Can LMS finally have 3 seeds now?

The Bíg Ticket·Oct 11, 2015·14 votes·2,593 views

I mean they are clearly better than NA and probably on the same level as EU and China, so why do they have 2 seeds only when NA who never achieved anything get 3?

76 Comments

TeslynOct 11, 20153 votes

you laced your 'fact' with a 'opinion'.

but please use the EUW boards for future NA bashing. it should be taken better in your own house then coming here to complain

The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20154 votes

How is that complaining lol? So you don't think it is fair to give LMS 3 seeds?

YCitizenSnipsYOct 11, 20152 votes

Last year when no EU team made it out of groups and lost to a wildcard they didn't take a spot from them for this tournament so I can't imagine they doing that to NA now. I think LMS do deserve to have a third spot, but if you think they will get it by taking away one from NA then I have some bad news for you.

The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20154 votes

Cause EU has historically been very good, having 1 World Champion and 3 Semifinalists in the first 3 worlds, NA never made it further than Quarters.

YCitizenSnipsYOct 11, 20151 votes

So? Riot is an NA company and NA has a larger fan base than EU despite being the worse of the two. You really think that their about make a change to hurt the NA scene? Also EU hasn't been "very good" historically at worlds, they haven't won a semi final match since season 1, just because they loose a little later in the tournament on average isn't much to be proud about.

The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20154 votes

NA has a larger fanbase? Since when?

EU had 1 or more teams in the top 4 at every single worlds except Season 4, I would say that is pretty good, Korea is the only other region to have accomplished that.

YCitizenSnipsYOct 11, 20151 votes

Since always, NA always gets more views, and coverage. They also manage to compete in arena's like the Staples Center and Madison Square Garden.

Nobody cares about a "top 4" finish if you still lost. Hell Royal Club made it to the finals two straight years, nobody is crediting them since they lost twice.

The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20153 votes

Of course they get credit for that, why do you think we saw Uzi in the "Legends Rising" series by Riot? Cause he made 2 straight finals in a row. WHy do you think we had Diamondprox drawing the quarterfinals today? Cause Moscow 5 was the best team in the world in Season 2 and Diamond is a legend, same goes for Alex Ich who still gets all that recognition and fame. Why did Tabe get invited to the Analyst Desk for worlds? Might be because he is the only Asian player who can actually speak english but he was also part of that Royal Club team that made the finals in Season 3.

YCitizenSnipsYOct 11, 20152 votes

"M5 best team in the world in season 5", relevant flair.

You might as well go back to the EU boards and circlejerk there because NA isn't loosing a spot in the tournament. But since you care so much about the LMS region I'm sure you wouldn't mind starting a petition to have your own region forfeit one of its spots for them.

The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20152 votes

Lol what? M5 was the best team in the world in Season 2, I don't know if you watched LoL back then but they won nearly every international tournament, constantly beating the Koreans and were heavy favorites to win worlds before TPA upset them in the Semis.

You don't evne have any arguments to bring to the table, just stop your trolling.

YCitizenSnipsYOct 11, 20152 votes

I don't care about other international tournaments, they lost the one that counts. And being the best in season 2 meant nothing in season 3.

I don't have an argument? NA not loosing a spot at worlds because of the popularity of the region and the company being based out of NA seems pretty clear to me.

Also lol at being called a troll by some one trolling right now, I'm gonna need you to do better.

The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20152 votes

It means that they still get a lot of respect for that, which is the point we discussed, you can't even follow your own arguments. Moscow 5 and its players (Genja, Alex Ich and DIamond) all get huge credit cause people who watched LoL back then remember how they stomped everyone. This goes for Royal Club too, they earned alot of respect by making 2 finals in a row.

