Piglet Shotcalling for TL

Admiral Howe·Jun 17, 2017·9 votes·1,009 views

After today's game, i seriously think TL should drop Piglet. He may have potential to shine on other teams, he may be trash, whatever your opinion is on him, the outcome has always been the same with Piglet on TL. They lose, they lose small, they lose big, but since he came to TL, ive seen that team go from a group trying to improve team play to take the NA LCS title, to a terribly bad version of a Protect the Uzi comp. Today showed that off most, take one pick from him and suddenly an ADC who has problems and is slightly inconsistent is beating him, who was supposed to be and carries himself like a top ADC in NA. Im not knocking Cody and Olleh, but if he thinks he's on the level of guys like Sneaky, Stixxay, DoubleLift or Wildturtle (yes i still think Turtle is top when you compare him to Piglet), he has to smash a lane like Immortals'. TSM couldnt smash Immortals' bot lane, true but they werent trying to build a comp completely around their ADC, TL was and he still couldnt get it done. Blame Lourlo, blame Reignover, blame Goldenglue, fine, but if DoubleLift can produce wins with a mid lane Piglet who did worse than GoldenGlue did, what does that say about Piglet? TL's only strength, GoldenGlue and Reignover roaming, which they got a win over DIG with, wasnt seen but once in their series against IMT. Instead we get this, "Everyone make sure Piglet can carry, if he cant, we blame you not him". If theyre afraid to let him go then they should take a good look at guys like LoD, Apollo, and Cody Sun and think, maybe a new ADC is good. Hell even Stixxay proved that last year that rookies could be better for the team. They need to take bigger risks than putting their "Star Player" in a different role. they need new faces and to help develop current ones to win again.

14 Comments

xJLx MCHammerJun 17, 20175 votes

They trying too hard to make the game revolve around piglet...

warpenguin555Jun 17, 20174 votes

^ I have never seen Piglet do well

Miror BJun 17, 20174 votes

To be fair, he did win a world championship with one of the first SKT rosters (that lineup also featuring impact, a guy who if steve could would trade everything including his first-born daughter just to have that guy carry them out of 10th place).

While we're on the topic of dropping members, wouldn't it be better if TL just dropped everyone barring reignover? Lourlo's had like 3 high-quality games since joining the roster, their clowncar of midlaners sorta makes me think that they're just trying out every 2015 summer lcs mid they can get their hands on (first T8's slooshi/goldenglue, but expect to see more guys like NME's Innox or if they want to dabble with spring they could try CLG's Link), and Matt has taken kiwikid's throne of being the hyper-aggressive death-happy support. Reignover has shown he can help accentuate the talent around him in the past (the 2016 IMT dominance and 2015 worlds semifinal still fresh in peoples' minds) so I personally wouldn't drop him, but you have to think that every other role is potentially fair game now.

III BAKURYU III Jun 17, 20175 votes

Agree, 100% with the exception of Matt. He had to work with around 3-4 ADC players in his young career and has been getting a little bit better over the splits, was around 3.4 deaths per game but has improved greatly, add the fact botlane has been the only decent lane for TL.
In short keep Reignover and Matt but dump the rest. Keep Matt meaning giving him a chance to keep his job the rest get no special treatment what's so ever.

Miror BJun 17, 20173 votes

Even with all the ADC's changing around him (which only happened during spring and a tiny bit during summer), he's still ridiculously prone to deaths/errors which make me think they can find better, this being extremely evident when he played with DL (arguably the best adc at the time in NA) and was still getting caught out/dying everywhere. If he were playing a role which didn't have a bunch of current/impending free agents, or had a larger percentage of high-quality games, then ditching him would be debatable. The fact that literally every support barring Bio/Smoothie is technically going to be available come late november though (aphromoo being a notable one as I would not be surprised to see him get literally a dozen offer from NA EU and if GBM is correct potentially LCK) makes this a pretty easy option for them.

III BAKURYU III Jun 17, 20171 votes

Yeah, I see what you mean but D-Lift showing up for TL wasn't that impressive overall and we're seeing D-Lift a bit less rusty with a much improved team and players around him and he's still not impressive , now looking at what D-Lift was for TL's / Matt's partner it's not a saving grace for him. How many decent supports are there these days for NA to get ? And GBM possibly going to TL isn't going to change anything for either TL or GBM. He's passive and unproductive even when he was on JAG. There's a reason why he's been going team to team within a year or two(JAG, NRG, VIT) because of those issues, so unless TL want's to have even less production from it's players taking GBM wouldn't be a clear cut agent to get in my opinion.

