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Ranking players so everyone can flame me

Admiral Howe·5/29/2017, 10:33:39 AM·6 votes·656 views

I like to see how players stand before each split or tourney, to determine how they'd do in the future, i thought this'd be fun to do here. For example someone would say Piglet would be a top 5 adc in the summer due to hyper carries like Caitlynn and Vayne coming back, or Akaadian struggling even though he was considered to still be a top 5 jungler in the spring, since tanks are coming back and he seems to be a carry type of guy. So here's what i say could go down. Top Lane:

  1. Darshan, call me dumb, call me a noob, but with the carry meta for top looking like its going to come back, Ssumday on a Dignitas that doesnt look like its going to improve past 5-6th place, and Hauntzer struggling to play carries that arent Kennen or Camille, i think Darshan could be the best top laner this split.

  2. Ray: If C9 does stick to Ray on carries and Impact on tanks, then Ray can explode this split learning from Impact and having Reapered.

  3. Hauntzer: He's what people said about Huni but in reverse, better on tanks than carries, will he struggle to bottom tier? Hell no, but he wont be as good as he can be

  4. Ssumday: I dont think he will be able to shine much since DIG looks like theyre not going to improve much beyond 5-6th but Ssumday will definitely smash if teams dont camp him

  5. Flame: We saw him doing well once communication problems were out of the way for him, he now has the diet coke of Reignover which is Xmithie, he has a pretty decent mid laner who can play without much resources, this is just a team set-up begging for him to basically be Flame.

Mid: Not much explanation needed behind the picks so itll be short

  1. Bjergsen: Its Bjerg

  2. Jensen: Dominant laner on a team that is improving hard

  3. Huhi: He was the only one performing well on CLG when the meta change i guess screwed their bot lane according to Aphro, and i think Huhi will still do well

  4. Ryu: with his play being so forward, and maybe immobile mid lane champs making a comeback, the risk of Inori being played over Meteos isnt the answer to him being higher, otherwise i would place him at 2

  5. Hai: He'd be higher but i feel like Huhi and Ryu will out perform him on paper but i couldnt argue if someone disagreed

Jungle: im ranking this believing P1 will start Inori over Meteos

  1. Reingover: Lourlo back on carries, piglet and mat back on what theyre best at, GoldenGlue not really being a change from Piglet mid, if TL chooses to play around their side lanes like IMT did in 2016, TL can bring back the 4th place meme which at this point will be a gigantic sigh of relief.

  2. Dardoch: 2 things here, can he play tanks better than Xmithie has the potential to? I want to see game 2 CLG vs ROX play from CLG this split or booting Xmithie was a giant mistake, second, Dardoch has the aggression CLG needs to make plays off of, so he could shine more.

  3. Svenskeren: This dude is going to be burning to get the stink of MSI off his back and hopefully comes in changing his style and with DoubleLift back, he has more time to play and not try to shotcall, so he could improve.

  4. Lira: I watched a ton of LCK and seeing Lira on tanks was one of the reasons he wasnt held as highly as Peanut, Score, Bengi, Ambition etc. with the lower level NA talent of Junglers though, he might even be number 1 again but ill wait to be wrong on this one

  5. Xmithie: Still has a semi great carry top laner, has played with Pobelter before and might be the saving grave along with Stunt for IMT's bot lane

Bot Lane (ADC&Support combo)

  1. Sneaky and Smoothie: Theyre only going to get better, theyve rapidly improved and i believe theyre number 1

  2. Doublelift and Biofrost: Hyper carry meta coming back, hopefully tank supports come back as well so they can really shine, its a matter of opinion at this point for the number 1 and 2 spot

  3. Stixxay and Aphromoo: I think the meta changing for bot lane is good and we can see them dominate like they have before

  4. Arrow and Shady: Only reason i have them at 4 is because Shady can either be great coming in with full time like Bio, or just shit the bed, so 4 feels safe

  5. Turtle and LemonNation: So much experience, the best hyper carry player for a long time in WildTurtle, one of the best supports for a long time in LemonNation but something about them just makes me think theyre the worst of the best this split.

What do you guys think? Who do you have at 1-5 of every role and do you agree with any of the picks?

5 Comments

GeminiRune5/29/2017, 2:29:02 PM2 votes

No flaming from me here. Absolutely nothing wrong with putting out your opinions even if it's not necessarily what falls in line with the norm. I normally tended to classify each team and where I believed their strongest, weakest, and wildcard player would lie. Last split I had a case where I had a player like Bjergsen counted as a wildcard for TSM rather than a strength simply because I felt the meta would abuse him a bit too much.

Basically I like the reasoning you express for those you actually reasoning towards. Of your list, I'll express that it's quite bold to call Darshan, and a bit lesser to have Lira and the P1 bot lane. RO would be up there for me too but I had faith in him last time around and kinda still do for the summer.

