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Lee Sin was never even a competitive pick at all this year's Worlds, especially the Finals

BeatzBoyFTW··123 votes·6,272 views

3 words. Thank Fucking God. Riot should just give up on him & stop granting him random-ass buffs next time. There's other junglers who deserves to be in the spotlight once in a while.

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Athenes Lulu40 votes

Don't forget Thresh!

This is the first year since his release that Thresh wasn't a top support pick either.

Shield Boi23 votes

Rakan is the new thresh

Athenes Lulu12 votes

I mean, he's the "Lee Sin support" after all...

kullehh1 votes

no no he is the thresh adc , wtf are you even trying to say lmao

Häxel5 votes

thresh was literaly not picked 2016. At elast 2017 he had some picks. 2016 was the year of Karma, Lulu and Zyra. A bit similar to Lee sin. Wasn't a toppick in 2016 and in 2015 he got even less picked. Gragas was there just the better Lee Sin. Lee just got his comeback with Gragas Ultchange and during Preseason. Till Msi he dominated quite a bit, but after that graga claimed back Lees Place.

Bolwinkel1 votes

Why pick thresh when you can pick ArDeNt CeNsOr?

TEA Nietzsche 1 votes

Oh I am so glad that we saw all those exciting Janna and Lulu picks! Too bad only that we couldn't see Soraka this year.

Also I kind of miss 2016 meta with Karma, Zyra and MF, those were the best support picks!

Seriously though: what's wrong with wanting to see Thresh, Blitzcrank, Alistair and Braum? Tank supports are just neat and cool without being that obnoxious.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

Raka was picked a few times in Worlds this year, actually.

I don't have an issue with seeing tank supports, but considering that they've been dominating the pro scene since season 4, it's moreso a change thing that enchanters are back in competitive meta.

I know, they're not always entertaining to watch and that soloQ became a disaster as a result, but hey, somewhat wider variety of ADCs and supports in competitive this year, I'll take it.

TEA Nietzsche 1 votes

dominating the pro scene since season 4

That's a funny way of spelling that tanks are getting dominated by enchanters and mages for two seasons in a row.

Also especially funny seeing how a large part of season 4 was dominated by mages as season 4 was the release of the support items and thus the prime time of Annie support (which got again picked up in season 5).

Also, I don't think we saw a very wide variety of ADC's at all and supports were extremely boring for the most part - Janna/Lulu in nearly every game is extremely boring. Finally, you have to keep in mind that we now have 10 bans in competitive which has increased the variety in picks for the most part. Taking that into consideration makes the current botlane meta even more stale.

Hawkefire1 votes

In fairness, the only reason Thresh wasn't was because he doesn't synergize with item 3504

Remlap12238 votes

Holy shit y'all, its 2017, can we stop pretending that Lee Sin is still Free Win?

BeatzBoyFTW36 votes

Lee Sin was always forcibly the staple boy for every Worlds ever. Other junglers like Ivern Fiddlesticks Shaco didn't even get the chance to shine at all, as Riot will always constantly give Lee Sin the baby-buffs he needs to be somewhat "relevant" for pro players.

quasistellar1 votes

I just poured one out for Fiddlesticks. Forever unpicked as a competitive jungler (that I know of).

Death by Glamour1 votes

he was in finals last year :P

quasistellar1 votes

As a jungler? I thought I remembered fid just being picked as support. I honestly don't remember.

Death by Glamour1 votes

i remember panth jungle in the same series, think it was the finals

DorkunedAuras5 votes

Ivern was a stable of competitive play for quite a while

HeimerLmao1 votes

Cuz ardent. Or Ivern after first buffs and before the nerfs.

flibitydoo2 votes

ardent was still strong when ivern died

what really killed him (and karma remember her?) was item 3174 going from 20% cdr to 10%. this meant that capping CDR super fast as ivern and spamming shields and snares every 5 seconds became impossible.

and despite that cdr reduction being a requested change amongst support mains (including myself), no one buys this item more than they used to and it's global purchase rate actually went down since the two semi-popular viable champs (ivern and karma) fell off the meta train.

Great Fox1 votes

Staple*

An Undead brat2 votes

They made a stable out of Ivern?! MURDERERS!

BoilTheOil2 votes

Ivern being strong is a mistake needs a rework

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Ivern was super common for a while. The hell kinda crack are you smoking to think he didn't get his chance to shine?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

He was only picked twice in this year's Worlds & that's his 1st appearance ever...

IcyPepper1 votes

Op... didn't...?

