WTF is Going On in NA LCS?

TheGrandAlliance·Jun 14, 2015·2 votes·1,052 views

All of the Spring Split "World Hopeful" teams such as TSM and C9 are playing like Bronze SoloQ teams this split whereas the "Loser" teams such as Dignitas/Gravity are somehow moving up. Even if TSM/C9/CLG win their matches are so horrible it is hard to watch: Games last too long and have no focus. If any NA team made it to Worlds they will get wiped like TSM in MSI. Will NA ever have a brain again?

Of course... don't forget every team comp (or bans) is like an exact copy of each other:

TOP vs JUNGLE vs MID vs ADC vs SUPPORT vs

Are we thus doomed into a /EPICFAIL NA for all eternity? At least some things are certain...

EU>NA FNC FTW!

Indeed it is so...

17 Comments

PoisonedTeaJun 14, 20153 votes

IDK IDK. C9 is a little surprising the are clearly no adjusting well and Hai had more impact then we knew.

But TSM this week WTF, They played so bad it like they put a team of subs in that looked like their team.

TheGrandAllianceJun 14, 20151 votes

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But TSM this week WTF, They played so bad it like they put a team of subs in that looked like their team.

This part gets me the most. Either their subs are epic SKT grade subs or TSM....

Blu3 Blood BluesJun 14, 20151 votes

tsm's not really that good and cloud 9 lost their shot caller?

TheGrandAllianceJun 14, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Blu3 Blood Blues,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=MVgNL6eu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-06-14T21:13:45.317+0000)

tsm's not really that good and cloud 9 lost their shot caller?

Are shotcallers really that hard to come by? In theory one would hope that LCS-tier players are all relatively competent for the duty... it isn't like it is very hard compared to execution (calling is easier then doing).

Estas PerdidoJun 14, 20152 votes

Decision making is not a skill that everyone can just do especially at a high level on a consistent basis. Take the military for example. You can't just take a corpral and tell him he's now a Captain gl hf

TheGrandAllianceJun 14, 20151 votes

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Decision making is not a skill that everyone can just do especially at a high level on a consistent basis. Take the military for example. You can't just take a corpral and tell him he's now a Captain gl hf

Perhaps... alas we are talking about a video game not IRL: It doesn't that all that much skill to be able to shotcall... after all the shoutcasters do a good job of it (Phreak/Riv as examples) yet their in-game skills are soso. If they are not working on this every time in practice... IDK WTF they are doing.

In reality there isn't too much combat decisions... basically:

Whether to engage
Who/where to engage on
Conditions for Disengage/Reengage

These NA TF are just... I have seen better fights in SoloQ Bronze. The biggest problem is once they fight they don't know how to follow through. Thus if a team can survive the initial burst they have good chance upon a reengage.

In the end... this LCS not SoloQ... I would expect better from teams that hope to "achieve world victory". This isn't happening anytime soon for NA.

DracidJun 15, 20151 votes

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Perhaps... alas we are talking about a video game not IRL: It doesn't that all that much skill to be able to shotcall... after all the shoutcasters do a good job of it (Phreak/Riv as examples) yet their in-game skills are soso. If they are not working on this every time in practice... IDK WTF they are doing.

In reality there isn't too much combat decisions... basically:

Whether to engage

Who/where to engage on

Conditions for Disengage/Reengage

These NA TF are just... I have seen better fights in SoloQ Bronze. The biggest problem is once they fight they don't know how to follow through. Thus if a team can survive the initial burst they have good chance upon a reengage.

In the end... this LCS not SoloQ... I would expect better from teams that hope to "achieve world victory". This isn't happening anytime soon for NA.

lol you make it sound so simple. knowing the exact time when to go in is a lot harder then you think. Its easy to judge them when we watch them but when you're the one in the middle of the game and your call is what makes you win or lose, its not always going to be easy or right

PoisonedTeaJun 14, 20151 votes

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Decision making is not a skill that everyone can just do especially at a high level on a consistent basis. Take the military for example. You can't just take a corpral and tell him he's now a Captain gl hf

very well said I believe the same.

Blu3 Blood BluesJun 14, 20151 votes

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Are shotcallers really that hard to come by? In theory one would hope that LCS-tier players are all relatively competent for the duty... it isn't like it is very hard compared to execution (calling is easier then doing).

obviously not since nobody has any good oens.

TheGrandAllianceJun 14, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Blu3 Blood Blues,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=MVgNL6eu,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2015-06-14T22:42:03.666+0000)

obviously not since nobody has any good oens.

Indeed... very true in NA alas: I wonder what purpose coaches exist in this game therefore...

Blu3 Blood BluesJun 15, 20151 votes

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Indeed... very true in NA alas: I wonder what purpose coaches exist in this game therefore...

coaches dont just teach about the macro game play they do other things as well and alot of the coaches dont actually understand whats going there are 5 steps concepts ideas math the map theory

most of these coaches (not including Loco,Scarra,Ls) they dont understand the concept, they dont understand the theorys, they understand the map, they understand the math, and they sort of understand the ideas. They have half of what they need.

TheGrandAllianceJun 15, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Blu3 Blood Blues,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=MVgNL6eu,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-06-15T01:15:22.263+0000)

most of these coaches (not including Loco,Scarra,Ls) they dont understand the concept, they dont understand the theorys, they understand the map, they understand the math, and they sort of understand the ideas. They have half of what they need.

Indeed very good points alas IDK how the coaches will ever get better it is so...

Blu3 Blood BluesJun 15, 20151 votes

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Indeed very good points alas IDK how the coaches will ever get better it is so...

They just need the ability to see all of that or to find others that do have the ability to like Loco like Ls .

SHinji11Jun 14, 20151 votes

Seeing as EU was not relevant for a little over a year NA has some time to try and find itself. NIce to see Eu finally find itself after being trash tier for so long.

TheGrandAllianceJun 14, 20152 votes

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Seeing as EU was not relevant for a little over a year NA has some time to try and find itself. NIce to see Eu finally find itself after being trash tier for so long.

LoL IDK what game you have been watching... alas EU has ALWAYS been greater then NA even since Season 1 (who won that again?)...

Smart KittyJun 15, 20151 votes

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LoL IDK what game you have been watching... alas EU has ALWAYS been greater then NA even since Season 1 (who won that again?)...

Not always m8

TheGrandAllianceJun 15, 20151 votes

UPdate: The CLG/NME game was.......................................

And this is from first place team CLG. Again another 40+ min match... coming down to a 5th dragon fight that decided this. Absolutely no way any NA teams can survive vs the Asian invasion.