III BAKURYU III 5/29/2017, 5:20:25 PM2 votes

ADC/SUPPORTS

  1. Sneaky and Smoothie
  • I don't think Sneaky and Smoothie will be that great to say D-Lift/Bio, WT/Lemon mainly because in my opinion Sneaky was lucky to have a poke CC meta at bot AKA utility bot lane that one word that has described Sneaky his whole career. Yes, Sneaky is a great ADC etc etc etc, but it's Utility that was always in those peoples' paragraphs when it came to drooling over him and his career.
    Now that the meta is looking to be this hard carry bot lane instead of again this CC support, Utility ADC, super far away Poke to annoy or keep the ADC safe something Smoothie has been rather good at in his career, I think Sneaky and Smoothie will fall off just a tiny bit, nothing huge like 1 kill and 20 deaths or somes$it but just not great in their lane phase.
    Watch 2014 Sneaky/Lemon - I know it's not Sneaky/Smoothie but the way Sneaky played was under his tower at all times and never won lane without Balls using TP, Hai TF ult, and/or Meteos camping early on for him.
  1. D-Lift and Biofrost
  • Not really a counter point to this but just wanted to give my 2 cents, we've only seen Biofrost in 1 meta and that's the Utility support/ADC meta and he's been great, but say super aggressive or melee supports comes into factor, Taric, Thresh, maybe even a champion he has shown to dislike Braum comes into factor he would need to protect D-lift with his LIFE because even tho D-Lift is a beast in this type of meta, the dude dies constantly in it also. D-Lift will give you around 5.23 Kills with 5.84 Assists but also around 2.97 deaths nothing too high but around 2.5+ is too high, especially on a top tier team.
  1. Arrow/Shady vs 4. Wildturtle/Lemon
  • I think EXP of Turtle and Lemon will outplay the LCK player Arrow and "Slim Shady" Shady may be this 20 year CS player or been #1 in the LCK/LPL/NA solo Q rank but I think the fast pace of hyper carry and communication issues( Arrow's English is good but not better than the rest). Good playoffs from Shady and even tho he faced TSM/C9/FQ 3 top tier teams, I just don't think he will keep any consistency for well over 40+ games.

JUNGLERS 2. Dardoch - I think Dardoch could be #1 the problem is Reignover will most likely be #1 as much as he farmed last split when the world was crumbling down for TL being pretty much last in every objective.
However with Dardoch it seems to me like Isiah Thomas from Boston where he was traveling team to team and never being called "great" until he finally reached a team with an identity and some EXP as far as being a real team instead of some milkcows like the Kings and Suns. From there he became a house hold name, Dardoch has that same opportunity with CLG and CLG has a much needed improvement from ( Xmithie is a great player and a great dude) but he had no offense or aggressiveness to help CLG for a better part of a year( 2016 Summer and 2017 Spring) he would gank, the gank would suck, ward, and then die; rinse and repeat. Not to mention the whole clown fiesta that is Team Liquid and their history of Matt dying 3-4 times a game carelessly, Lourlo doing nothing for most of his games, Piglet looking like some NA bronze player at times, and the return of GG MAN.

MID 3. Huhi is 50/50 as far as position goes, mainly because he's not better than 70% mids in NA but I think CLG built Huhi's weaknesses around Huhi to make him stronger, but now with Stixxay, Darshan and Dardoch I think he will build his strengths around their weaknesses so it's a decent spot to put Huhi around 3rd or so mainly because of what he can do outside of game, and in game with his ability to outperform most when it comes to team effort.

Good post dude, and won't hear no flame from me, only a discussion.

  • Thank you
GuildedEnd5/29/2017, 12:04:21 PM1 votes

where faker at? he is the best for a reason babe

Pippen The Short6/1/2017, 1:35:08 AM1 votes

Top Laner's, I think that's fairly accurate.

Jungler's:

  1. Akaadian, his nickname is the first blood king, and to earn that as a rookie in his first split is pretty impressive. I really expect him, and Echo Fox as a whole, to improve this split.

  2. Reignover, for similar reason.

  3. Meteos, I think the change of scenery did him some good. So I really expect him to continue to play at a high level.

  4. Moon, though he made some costly mistakes later on, he showed a fairly consistent high level of play.

  5. Xmithie, he's not a super star, but he's more consistent, a better team player, and has better results than anyone else.

Mid:

  1. Bjerg, still the best in the business.

  2. Ryu, in terms of mechanics and raw talent he's easily the second best mid laner in the NA LCS right now, but the rest of his team is just bad, especially his bot lane and his jungle has consistently been out jungled.

  3. Jensen, I'm not a fan of him, but results don't lie. Been consistently at the top of the NA LCS, so I really don't think you could put him lower than 3.

  4. Hai, he takes risks, did very well last split being a main component of the success of a team that nobody expected anything from.

  5. Froggen, very talented, large pool, plays off meta picks very well. Top and bot lane are what's holding him back right now.

