Something random and funny I just realized

Exactly.

True, NA got kinda overconfident, but face it, with the exception of CLG losing to FW, were any of the NA teams supposed to do this well? No. No they weren't.

AHQ could not have beaten FNC in the Quarterfinals, both figuratively and literally. Figuratively because Fnatic is great and the only reason they lost in Week 1 was because of a Huni throw. Literally because teams from the same group can't face each other in the Quarterfinals. FW lost because they couldn't figure out the counter to the Jinx system, and because Anivia.

I wouldn't instantly give it to SKT, Fnatic is doing incredibly well, and if they can win/stay even early, their late game rivals SKT.

NA didn't get overconfident. They are overconfident being in a natural state. Like a week before world's Reginald was still saying "if we can fix communication we can easily do top 4, and if all runs well we can maybe even take it" .. Zionspartan saying they'll win it.. etc.

LIKE FOR REAL REGI, ZION AND ALL THOSE OTHER PRO'S FOLLOWING ON THAT? YOU GUYS FOR REAL? I KNOW KOREANS HARDLY WATCH OTHER REGIONS BUT REALLY?? holy macaroni.. My mind cant ... .. just cant understand that someone really believes this.. it.. how??

It's the same thing every tournament. It's basicly like this:

Tournament comes up >> regions get "rated" by the challenger players on the forum/reddit etc >> NA gets overrated TSM or some other team will easily stomp EU, wildcards, china they might have to start using their other hand, KR is.. maybe at best a test >> EU gets smashed into the ground - worst region every time pre tournament.

Then all the cocky players start saying "mehh we'll win it all easy mode" like reginald and zionspartan, doublelift, basicly saying to koreans u guys suck we're better. ( extremely disrespectful, luckily most KR dont watch it/dont speak english )

and it turns out : NA gets rated like a 7-8 as region strenght (while in reality a 5 or worse ) EU gets rated a 6 at most ( while in reality a 7-8 or in this tourney maybe better )

Then tourney is over, and its like whoa.. NA underperformed so heavily what happened? and then all the excuses come out.. literally everything at hand..

and then they say.. EU .. well just a fluke.

just fyi ; someone applied the elo rating to the competitive scene for each region, since season 2.

I cant remember the exact numbers; but KR was at the top, china/EU next, then taiwan, but most shockingly then Wildcards, into NA.

KR had like 1550 rating, EU around 1350, and NA after wildcards had like 930ish. ( this was done starting at 1200elo ) -- this is without the entire season 1 including EU taking first worlds.

-- Bottem line is; people keep overhyping NA and don't actually watch the games ( or just dont understand it well enough ) and theres some perception about NA naturally being able to at least give a good show to the worlds best. People have no idea how little NA has done internationally.

Next tournament, TSM will end top 4 tho, mark my words, hell we're gonna have an NA final, even if next tourney woudlve been held 1 week after world's.

Language barrier isn't the reason for china's poor performance, coaching is.

LGD lost their head coach within a month of the tournament, and since head coaches are the ones who handle P&B which has never been as important as this season, that loss really hurt them.

EDG's coaching staff made a very questionable call that probably lost them the series against FNC. All the way back in the regional qualifier for the LPL the coaching staff decided that AmazingJ had adapted better to the juggernaut changes and made him the starter for that tournament as well as the group stages of worlds. Then all of a sudden they put Koro1 back as the starter despite his inactivity on the professional stage for so long and didn't even use AmazingJ during the series with FNC.

IG legitimately dropped the ball. they looked much better before the juggernaut changes, guess the current patch just wasn't one they meshed with to well.

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China couldn't make simply due to the language barriers, it's extremely hard to have a functional team of Korean and Chinese dudes working together, the Chinese teams thought you could buy Korean talent and build an amazing team like you do on soccer but e-sports don't work that way, and player affinity is super-important.

NA flunked their way out of worlds, they got overconfident, way too cocky, didn't prepare for the matches and lost LITERALLY EVERY WEEK 2 GAME, JESUS, EVEN THE GODDAMN IWC GAMES. That's because NA has the most media presence, so they had their "success" shoved in their faces all week long before the games, C9 took too much energy.

Taiwan actually put up one hell of a fight, but let's face it, AHQ drew the short stick (AHQ could have handily beaten OG or FNC, but they HAD to go against the ridiculous team) and FW, despite being mechanically superior to OG, flunked out in their decision making.

The only real surprise here is EU who's doing a FANTASTIC JOB, and while this worlds will clearly be for SKT, I'd already consider it a victory for the EU teams who have gone above and beyond expectations.

You are aware in the EU that language barrier issue also exists? For many of the EU pros, they aren't using their native language.

The difference is in the EU many Europeans study English as a universal language along with Spanish, French or German.

So to use "Language Barrier" as an excuse detracts from the Multi-National European teams that have put in the time and effort to learn to adapt to using English often over their native language.

Basically EDG didn't show up, FNC did, EDG didn't look great in the Group stages and never looked like the force they did in S4, FNC had a wobble in week 1 but knuckled down and are looking like the team that dominated the EU LCS.

I get it, NA went out early, EU are doing well so now comes the excuses as to why EU are doing well.

It's really as simple as the EU teams went home humble in S4, they learned a lot about being over-confident, they learned to put in the work and it's paying off now.

The NA, I'm sorry to say it, they are more interested in their Twitch Streams than putting in work and it showed.

Origen is EU, all EU. And I'd consider FNC more EU than TSM is considered NA (Worlds roster).

Well then we can't call EDG, IG, or LGD Chinese, and we can't call TSM NA.

Fnatic worked because the Koreans were implemented well and were used to their highest caliber, unlike China who just flings them around and hopes they carry.

I wouldn't call NA LCS NA, since there are 14 koreans playing there. I didn't bother counting players from other regions. Stay salty.

Damn by that logic half the teams in NA aren't even NA teams.

Goodbye Liquid, Goodbye Impulse, goodbye TSM, Goodbye Gravity.

And whoopee there goes 4/6 of the top 6 teams in NA.

Assuming H2K will be better than Origen is a very bad assumption.

Origen have never once looked weaker than H2K.