🏆 Worlds 2017 Quarterfinals - Day 2 | Spoilers/Discussion Thread

ModWuks·Oct 20, 2017·3 votes·988 views

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Late For TeaOct 20, 20171 votes

Analysts: "SKT will get a clean 3-0" [sg-miss-fortune]

ModWuksOct 20, 20171 votes

Analysts: "Let's see Misfits get a second win before we start talking" xd

TuplamelaOct 20, 20172 votes

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Analysts: "Let's see Misfits get a second win before we start talking" xd

Well, now they need to talk about it. XD

Even if MSF loses the series, at least they made this a game instead of just keeling over.

GeminiRuneOct 20, 20171 votes

PapaSmithy: "We saw lightning strike yesterday. It's blue skies for SKT"

Those weather patterns are really something in China aren't they?

Sahn UzalOct 20, 20171 votes

This is art.

ModWuksOct 20, 20172 votes

Legit was planning on not watching the matches today. 10/10 glad I tuned in when I did.

Sahn UzalOct 20, 20171 votes

I usually don't bother with competetive League, but this. This is something else.

Late For TeaOct 20, 20171 votes

Gotta love how no one ever has any fate in EU. Analysts are always biased towards any other region but EU. So glad MSF, a team that was in challenger a year ago, is proving them wrong.

ModWuksOct 20, 20171 votes

Gee fuckin gee. We'll be entering game 4, and the stakes have never been higher.

GeminiRuneOct 20, 20171 votes

If this doesn't cement so far that SKT was the weakest of the three Korean teams coming out of the group stage, I don't know what does. There was a reality where they could have been eliminated had their comebacks never happened. This 5 powers comp (and Blank) I consider them is predictable. And it just needed a team that's absurdly willing to push the limits. No fear. No regret. It's how EDG and AHQ produced their advantages on them; it's how MSF is doing it now and it's about damn time.

Ale non è maleOct 20, 20171 votes

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If this doesn't cement so far that SKT was the weakest of the three Korean teams coming out of the group stage, I don't know what does. There was a reality where they could have been eliminated had their comebacks never happened. This 5 powers comp (and Blank) I consider them is predictable. And it just needed a team that's absurdly willing to push the limits. No fear. No regret. It's how EDG and AHQ produced their advantages on them; it's how MSF is doing it now and it's about damn time.

NOPE. As we saw, LZ was the weakest KR team coming out of groups. SKT would have turned these games around if they were playing another team playing "standard", just like they did vs EDG (also thanks to EDG throwing, but they actually played very good defense again this game vs MSF despite being basically lost at 17-20 min mark). MSF is pushing their own style of aggressive playmaking, and, regardless of the final result of the series, only SSG could beat in standard play, and no team with MSF or better quality could pull something similar off like impose their style on them (I mean, GAM and aHQ can impose their styles, but they are far weaker than MSF, and Chinese are playing quite standard so far)

GeminiRuneOct 20, 20171 votes

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NOPE. As we saw, LZ was the weakest KR team coming out of groups.

Even you said it for me: coming out of groups. That does not and did not include yesterday's match in my initial post!

Counting groups, while LZ had their own share of struggles to give a sign of weakness for them as well, there was far more glaring issues with SKT and that's what I'm looking at in this series at hand. Yes SKT is still the team they are but they have shown to be more exploitable against their unlike competition. Should their group played with more confidence and less abandon, they wouldn't even be in this match. Just count the miraculous defenses and outstanding comebacks and say they never happened. You could see it yourself.

Ale non è maleOct 20, 20171 votes

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Even you said it for me: coming out of groups. That does not and did not include yesterday's match in my initial post!

Counting groups, while LZ had their own share of struggles to give a sign of weakness for them as well, there was far more glaring issues with SKT and that's what I'm looking at in this series at hand. Yes SKT is still the team they are but they have shown to be more exploitable against their unlike competition. Should their group played with more confidence and less abandon, they wouldn't even be in this match. Just count the miraculous defenses and outstanding comebacks and say they never happened. You could see it yourself.