Miror BJun 17, 20171 votes

Pretty sure you didn't understand what I meant there. GBM's not going to TL, and will probably never join a current lcs team. He did an interview a while ago though in which he said that aphromoo has a very strong chance of being the first NA player to join an LCK team as he has the skillset most teams there look for.

If we're looking at total number of non-import-slot taking free agent supports, I count at least 10 with 9 of those having a better upside than matt. Lemon provides a ton of experience and gives the team leadership, hakuho/bunny/xpecial/remi/adrian all have previous lcs experience and wouldn't be too hard to nab, painless/big all give that "wild-card" potential, while aphromoo is literally the cream of the crop and easily the best option for most teams.

III BAKURYU III Jun 17, 20171 votes

No, no I did not sorry. I agree with GBM with Aphromoo being the first possible LCK player too. In most players there are Shot-callers and great individual players, such as Bjergsen being more win lane, individual player while Aphromoo can do both at least to a upper tier level doing both.

Big has actually changed my mind about him from earlier splits, so he's a pretty good pick up. Hakuho has really improved, a solid support carry. Adrain plays more heal champions and while those are big right now the thing is still that's all he can really play, unless he has 2-3 aggressive players on his team a up and coming team with rookies for say who are unsure about themselves and not wanting to make mistakes so tend to play very back and passive will only hurt both the team with Adrian and himself. Xpecial is tricky because I don't know how much longer he will play(but been saying this for about a year now) kinda gets that Spurs too old treatment.
Bunny and Remi are the more weaker players on this list of yours and I'm pretty sure 80% Remi will most likely just be a bench warmer or just won't play again honestly. She wasn't very good either to boot, and Bunny more of the same as Remi plays Thresh but isn't very good overall. I have no idea who Painless is sorry again

Miror BJun 17, 20171 votes

Painless was hyped by a few esports writers as potentially being a high-quality rookie support should matt end up failing in his first split and is apparently known for his ridiculously good macro game (making very few unforced mistakes). Although his age might be a bit of a concern, I'm still under the impression he has the potential to "go off" and have a couple of top-3 splits.

anonymous119Jun 17, 20174 votes

In general I'm in favor of replacing piglet, but he played very well in today's losses. His team full on collapsed beyond what any player could carry.

When you look at the players TL has had and struggled to get to play well on the stage then I think it is more of a coach/infrastructure problem then a player problem.

I would go as far as saying that if I ranked TL's problems then piglet would be pretty low on that list. RO looks lost, GG doesn't make plays, and their macro in general is non existent. Other teams have had success with a strong early game jungler essentially snowballing the game to where poor macro doesn't matter as much, but RO cannot seem to do that. I would replace him before piglet.

III BAKURYU III Jun 17, 20173 votes

KOREAN AND WORLD CHAMPION is what will be the defending aspect for Piglet. 3 Years in LCS and has finished #1 once in the regular split( no NA finals in 5 chances no Finals appearances ) TL +20 or so wins without him than with him with players such as Keith, Youngbin, Fabbyy. Been saying for about a year and half now during 2016 Spring TL should drop him knowing his history since coming to NA there's nothing else to be seen from him.

RequiemsfireJun 17, 20172 votes

Would say the problems with TL are much deeper than any individual player.

LinoWidgeJun 17, 20171 votes

Honestly TL needs an overhaul... Scrap the whole roster except for ReignOver, since he can still be great with the right team & is a better choice to build around than Piglet.

----Lourlo---- The only player I could argue them keeping, as he is a respectable top laner who doesn't take an import slot. Problem is there are so many better options... This is where i would use that 2nd import slot honestly.

----GoldenGlue---- I don't understand their devotion to this guy... He's proven time & time again that he can't compete with the mid lane competition at the LCS level... And yet TL insists GG is the guy who will get them where if you look at Tl's historical mid lane... They can do better... But their insistence on sticking with players who can't compete... Just look at the Challenger Series teams & pick a mid laner, any of them are better than GG...

----Piglet---- It's over the experiment failed. Send him back to Korea & maybe he can rediscover that great player he used to be... Since he came to NA he's had 1 great Split that ended with TL being the final victim of the C9 miracle run of 2015... And you know what? I think C9 broke him... He hasn't been good since... Find a rookie... rebuild... There is no future here...

----Matt---- TL thinks Matt's great... Don't get me wrong he's good, but hes not great... Whats worse is that TL got rid of Smoothie for Matt... & that's what gets me... They had smoothie, who is currently being lauded as the best support in NA... & they decided they'd rather have Matt... Who is so average to below average that it's painful...