Football (Soccer) is very popular in South America, yet they have the same amount of seeds at World Championships as North America an Africa. Just because NA has slightly more fans than other regions (maybe) doesn't mean they deserve to have the same amount of seeds or even more seeds in the case with LMS as regions that actually performed at worlds. NA has never been important, they never had a good player and never had a good team. And if you are talking about popularity, EUW alone has a more players than NA, so has Korea and it is not even close. Shouldn't they get more seeds then?

YCitizenSnipsYOct 11, 20151 votes

No one considered Royal Club the second best team in either season 3 or 4. They consider them lucky to make it all the way to the finals without facing a Korean team and being knocked out sooner. Because as of now that's the only thing that contributes to climbing in a worlds tournament is when you have to play the Koreans. Also the exact same M5 line up that were "stomping" season 2 couldn't do shit in season 3 when real competition came around, only M5/Gambit fanboys regard that organization that highly.

The other regions may have more players but they are certainly not more popular than NA. Performance in any given year doesn't reflect how many spots a region is given at worlds, last year no LMS team made it past groups. You can get as salty as you like but Riot isn't about to hurt its biggest fan base just because you don't like them.

And did you really just compare football to LoL, worst reach I've ever seen.

The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20152 votes

The exact Samsung White lineup that won S4 worlds dominating everyone, the exact same lineup minus Pawn (Dade was playing instead of him back then) went 0-2 vs FNC and 1-2 vs Gambit in the S3 worlds groupstage. You can't compare teams in different seasons, Moscow 5 dominated Season 2, they are still known and highly respected for their innovatie strategies and beating up on the Koreans, anyone who watched LoL in Season is gonna confirm that.

AHQ forced a tiebreaker in a group with Samsung White and EDG last worlds, no NA team could dream of that lol. Riot doesn't have to hurt the NA fans but even if they do they wouldn't care cause most of their money they make from players comes outside of NA since the Korean, Chinese and European servers are much bigger than NA. Just give LMS 3 seeds, there is no reason they should have less seeds than NA.

YCitizenSnipsYOct 11, 20151 votes

I don't even know why I'm bothering with a troll but I'll see you in season 6 When NA has 3 teams at worlds.

The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20151 votes

Yup, as expected you can't bring any arguments to the table.

YCitizenSnipsYOct 11, 20151 votes

There is no argument to be had, NA is not loosing a spot at worlds no matter how much you hate the region. Stay salty my friend

YCitizenSnipsYOct 11, 20151 votes

There is no argument to be had, NA is not loosing a spot at worlds no matter how much you hate the region. Stay salty my friend

C9 Scott Free Oct 11, 20152 votes

Wouldn't have lost if they were the best.

B4skervilleOct 11, 20151 votes

Damn every one of your arguments was made invalid (as eu is 2nd or 3rd most titled region in world from 6 currently) and you still argue... NA was, is and probably will be long time the worst, they have poor player base when compared to EU ect ect, there is no reason for them to have 3 places when they NEVER EVEN ONCE PERFORMED DECENTLY IN WORLDS OR ON OTHER MAIN EVENTS LIKE IEM HAD SINGLE ACHIEVEMENTS in 5 years ect

YCitizenSnipsYOct 11, 20151 votes

What argument was made invalid, that EU has only won one worlds or that NA isn't loosing a spot in worlds?

B4skervilleOct 11, 20151 votes

And yet they are the 2nd or max 3rd region with the best resoults in world, where NA from 5 years is the worst one. So my arguments are valid, yours not

YCitizenSnipsYOct 11, 20151 votes

You're statement doesn't make either thing I said false, do you even English bro?

B4skervilleOct 11, 20152 votes

Naaa its just raw statiscits - something that determines if a region is succesfull or not... Seems EU is, NA never was - and you as a butt hurt Murican cant accept it your region is the worst in the world currently (looking at stats)

C9 Scott Free Oct 11, 20151 votes

My state probably has a population higher than your country. The 5 largest countries in the world are India and China both breaking one billion Us at 330 million, Canada with 33 million and Brazil with like 7 million or something like that. You would have to be pretty stupid to not know NA would have more fans.