Group B competition for LZ was just as much lower (FNC that was 2nd best team started to play good basically after going 0-4 and the second LZ game, so LZ didn't face the good version of FNC) than Group A, so the doubt that surrounded them were never tested. LZ question marks (jungle/mid combo) got exposed the first time they got tested - and ok, it's SSG, but SSG got destroyed by RNG and I think RNG would expose them as well as they played clean the entire group stage except for the game where G2 stomped them. SKT showed a lot of weakness, but also the sufficient strength to win despite that (not convincingly, but Koreans are always supposed to improve in BoX series/knockout.

PLEASE about the bolded parts. At most they lost game 1 vs EDG, EDG game 2 was a pretty clean comeback, they go at worst 4-2 (and that's assuming they do not underestimate aHQ cheese in an important game for their placements). SKT come out of the group as 1st anyway

GeminiRuneOct 20, 20171 votes

Yet the outcome of Group B didn't stop a rather large amount from saying LZ will take it all. Only thorough fan analytics could see where they win and fail. Their group did not have enough to expose that.

SSG was contested by RNG obviously. We all saw it; we know in the Group Stage they were just the better team. Of the three, they were the team that got away with the least amount of loss prevention.

SKT: The way you see it, there was at least 1 game where they got away with it. To me there were 3; probably even 4; Both EDG and AHQ games. I don't even want to go into the analysis on that. It's not worth it.

Ale non è maleOct 20, 20171 votes

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Yet the outcome of Group B didn't stop a rather large amount from saying LZ will take it all. Only thorough fan analytics could see where they win and fail. Their group did not have enough to expose that.

That's because they were still LCK Champions entering the tournaments and they showed no wekaness in group (even though the competition was low), so it was reasonable to consider them the favourties Then they get stomped by SSG, and basically this shows that they were the weakest out of groups despite their record

SSG was contested by RNG obviously. We all saw it; we know in the Group Stage they were just the better team. Of the three, they were the team that got away with the least amount of loss prevention.

And this confirmed Chinese teams being very good, more than kR being overall weak

SKT: The way you see it, there was at least 1 game where they got away with it. To me there were 3; probably even 4; Both EDG and AHQ games. I don't even want to go into the analysis on that. It's not worth it.

Nah, they got away clerarly on first EDG game, the others they played scaling comps and they actually won those other 2 games in late game from their own strength rather than other teams throwing (and they lost one vs ahQ, when they couldn't). You can't make the analaysis worthy because you have no arguments to argue that they didn't win out of their own plays rather than enemy team mistakes

GeminiRuneOct 20, 20171 votes

That's because they were still LCK Champions entering the tournaments and they showed no wekaness in group (even though the competition was low), so it was reasonable to consider them the favourties Then they get stomped by SSG, and basically this shows that they were the weakest out of groups despite their record

Please stop using Knockout Stage as your point of reference. I said at the start: coming out of groups. If you are a firm believer of SKT getting their groove in Bo5 stages all the time thus omitting the Group Stage, apply this here as well as I have been doing.

And this confirmed Chinese teams being very good, more than kR being overall weak

This was never about regional wars. Idk where this point comes from.

Nah, they got away clerarly on first EDG game, the others they played scaling comps and they actually won those other 2 games in late game from their own strength rather than other teams throwing (and they lost one vs ahQ, when they couldn't). You can't make the analaysis worthy because you have no arguments to argue that they didn't win out of their own plays rather than enemy team mistakes

You don't have many compelling arguments either. A lot of their "escape with murder" moments are riddled with the "What ifs" the enemy team had thrown out (just like this Game 4 actually). My opinion doesn't have to be yours and that shouldn't have to make either of ours right or wrong.

Ale non è maleOct 20, 20171 votes

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Please stop using Knockout Stage as your point of reference. I said at the start: coming out of groups. If you are a firm believer of SKT getting their groove in Bo5 stages all the time thus omitting the Group Stage, apply this here as well as I have been doing.