Bot Lane Duo

  1. Doublelift and Biofrost. DL is clearly better than WT, and I think a break from competitive play did him some good, saved Liquid from relegation. Best duo in bot lane, returned to be dominant again.

  2. Arrow and Shady. Shady has a lot to prove, but Arrow might be the best ADC in the NA LCS right now. Their lack of lcs tested play is why I wouldn't put them at number 1.

  3. Sneaky and Smoothie, again, same reason I couldn't put Jensen lower than 3. I think overall C9 has one of the best teams over all, but I don't think anyone on their team is top 2 for their position.

  4. Stixxay and Aphromoo, Stixxay has always been pretty good. Having to move away from Jhin might be weird for him, but the return of viable tank supports will be huge for Aphromoo.

  5. Olleh and Cody Sun. I think they will have the biggest margin of improvement of any of the bot lanes. While never truly shining for any length of the spring split, they never really under achieved for more than a brief moment too. They played relatively consistent during the split and never got dominated by another bot lane, though were often put behind because of their jungler play.

The only real thing I would contest would the Wildturtle and Lemonnation. Lemonnation is probably a bottom 3 support in the NA LCS right now. He often takes risks that backfire, ward selection and use isn't great, and his pick selection is usually hit and miss kind of character. Wildturtle is also a very unsteady player, while his ability to make amazing plays and turn games has been witnessed fairly regularly, it seems more often that we see the agony of him flashing aggressively straight to his death. This bot lane will be the the metaphorical pandora's box of the NA LCS. Either the relative aggressive nature of TurtleNation will pay major dividends, or be gaping hole in Flyquest's ship.

woodvsmurph6/1/2017, 8:29:35 AM1 votes

some flame for you to go with my upvote:summoner 14 summoner 14 summoner 14 summoner 14

toplane: darshan - no - he lost his touch it seems; we saw him start to recover some ability to play carry champs well, but he is hardly able to play them better than every other toplaner in NA anymore like he used to. He'll be decent, but that's it - not consistently outcarrying other carry toplaners from the best teams. ray - long way to grow still and we will see impact; not expecting much new/better than last split - perhaps a few highlight games for ray on carries while the patch lasts hauntzer - he will do better than you claim; he's shown in the past he can find the "broken" tank that counters the "broken" carry and outplay his opponent - even when that opponent is the "best toplaner" (Huni on fiora for instance) in NA that split. He can and will learn to play other carries to optimal levels too - enough to go toe-to-toe with anyone else on your list flame - yeah xmithie can help him show his old carry self - I expect a bit more carry potential and hype to build up around him this split; however more attention to the improving bot duo too means flame will still be playing tanks some too most likely

midlane: I'd agree on your midlane rankings except I would place ryu and hai as equals

jungle: patches don't last forever; reignover will look better, but he won't be #1 simply because of his team - he needs that one crazy guy to initiate questionable skirmishes that he can turn around into wins for his team like huni did last season

dardoch - if he meshes well with his team's playstyle he could be downright scary for most teams to play against - having a supportive mid like huhi could really enable his early aggression - especially when playing lane-shoving mids like aurelion sol

sven - gets more grief than he deserves at times - sometimes it is the team not backing him up or communicating things in time. that said, he is never going to outclass the rest of the top tier NA junglers like some might hope

lira - good jungler, bad team; bad team = good jungler gets held down or made to look bad

xmithie - similar to reignover - gonna look great while tanks can be king of the jungle; after that, still a chance to look better than spring split if his team plays around him better than clg did in spring when he is on carry junglers - clg just left him out to dry most games similar to tsm with dyrus. furthermore, his new bot duo won't overextend so much and cost him his life trying to save them from their mistakes - something for which xmithie was wrongly blamed too frequently in spring split.

bot duos: sneaky n smoothie - 2nd - they are good, but not that good; only a die hard c9 fan would rate them #1 without seeing how split starts

doublelift n biofrost - 1st for sure - they should find their chemistry again fairly quickly and you saw what doublelift did subbing for liquid last split - took #1 mid in NA and top tier toplaner and told them to shove it; this guy found himself again and might just be the attitude tsm needs to do something besides win NA and then forget how to play once they leave the country

stixxay n aphromoo - overrated and the cause of so many of their team's early deficits; however, their new jungler might just be the aggressive teammate they need to make their questionable early plays positive instead of costly

arrow n shady? what about olleh and cody sun? - those 2 went from being one of the worst duos to being able to compete with the best and sometimes force the enemy jungler to camp their lane just to keep them from punishing other top tier bot duos on your list - xmithie jungling for them should only solidify their standing more

turtle n lemonnation - adding more aggressive madness could make them click that much more perfectly. If so, I expect they will close out games more definitively against weaker opponents; however, better opponents will just use it as another weakness to punish and exploit. Not every game will better teams be able to pull this off, but consistently enough that they shouldn't shoot up ton #1 in NA or anything.