I am a bit curious about it, i think it should be actually very good in the current meta, maybe not as good viktor and stuff like that, but still he can be an excellent pick.... but we don't see any ziggs from the entirety of S5, any thoughts on that?
Yaksha2 votesHe was picked because he was good at turtling in base and stalling out games / defending against sieges. With the changes to dragon and baron, he isn't as desirable. If you try to stay in base too long, the enemy just collects 5 dragons and baron and runs you over. Also, baron buff on its own makes Zigg's life hell just because of how hard it makes killing minions. A Zigg's that can't waveclear is near useless. His CC is weak so all he has to rely on is damage and zoning and there are champs that do those jobs better (Viktor, Azir) while not being completely skillshot reliant. Finally, his ult nerfs kind of sucked for him
That's all I got
Rand0mH3r0X1 votesI think his sieging potential is really diminished whenever he has to face someone like Azir. Since a lot of pro players favor Azir, I don't think Ziggs will be seing as much play. But Ziggs can be swapped out for Gragas when it comes to returning some of the utility back. That's just my thoughts though.
Earl Eulrich1 votesAzir gets destroyed by Poke though, he has insanly low base-defenses and isn´t that mobile while waveclearing.
Rand0mH3r0X1 votesYeah, if he's constantly engaged. There is always a ebb-flow to fighting in mid.
Earl Eulrich1 votesnot sure what you´re trying to say - but if you siege an Azir with poke he´d have to stand there to auto-attack-waveclear, making it easy to hit him with long-range spells and poking him out fast. While if Azir tries to siege you can just waveclear from out of his effective range for the most part, leaving him vulnerable to get flanked if he wants to push it. Azir is a Champ that wants to create Situations where you have to come to him, so he can abuse his range and kite you down...if you outrange him most of his skillset just becomes invalid.
TheNameIsJohnny1 votesbecause he got nerfed to the ground. His Q hitbox got nerfed to the point where it is hard to land it. Rito doing what they do best
EvilMerodach1 votes
buffs and 
being added to the game saw the death of Ziggs pro play. Before that there just wasn't a good way to get to him while he camped you under tower. Now support/top/jungle with or just hits active and you run at him. He doesn't have a good escape plan from that. So now there are different comps build for siege that can still deal with the enemy speed boosted running at you counter strat.
Earl Eulrich1 votesi honestly have no idea, i think that´s just a thing of a champ nor being played for a while and getting forgotten. But there are so many teams currently that don´t go for solid engage and would be destroyed by a well performed poke or 1-3-1-comp (especially those siegecomps get hardcountered by the massive 1champ waveclear of ziggs). i´m also sort of depressed that noone is going for Lux, she´s insanly strong right now and there are some players in the tournament that do play her.
Stars Shaper1 votesBecause meta has shifted into flanking and hard engaging the enemies and Ziggs, Xerath and others are really weak to those. Plus the lack of items that help said champions against high hp pool champions.
TheNameIsJohnny1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=AvXpcq9j,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-10-10T12:41:00.290+0000)
Because meta has shifted into flanking and hard engaging the enemies and Ziggs, Xerath and others are really weak to those. Plus the lack of items that help said champions against high hp pool champions.
META is changed by op or strong heroes. The power of the heroes control the META>
Stars Shaper1 votesAnd the now "strong" champions are best played in a falnking/hard engaging enviornmnet.
I played a lot of Xerath and he can easily keep at bay any midlaner in the current meta but once the shift goes into teamfight there is really little he can do against hard engages and high hp pool champions. Same applies to ziggs even if he has a nice disengage.
TheNameIsJohnny1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=AvXpcq9j,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-10-10T12:45:51.768+0000)
And the now "strong" champions are best played in a falnking/hard engaging enviornmnet.
I played a lot of Xerath and he can easily keep at bay any midlaner in the current meta but once the shift goes into teamfight there is really little he can do against hard engages and high hp pool champions. Same applies to ziggs even if he has a nice disengage.
Flanking and hard environment are being used because those champs are good at it got buffed and other champs got nerfed. You think Flanking and hard environment meta will be played if those champs are weak? hell no.
Anyone with common sense knows that heroes control the meta. Know why assassin meta is gone? because assassin got nerfed.
DERP DERP DERP
Stars Shaper1 votesChampion class meta =/= tactic meta
I guess some ppl aren't able to grasp it.
Earl Eulrich1 votesif you watch worlds there´s not a really a single team that favours hardengage though (even if they have malph they are not keen on using it), it´s mostly rotational play right now with little teamfighting, sth. that fits poke-comps better than other comps.
TheNameIsJohnny1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=AvXpcq9j,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-10T12:57:33.947+0000)
Champion class meta =/= tactic meta
I guess some ppl aren't able to grasp it.
The tactic meta right now is all based on the heroes you get. ARe you stupid? let me guess, you are silver player
