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Admiral Howe··4 votes·765 views

Team Liquid still has Adrian and Link, im wondering why are they saying "We're trying hard to improve" and not start them? After seeing both Goldglue and Slooshi, then looking at Matt who still does terribly with a high caliber ADC like DoubleLift, why not start Adrian or Link? Link's time on CLG showed, at the very least, he's a giant upgrade from what they have going on in the mid lane and Adrian has shown he is one of the best supports in NA still. Not to mention Adrian has experience in shot calling with Reignover. If TL really is trying to improve, i want to see Lourlo, Reignover, Link, Piglet and Adrian as their starting roster on Saturday against NV, otherwise NV will eat them alive. If they dont do something, those 4th place memes are going to turn into 10th place.

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III BAKURYU III 3 votes

I don't see much of a choice when the team has been together for around a year + and they're still pretty bad.

LINK

When was the last time Link played in the LCS 2015 Spring?
Link's career average per game stats - 3.76 Kills 2.40 Deaths 6.07 Assists 268.9 CS Team Envyus plays a very slow pace style game, constantly around that 39-40 min per game average and Link is 19 games won and 20 games lost in his career when a game goes 40+ so it's pretty 50/50. Link v Apollo - Link has actually beaten Apollo 7 out of 10 or so games when they would face - stretching from 2013-2015. SO take that with a grain of salt.

ADRIAN " best supports in NA still"

  • I wouldn't go that far but it is surprising that the meta is still around Lulu/Karma 70% of the time and Adrian hasn't played yet, the support/heal style is really all he has, ask him to play anything other than Nami/Sorka/Sona he tends to just get dumpstered. Easy for the enemy team to ban out only his champions and it's back to square 1 with TL relying on Link who's shown to tilt beyond control and Adrian who has been mention by other players that have played with him to tilt just as much.

Tho, with that said - I see no choice cause Team Liquid are so freaking bad. Replacing GG for Link and Matt for Adrian won't win them anymore games than it has when Piglet is actually ON the team.

Miror B2 votes

Just going to toss this out there:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y7k5kQ2AegbuyiGwEPsa62e883FYVtHqr6UVut9RC4o/pubhtml#

TL doesn't have adrian signed still, much like every other team (apparently teams might be afraid to sign him after the whole P1 issue).

As far as I'm concerned, why can't TL start rookies to possibly test them this split? At worst they get relegated (which because of the changes NA will have next split, won't actually matter at all), best case scenario they finally manage to fix some of their roster and potentially save some $ by avoiding soon to be high-priced free agents (Exileh possibly being the biggest mid-lane one). Liquid has had a habit of seeing mid to top-tier players walk out the door/have success elsewhere (dardoch being the obvious one, with Fenix deserving a notable mention due to looking like an absolute beast in challenger last split), wouldn't it be nice if they finally fixed that problem in what is essentially a "Freebie split"?

JarOfHearts1 votes

why are we blaming goldenglue? unless he is shot calling he is not to blame. Whoever shot calling needs to be coached on how to better have you seen their games????????

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Escape goat. If you were an unproven player on a team with like of Reignover, Piglet and 2 "decent" players Lourlo and Matt; most people choose GG even if it is about only 15% his fault whenever he plays. It's easier to blame 1 unproven than it is to say X player instead.

Most people will also say he's been in the League well over 3 years now just bouncing from team to team, and all the time hasn't done much of anything in either game, lane, pressure etc. More of a support type of player GG is similar to Pobelter but even Pob can actually do something in lane from time to time, where for GG he doesn't.

I will say for TL there seems to be 0 shotcalling as you pointed out and if I'm a gambling man I would say Reignover is the caller but when you can't camp a top 3 Western Player in the past 2 years at top like he had in the past 2015-2016(4 splits) the true Reignover tends to show up instead. Lourlo is also pretty bland and "is" improving but too slow for any true LCS team, if he would be replaced and went to CS he would be better in time but for TL who's motivation is to actually be decent for once he's going to get swept under the rug in due time. Matt seems really nice, chill but those things don't pay the LCS bill. Very similar to Lourlo he just doesn't seem to do anything, has an attitude like Dyrus but in game has the skills of Kiwikid.

Piglet makes the AD position a little tougher in NA but overall I wouldn't miss him if he leaves, been on TL for going on 3 years now and TL are much better without him than with him. As well as the longer he stays in NA and doesn't do anything the worse it will be for him if he decides to go back to Korea. No team will take him too seriously; not with the way he seems to be now(doesn't care, unmotivated) as well as his Team Liquid results counting this split/regular split games - no playoffs/CS/promotional involved 49W - 61L TL with him 25W - 17L without him Subbing out Piglet for Fabbyy, Jintai, Keith and other players seems to be in the right decision.
Not saying if Piglet gets sub out TL would win X games in a row but history tends to repeat itself as they do say.

  • Overall I do agree it's not all GG's fault. TL should have known what type of player GG is and shouldn't have resigned him and instead let him go.
Admiral Howe2 votes

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why are we blaming goldenglue? unless he is shot calling he is not to blame. Whoever shot calling needs to be coached on how to better have you seen their games????????

Im not blaming GoldenGlue but TL is absolutely not giving him the tools he needs to bloom as a player, they need experience and shot calling to save themselves and find an actual play style that fits them to succeed instead of signing a korean, poking them with a stick and saying "Ok go win now".

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

LOL " C'MON....... Play League"

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