SKT coming out of groups looked weaker BUT it looked like it was mostly their fault for strategies and slightly underestimate the other teams early aggression, so it looked like they would have going to fix it given they had an "easy" path to semifinals (who was betting on MSF having those performances vs Koreans?) I had them in my pick'ems as the Worlds winner in the end

SSG lost to RNG, that's true, but RNG was scary

LZ seemed great but they weren't tested, coming out of groups they were the weakest teams even if they appeared the strongest. This is not like ROX tigers last year or KOO in S5 where they effectively were weak and then suddenly improved in knocokut stage, they likely stayed at their level and the others grew

This was never about regional wars. Idk where this point comes from.

You are making the point about how teams looked out of group stage. WE won their group, but that was the group without Koreans so the easiest to come out from as 1st place, RNG confirmed that China was overall very strong and it wasn't Korea being suddenly weak despite EDG shortcomings

You don't have many compelling arguments either. A lot of their "escape with murder" moments are riddled with the "What ifs" the enemy team had thrown out (just like this Game 4 actually). My opinion doesn't have to be yours and that shouldn't have to make either of ours right or wrong.

YOU don't have compelling arguments. The only "escape with murder" out of 4 games you mentioned was the EDG game 1 game. SKT LOST the game 2 vs ahQ, and the others were clean comebacks from SKT. Your opinion is based on false assumptions, so yes, it is wrong, because one thing is to say they looked weak early (and we agreed on that), another is that they "escaped with murder" which means they didn't deserve to win but they were somewhat able to do this for some unpredictable event (and again EDG game 1 is the only one that can fit with this definition)

CorruptedScytheOct 20, 20171 votes

My adrenaline is pumping. I'm so ready for game 4. I gotta see this!! #MSFWIN!

ModWuksOct 20, 20171 votes

Could this be the first time since Season 2 that an EULCS team takes home the Championship?

#MSFWIN

Ale non è maleOct 20, 20171 votes

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Could this be the first time since Season 2 that an EULCS team takes home the Championship?

#MSFWIN

Pump the brakes. Even if MSf do the unthinkable and take the series home, (and never count out SKt till you see the final defeat screen) Chinese teams are scaaaaary good + there is SSG that is standard KR good

ModWuksOct 20, 20171 votes

I'll admit, SSG played a DAMN good game yesterday. Either way, I look forward to seeing a different Worlds environment from what we've seen in recent years.

Ale non è maleOct 20, 20171 votes

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I'll admit, SSG played a DAMN good game yesterday. Either way, I look forward to seeing a different Worlds environment from what we've seen in recent years.

We are yet seeing it with China teams actually being competitive vs Koreans unlike past two seasons (they were better than the other regions in S6 but still Koreans were on a way whole other level compared to RNG and H2k who were the 4th and 5th teams - no order - ) This MSF is actually a very very good surprise to have

ModWuksOct 20, 20171 votes

Looks like SKT will be taking Tristana this match, forcing Misfits to change their ADC pick for game 4, and Faker will be prioritizing Ryze over Orianna. We'll see how this drafting translates into changes in each team's strategy.

ModFrom The CosmosOct 20, 20171 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/b01d80d9d74d69305519782e8c326dcc.png

ModWuksOct 20, 20171 votes

MSF WITH THE BARON, EDGING OUT SKT AND REGAINING A 1K GOLD LEAD

ModWuksOct 20, 20171 votes

SKT disengages and re-engages the fight perfectly, allowing SKT to pick up baron and once again, reset and take back their lead.

Ale non è maleOct 20, 20172 votes

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SKT disengages and re-engages the fight perfectly, allowing SKT to pick up baron and once again, reset and take back their lead.

MSF lost the game with the unnecessary dive (which wasn't a terrible play, but they couldn't execute because Wolf beautiful play). They could have just take the inhib mid down, and then the game would have been decided on the subsequent baron

ModWuksOct 20, 20171 votes

And we are indeed going to game 5

IncrediPhiLLOct 20, 20171 votes

If SKT wins game 5, I’m gonna feel super sorry for RIOT :/ They were so close to getting out from under the SKT shadow.

I can only imagine RIOT Is on their knees praying for a Misfits win so the nightmare will end.

ModWuksOct 20, 20171 votes

Dang.

GaliöOct 20, 20171 votes

That turret fight that would have swept skt. Sad days.