TSM needs to disband

yet c9 hasnt done better... as long as there is the korean server no one in NA will beat them so it dont matter

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C9 would have done better, and has proven they do better than tsm on international stages

So TSM should disband because they beat C9 in play offs?

Yeah c9 usually ends up being Na's last hope while clg screws the pooch and gets wrecked by a wild card, and TSM gets the group of death and comes in with big expectations only to get wrecked. The diffrence is everyone expects things out of tsm and they dont deliver, but no one expects c9 to pick up wins internationally but they do up untill the koreans figure out what their game plan is. Like when they went 3-0 in i think was either last year or the year before when they came in 7th in summer split, only to have sneaky going beast mode on objectives with trist. Then the next week they dropped the ball. The year before that they beat najin and got eu's number one kicked out... im not saying tsm are bad or anything but when it comes to worlds c9 seems to have a bigger impact in groups than tsm does historically, and other international events in general. Like c9 beating uol to win iem katowice when uol was new, i cant remember the last time clg or tsm have even won an international event. Their reactive playstyle works okay in na where they have generally better solo laners but internationally they DONT have the best solo laners. IMO bench jensen give bjerg to c9, trade contracts back for memeos or reignover and then mabye NA would have a chance. Impact id leave and sneakys pretty much a staple of the team and smoothie is pretty much best support na right now. If jensen wasnt so inconsistant in one minute looking like a beast and the next looking like he forgot to turn his scripts back on id say c9 is better in solo lanes, but bjerg >jensen and i doubt contracts is expirenced enough to be picking up international wins.

CLG stole games off of both RNG and SKT that were basically throws by those teams as each of those games those teams had huge leads going into late game. I don't discount what CLG did last year at MSI by any accounts but there was a certain element of luck involved in it, including FW being CLGs saving from having to play RNG in the semis since FW 2-0d SKT to drop them to the fourth seed. Because let's be honest, CLGs not winning a BO5 against RNG. So while they did well, they had luck on their side at the same time. And people need to stop saying C9 doing better at worlds means they're more deserving when they were by far in an immensely easier group than TSM was. Again, I'm not discounting what C9 did at worlds but if you switch TSM and C9s spots at worlds 2016, TSM makes quarters and C9 doesn't qualify.