i think NA might be the best region right now

QuadraBananas·May 17, 2019·2 votes·1,980 views

skt 3-0 final IG 3-0 final G2 3-0 final (kinda 6-0)

so we already know that skt IG and G2 are way stronger than the second best team in their region, but for NA...

TL 3-2 tsm in finals because of szen being alone near the scarner... so they barely won finals because of a fuk up on enemy adc

tsm 3-2 C9 again another close match.

i think C9 would have also went 2-3 vs TL

our top team is in the msi final vs other top team. our region got 3 big team while other region only have 1.

Tl stopped sucking internationally and C9 alway do well at world. if tsm stop fuking up on international i think we will be the only region with 3 super team rather than 1

edit: ok, let me rectify my point

1: TL isnt best team in world, but they certainly doing great, they dont suck anymore internationally. 2: skt - IG -G2 were the best team in their region by FAR (especially G2) 3: TL, tsm and c9 are aprox same strenght right now

im not saying c9/tsm/tl can beat skt/ig/g2 whenever they want. just that if you sent 3 team of each region, NA third and second seat could do really well (just like TL right now) while Jd gaming origen and griffin would most definitly get beat up by the rest.

team liquid ; didnt read first of korea china and EU might beat first of NA in term of skill, but they all got only 1 big team, while Na got 3 that are just slightly under

edit 2 (since edit 1 didnt seem clear enaugh)

i am NOT claiming that c9 and tsm would beat any of the team at msi. im saying that c9 and tsm are most probably better right now than

jd gaming + funplus phoenix griffin + kingzone origen + fnatic

i am not saying that our 3 team are all better than other region nbr 1, just that other region seem to have 1 huge team and way below are other team, while we got 3 big team (just under the nbr 1 of other region)

edit 3 : just a little add on

even if griffin would be stronger and they just choked, still make them lose the bo5. if they choked in a world tournament quarter finals vs smaller team, it still count

choking under pressure and inconsistency are things that need to be counted when you chek someone's strenght.

if i am so good that im able to 1v5 pentakill skt, but only if im in a very specific situation, im still not the best player in the world because of that restriction.

tl:dr (griffin choke best of 5, its a flaw that you shouldnt ignore, they lost because of it)

26 Comments

XJ99999999999999May 17, 20191 votes

winning can be luck as well. just because a team wins something doesn't mean they are "the best". they just won

QuadraBananasMay 17, 20191 votes

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winning can be luck as well. just because a team wins something doesn't mean they are "the best". they just won

true true... but its not like IG played badly, its that TL played really well, and even if we assume its luck and TL is just 4th place, still make NA the only region with 3 Team that stand a chance vs IG

Nik NikersonMay 17, 20191 votes

The transitive property doesn't apply here. Just because Liquid beat IG, and TSM beat Liquid (in the regular season), doesn't mean TSM would beat IG.

BigBellBruteMay 17, 20191 votes

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winning can be luck as well. just because a team wins something doesn't mean they are "the best". they just won

The team YOU or I or others may think is better doesn't always win. But games are not played on paper. Nor are they played in your mind or my mind. This morning TL was the better team. They were clearly the better team and that isn't even legitimately debatable.

QuadraBananasMay 17, 20191 votes

luck didnt help griffing origen and JD gaming

GeminiRuneMay 17, 20191 votes

Whoa let's not get too carried away...

ChompyWulfMay 17, 20192 votes

Too late apparently. Lol

G Master HungMay 17, 20191 votes

Just because we had good runs and had a massive upset, doesn't mean we're the best region as a whole.

Dr PoroMay 17, 20191 votes

Is NA > China or did IG just fuck up horribly and not pay respect to TL in preparation of this match?

I'm so excited to see NA in the finals (and hopefully vs EU) but you're still long way home from calling NA > rest. One best of five doesn't proof everything. If NA wins MSI (and if they play like today I believe they might), then you can say they're the best at that moment. Doesn't mean that'll still be the case 2 patches later.

Nik NikersonMay 17, 20191 votes

I don't really buy that. Griffin are choke artists, but everyone acting like they were never that good are suffering from recency bias. Yeah, they shit the bed against SKT, but that doesn't make them bad, or unable to compete at a high level.