Gaxx DOct 12, 20152 votes

And yet KR, EU and CN all have bigger playerbase than NA. Also, even if you lived in California, which is the state with highest population in the entire USA (also you should do some research on EU countries in terms of population before you post your bs) my country still has higher population, and I don't even live in one of the biggest European countries (like Germany, France or England). Excluding LMS, NA has the smallest playerbase outta all major regions.

C9 Scott Free Oct 12, 20151 votes

I did exaggerate a bit but go look up the top 50 most populous countries. Literally the five highest EU countries are needed to equal US and thats ignoring the fact that USA isn't all of NA your claim of having a higher player base is highly illogical when it takes your five largest countries to equal one of ours.

Gaxx DOct 12, 20151 votes

And yet it's the truth. The numbers have been posted many times before. And while I do realize, that USA is a huge country, the consoles are more popular than PC gaming (just like they are in Japan), that's why the player base is lowest outta all of the major regions.

LankPantsOct 12, 20151 votes

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I did exaggerate a bit but go look up the top 50 most populous countries. Literally the five highest EU countries are needed to equal US and thats ignoring the fact that USA isn't all of NA your claim of having a higher player base is highly illogical when it takes your five largest countries to equal one of ours.

Do you know how population density works? Sure countries in Europe have smaller populations than the USA, they also have around 1/50th of the land mass. When you sum the countries together you get a huge number, more than twice the population of the United States in a similarly sized land mass.

And EU does have the largest playerbase of any server, that's not arguable, it's a fact. There are more players on EUW than on NA, denying that is illogical, there's twice as many people living in Europe to play. That and EUW was the first region to reach 2^32 games played, which as people learnt screws around with spectator mode.

NejraKOct 12, 20151 votes

You are right sir. USA is actually more popullated than every country in Europe. The problem is though, that all Europian countries are included in the EU region (except Turkey). So when we compare population for player base in the 2 regions. We should compare the USA, Canada (mexico?) with all the Europian countries.

LankPantsOct 13, 20151 votes

except Turkey

Only 2% of Turkey (Istanbul area) is part of Europe. The rest of Turkey is all in the Middle East, which is part of Asia.

The Bíg TicketOct 12, 20152 votes

Lmao what? Canada with 33 Million inhabitants is not even top 50 rofl. The 5 most populated countries in the world are China, India, USA, INDONESIA and Brazil in that order. But there is not a single state in the US that has more inhabitants than my country (Germany wtih 82 million). There also live alot more people in Europe than in North America.

B4skervilleOct 11, 20152 votes

Getting to semifinals is actually a good score, not many regions have made it this far in history at all. The only region who underperfomrs is NA, EU has 2nd or 3rd most titled region currently. So i wouldnt write that EU hasnt made it far, you cant state this to one of highest ranked regions.

And its not a tournament but WC, so losing a little further then others is something to be proud off actually, specially that NA managed to only go out 1 time from groups after Riot banned EU WC team's players week pre WC forcing them to play 3 matches with subs what game the 1 NA team enough of an Edge.

Fan base, your probably right, but thats only TY to Riot compleatly cutting EU region off and lacking any promo's for them, or making them influence the game in the slighest way - even IF THIS REGION HOLDS BY FAR THE BIGGEST PLAYER BASE AND BEING THE MONEY MAKER from player both marchendise (skins ect).

TeslynOct 11, 20152 votes

LMS trains with the koreans and the chineese.. why give an area techniqually 9 spots.

granted NA is a minority in the player base.. but LMS is smaller..

if they want more spots then tell all the immigrants not to leave the country and build their numbers up.

power in numbers.

The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20152 votes

Cause this area also has the highest population in the world lol.

LankPantsOct 12, 20151 votes

LMS trains with the koreans and the chineese.. why give an area techniqually 9 spots.

Claiming Korea=China is probably more inaccurate than claiming EU=NA.

