.

Tl stopped sucking internationally and C9 alway do well at world. if tsm stop fuking up on international i think we will be the only region with 3 super team rather than 1

edit: ok, let me rectify my point

1: TL isnt best team in world, but they certainly doing great, they dont suck anymore internationally. 2: skt - IG -G2 were the best team in their region by FAR (especially G2) 3: TL, tsm and c9 are aprox same strenght right now

im not saying c9/tsm/tl can beat skt/ig/g2 whenever they want. just that if you sent 3 team of each region, NA third and second seat could do really well (just like TL right now) while Jd gaming origen and griffin would most definitly get beat up by the rest.

team liquid ; didnt read first of korea china and EU might beat first of NA in term of skill, but they all got only 1 big team, while Na got 3 that are just slightly under

edit 2 (since edit 1 didnt seem clear enaugh)

i am NOT claiming that c9 and tsm would beat any of the team at msi. im saying that c9 and tsm are most probably better right now than

jd gaming + funplus phoenix griffin + kingzone origen + fnatic

i am not saying that our 3 team are all better than other region nbr 1, just that other region seem to have 1 huge team and way below are other team, while we got 3 big team (just under the nbr 1 of other region)

edit 3 : just a little add on

even if griffin would be stronger and they just choked, still make them lose the bo5. if they choked in a world tournament quarter finals vs smaller team, it still count

choking under pressure and inconsistency are things that need to be counted when you chek someone's strenght.

if i am so good that im able to 1v5 pentakill skt, but only if im in a very specific situation, im still not the best player in the world because of that restriction.

tl:dr (griffin choke best of 5, its a flaw that you shouldnt ignore, they lost because of it)

26 Comments

XJ999999999999995/17/2019, 5:09:59 PM1 votes

winning can be luck as well. just because a team wins something doesn't mean they are "the best". they just won

QuadraBananas5/17/2019, 6:03:22 PM1 votes

luck didnt help griffing origen and JD gaming

GeminiRune5/17/2019, 6:03:22 PM1 votes

Whoa let's not get too carried away...

G Master Hung5/17/2019, 7:41:16 PM1 votes

Just because we had good runs and had a massive upset, doesn't mean we're the best region as a whole.

Dr Poro5/17/2019, 8:37:17 PM1 votes

Is NA > China or did IG just fuck up horribly and not pay respect to TL in preparation of this match?

I'm so excited to see NA in the finals (and hopefully vs EU) but you're still long way home from calling NA > rest. One best of five doesn't proof everything. If NA wins MSI (and if they play like today I believe they might), then you can say they're the best at that moment. Doesn't mean that'll still be the case 2 patches later.

Nik Nikerson5/17/2019, 8:54:55 PM1 votes

I don't really buy that. Griffin are choke artists, but everyone acting like they were never that good are suffering from recency bias. Yeah, they shit the bed against SKT, but that doesn't make them bad, or unable to compete at a high level.

And I'm calling BS on the TSM and C9 are as good as Liquid bit. Liquid was clearly the better team all split, up until they fucked around in meaningless games because they had already secured first place with TWO WEEKS TO GO. TSM looked absolutely mediocre for the first half of the split, and C9 never beat Liquid. There is a decent enough gap between Liquid and the rest of NA, regardless of whatever TSM and C9 fanboys want to say.

QuadraBananas5/18/2019, 7:13:25 PM1 votes

i think considering the belt change side after a lost in any best of 1 is really weird... but ok

G Master Hung5/17/2019, 9:25:26 PM1 votes

Thing is though. TSM wasn't the better team. TL literally dominated all split and while TSM did well the second half I don't believe that TSM as a team, in general, was better. Also, Griffin has been known to choke under pressure and serious competition. And EU wasn't really a competition G2 has PERKZ CAPS AND JANKOS.

GrãñðmãstêrShãçø5/17/2019, 9:40:45 PM1 votes

for fun region ;)

GeminiRune5/18/2019, 1:28:34 AM1 votes

Yknow this just dawned on me here. IG were also the holder of the Unofficial World Title until their loss vs SKT....welp!

Snowbrand5/18/2019, 12:12:05 PM1 votes

lul

ModPrandine5/17/2019, 9:04:28 PM

I wouldn't go that far. Sure TL looked good in their win vs. IG, but that was in one bo5 against a team known for their over-aggression, and they technically had practice against that style of play when they faced Phong Vu Buffalo (aka mini-IG) earlier on in the tournament*. Not only that but even Doublelift admitted that they lost steam during game 3, which might explain why they foolishly left Leblanc unbanned in game 3 when they had been banning it in games prior (kudos to them for rectifying that in game 4 but still though that shouldn't have happened in the first place). Will they win MSI? I'm not willing to say that they will yet. If they do then great, but they'll have to really pull out all the stops against whoever they face (most likely SKT) in order to do so.

*On a side note I still feel that PVB should have beaten IG in their first meet-up. If memory serves they had a pushing wave and/or a ward in the top side of IGs base with an inhibitor (and iirc the top nexus turret) down, so in theory if they had 2-man TPed into the base then PVB should have been able to push for the win while the rest of PVB held off IG.