And I'm calling BS on the TSM and C9 are as good as Liquid bit. Liquid was clearly the better team all split, up until they fucked around in meaningless games because they had already secured first place with TWO WEEKS TO GO. TSM looked absolutely mediocre for the first half of the split, and C9 never beat Liquid. There is a decent enough gap between Liquid and the rest of NA, regardless of whatever TSM and C9 fanboys want to say.

G Master HungMay 17, 20191 votes

Thing is though. TSM wasn't the better team. TL literally dominated all split and while TSM did well the second half I don't believe that TSM as a team, in general, was better. Also, Griffin has been known to choke under pressure and serious competition. And EU wasn't really a competition G2 has PERKZ CAPS AND JANKOS.

GrãñðmãstêrShãçøMay 17, 20191 votes

for fun region ;)

GeminiRuneMay 18, 20191 votes

Yknow this just dawned on me here. IG were also the holder of the Unofficial World Title until their loss vs SKT....welp!

QuadraBananasMay 18, 20191 votes

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Yknow this just dawned on me here. IG were also the holder of the Unofficial World Title until their loss vs SKT....welp!

what?

GeminiRuneMay 18, 20191 votes

This. SKT holds it. But the tournament winner leaves with it as well.

SnowbrandMay 18, 20191 votes

lul

QuadraBananasMay 18, 20191 votes

i think considering the belt change side after a lost in any best of 1 is really weird... but ok

MakJuiceMay 18, 20191 votes

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i think considering the belt change side after a lost in any best of 1 is really weird... but ok

yeah it is weird and they are wrong so don't worry about it.

Whoever wins the tournament in a sense gets the crown, but the more realistic thing is whoever wins worlds this year takes the crown from them and not who knocks them out from the tournament.

ModPrandineMay 17, 2019

I wouldn't go that far. Sure TL looked good in their win vs. IG, but that was in one bo5 against a team known for their over-aggression, and they technically had practice against that style of play when they faced Phong Vu Buffalo (aka mini-IG) earlier on in the tournament*. Not only that but even Doublelift admitted that they lost steam during game 3, which might explain why they foolishly left Leblanc unbanned in game 3 when they had been banning it in games prior (kudos to them for rectifying that in game 4 but still though that shouldn't have happened in the first place). Will they win MSI? I'm not willing to say that they will yet. If they do then great, but they'll have to really pull out all the stops against whoever they face (most likely SKT) in order to do so.

*On a side note I still feel that PVB should have beaten IG in their first meet-up. If memory serves they had a pushing wave and/or a ward in the top side of IGs base with an inhibitor (and iirc the top nexus turret) down, so in theory if they had 2-man TPed into the base then PVB should have been able to push for the win while the rest of PVB held off IG.

BettnachlegerMay 17, 20191 votes

Sure TL looked good in their win vs. IG, but that was in one bo5 against a team known for their over-aggression, and they technically had practice against that style of play when they faced Phong Vu Buffalo (aka mini-IG) earlier on in the tournament*

I correct it for you:

but that was in one bo5 against a team who won worlds and was nearly unbeaten in their region / at msi

ModPrandineMay 17, 2019

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I correct it for you:

I don't watch the LPL but from what I saw in groups at this years MSI there were times where IG should have lost games, namely to PVB and to a lesser extent G2 but didn't due to those respective teams messing up when it counted (in G2s case it was overpushing and trying to end when they should've just backed off and reset). Credit to TL for stepping up when it counted in the bo5 against a team who apparently admitted that they didn't take the tournament as seriously as they should have.

BettnachlegerMay 17, 20191 votes

a team who apparently admitted that they didn't take the tournament as seriously as they should have.

Is that true? Meh

ModPrandineMay 17, 2019

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Is that true? Meh

I heard it mentioned in a video that one of the IG players said in an interview after the match that they didn't take the tournament as seriously as they probably should have. I haven't seen the interview myself but take from that what you will.

hshtagniemehrcduMay 18, 20191 votes

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I heard it mentioned in a video that one of the IG players said in an interview after the match that they didn't take the tournament as seriously

Dont know about you, but making such a claim after you just lost a Bo5 against NA seems more like a pitiful attempt to make NAs victory seem less exciting.

MakJuiceMay 18, 20191 votes

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I heard it mentioned in a video that one of the IG players said in an interview after the match that they didn't take the tournament as seriously as they probably should have. I haven't seen the interview myself but take from that what you will.

I take it as them being sore-losers