C9 Scott Free Oct 12, 20152 votes

LMS didn't show up for 2 years and this may change it now. Remember that they used to be the SEA region which was partnered with the GPL which the LMS is now essentially. So they did in fact send Mineski, who were mutilated by everyone and Gama bears who got shrekt. Hell, NA won more games than LMS at season 3 and 4 worlds. In season 2 and this year they outperformed us and I give them props for getting back on the map same with Eu after dropping the ball last year and this year. I think the world tournament needs to have more teams in general. Maybe even raising it to twenty or 24 so that all regions can send at least one person. All the Leagues just need to communicate and get on the same schedule so this could be a thing. 3 NA 3 Eu 3 CN 3 KR 3 LMS then some OCE and Latin America teams plus Turkey and EU NE or Russia.

KinjishiOct 12, 20151 votes

"3 NA 3 Eu 3 CN 3 KR 3 LMS then some OCE and Latin America teams plus Turkey and EU NE or Russia." Would add another group to worlds basically, Group E. Not sure how Quarter finals would play out. Perhaps a playoff between the 2 lowest ranked teams for the final spot.

LankPantsOct 12, 20151 votes

Rather than adding a new group seed 5 teams into each group with the top 2 moving on.

ZoratuOct 11, 20151 votes

At least I wouldn't have to watch 3 na teams lose then.

TurquoiseYoshiOct 11, 20151 votes

Same level as China? You mean far better than China? I mean, at least the LMS gets its players from the region it plays in.

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The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20152 votes

Well historically China always had very strong teams, even without Korean players. In Season 3 a full chinese OMG and a full chinese Royal Club made the top 4 at worlds (Royal Club even top 2), in Season 4 a full chinese OMG swept Najin in the quarterfinals and again made top 4 while Royal Club again made the finals, this time with Koreans but still Uzi as their main carry.

TeslynOct 11, 20151 votes

does EU have their own message boards? or are they just here now? think this would go better over there

Gaxx DOct 11, 20152 votes

If you wanna complain, I suggest you contact Riot. They don't care about EU boards, and they even admit it by making it available for EU (and Oceania as well) region to log in on NA boards using their EU accounts. You're salty, we get it. Now scram.

TeslynOct 11, 20151 votes

maybe you should stop shitting on the country that spawned this game then?

The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20152 votes

How is stating facts "shitting on NA"? I like the NA teams, I prefer watching NA LCS over EU LCS cause I like the teams more but it is just a fact that NA has been the weakest region out of the 5 regions with seeded teams by FAR. So it isn't really fair that they get more seeds than a better region right?

SwapShadowsOct 11, 20151 votes

NA teams are honestly the best teams to watch, I don't really care for 5 sleep deprivated teens that have no personality.

Also you cirlcjerkers need to realize 1 thing, being in a region doesn't automatically make you bad or good. The only reason some teams are disgustingly good compared to others is due to the fact that they spend like 14 hours a day just practicing and playing league.

The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20152 votes

But practice is what makes you bad or good lol...obviously the Koreans practice alot more and thats why they are so good, I don't think anybody claims they are more talented than other regions, they just play more LoL and put more dedication into it.

SwapShadowsOct 11, 20151 votes

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But practice is what makes you bad or good lol...obviously the Koreans practice alot more and thats why they are so good, I don't think anybody claims they are more talented than other regions, they just play more LoL and put more dedication into it.

no that's not what im saying.

There are shit tier korean teams and shit tier teams in any region but on the otherhand there are great teams in each region and the quality of their gameplay is due to how often they play.

Not all Koreans play 14 hours a day, strength isn't defined by region it's defined by team.

LankPantsOct 12, 20151 votes

There are shit tier korean teams and shit tier teams in any region but on the otherhand there are great teams in each region and the quality of their gameplay is due to how often they play.

Based on LMQ's success in NA as a not that great Chinese team, those shit tier Korean teams are strong enough to threaten top tier NA teams.