Villainous V7 votes

To be fair. Gragas is a better Lee Sin than Lee Sin

Electro5224 votes

It depends on how you look at it. Lee Sin is better in skirmishes, whereas Gragas is better in teamfights.

Grubner7 votes

but in reality, they are both junglers with overpowered movement based kits, which is why they are always picked.

TehNACHO8 votes

Gragas has a movement based kit? Lee Sin is easy to understand but one dash that collides does not hyper-mobile make.

LinoWidge3 votes

Movement based as in disruption of enemy position? IDK... Grasping @ straws here...

Villainous V2 votes

You have a point there, but while Gragas isn't the most mobile champ he does most of the things that Lee does just as well if not better. Mainly looking at his R.

Grubner3 votes

Lets see if you can spot the difference.

Champion A: Uses a dash to get into a position where he can knock you back into his team.

Champion B: Uses a dash to get into a position where he can knock you back into his team.

They are the same champion, there are two tiny differences. Gragas is slightly tankier, and Lee sin has to get behind you using another dash, while Gragas simply throws the cask behind you, In the end, the effect is 90% the same.

flibitydoo1 votes

gragas has a kit where you're not allowed to move after he gets 40% cdr

HeartPalpitation1 votes

{quoted}

To be fair. Gragas is a better Lee Sin than Lee Sin

you could not have said it better, dash with AOE cc>just a dash, multi-man knockback>one knockback that is reliant on using a summoner spell, AOE % health damage w> 1 single target ranged skill shot, hell even his q is a better slow than lee sins e LOL

xJLx MCHammer6 votes

He was picked more than 80% of other junglers

BeatzBoyFTW16 votes

https://www.youtube.com/user/EpicSkillshot/videos

Find me that "80%".

If this isn't enough:

http://www.gamesoflegends.com/champion/stats.php?id=47&season=ALL&tournament=World%20Championship%202017

Lee Sin picked at Worlds 2016: 37 Lee Sin picked at Worlds 2017: 4

xJLx MCHammer13 votes

{quoted}

https://www.youtube.com/user/EpicSkillshot/videos

Find me that "80%".

If this isn't enough:

http://www.gamesoflegends.com/champion/stats.php?id=47&season=ALL&tournament=World%20Championship%202017

Lee Sin picked at Worlds 2016: 37 Lee Sin picked at Worlds 2017: 4

BY OP.gg stats,

there are 41 Jungler. Lee was pick more than a huge chunk of them

BUT i understand your post

WTBeGirl100EUhr3 votes

5 junglers picked more than Lee Sin. 1 played the same amount, 34 played less. 34 is 83% of 41, the total number of junglers listed on OP.GG.

There is your 80%.

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

{quoted}

5 junglers picked more than Lee Sin. 1 played the same amount, 34 played less. 34 is 83% of 41, the total number of junglers listed on OP.GG.

There is your 80%.

Thank you

I didn't want to bother with the math to prove my point

Zed genius6 votes

Lee sin loses a big part of his kit in competitive. Custom games do not grant you mastery points, so they don't have access to the mastery 7 emote, which is fundamental in lee sin's kit

Shadow Hazard2 votes

This is mostly a factor of tanks being way too overtuned.

Blåbæret2 votes

The sad part is that he's coming back into the meta right now.

the weeaboo2 votes

Ye instead we get Sejuani but hey at least its not LS haha

rtbf2256182411 votes

I believe it's more due to the fact that he is too squishy and has a little too telegraphed of an effect on his enemies, not to mention he is in no position to break the shields at Worlds. He was useless mainly because Bot lane was beyond too powerful there and Galio is a pretty good counter to him aswell.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

It says something about how ungodly the peel and shields were when Lee Sin, whose whole job is to insec a carry into his team to be eaten, can't do shit in the extremely ADCcentric meta.

HeimerLmao1 votes

Right. If he kicked something like da void puppy boi it would end with penta for Kog.

Unvictus1 votes

Don’t forget Orianna. She has always been a relevant pick in the mid lane. This has to be the year that she was played the least. Was so glad to not see her in every single game.

Bronze 6 Yasuo1 votes

No. I like lee sin because he actually takes skill unlike sejuani.

Knalxz1 votes

Reminds me of a friend who'd was furious every time Lee Sin got one of those random buffs because he always felt he was in an okay spot the BAAM, random buff coming out a week later.

He's stayed quietly lately out of fear to my knowledge.

Ideal Gas Law1 votes

That just means Lee Sin isn't good enough for Riot. Expect a buff next patch

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