Leveling and Rewards - Early Impressions and Adjustments

RiotRiot Cactopus·11/11/2017, 2:58:09 AM·1 votes·590,426 views

##UPDATE 12/14 - We've updated some of the charts below to more accurately reflect the numbers presented. In particular, we had a mistake in the chart showing the 1–30 leveling rewards, and that has been fixed.


Hey guys! Over the last few days, we've gotten tons of questions and good feedback about the new leveling and rewards systems.

TL;DR for this post:

  • In response to your feedback, we're converting some of the XP in the FWotD bonus into Blue Essence.
  • We'll talk about how 1–30 leveling works now and how we've made leveling easier for everyone.
  • We'll examine the 30-and-Beyond leveling curve and make the leveling earn rate higher in the long term so it won't feel like you're being punished for reaching a high level.

We also already made one change: Earlier this week we raised the minimum value on loot boxes. The lowest possible drop used to be worth 720 BE, but now it's 810 BE.

Let's jump into the specifics.

#FIRST WIN OF THE DAY

First, let's talk about tweaks to the First Win of the Day (FWotD) bonus. We've seen more than a few of you asking for some way to gain blue essence while you’re in-between levels so you can buy champions that would otherwise be just out of your reach.

Our plan here is to convert some of the XP from the First Win of the Day boost into straight up blue essence. At system launch, FWotD granted 575 XP. When we ship this change (aiming for sometime during patch 7.23) it'll instead grant 50 BE and 400 XP.

#1-30 LEVELING SPEED

Now let's take a look at how we're making 1–30 leveling faster for just about everyone. We've seen some concerns about the leveling curve for new players and their experience when leveling from 1–30.** It's true that it takes more XP to climb between certain levels in the new system, but even with that change, leveling is still faster.** To understand how it works, let's look at it in detail.

In the old leveling system, an average game gave 115 XP. The chart below shows the total amount of games it took to get to Level 30:

https://i.imgur.com/qZ3GZjS.png[/img]

It took an average of 178 games to reach Level 30 (this of course varies based on game length and performance).

In the new leveling system, an average game gives 192 XP. In addition, First Win of the Day starts giving XP at level 15. This is where it gets a bit tricky to compare. If you get more FWotD , then it will take fewer total games. Our estimates say that the typical player gets FWotD once for every four games they play, but let’s also look at what happens when you only get FWotD every six games and every eight games as well.

https://i.imgur.com/1prRFHu.png[/img] _Data above assumes FWotD gives out 400 XP. _

If you're a typical player who gets FWotD every four games, it'll take 152 games to reach level 30, which is much faster. If you get FWotD every six games, it'll take 166 games. If you're a rare, super-hardcore player who gets a FWotD once every eight games, it'll take you 174 games to level up from 1–30.

So. This means that leveling from 1–30 is faster in the new system for just about everyone. The only way you'd be going slower is if you’re playing more than nine games before getting FWotD on average. Even then, we're talking about a difference of just a couple of games.

#1–30 REWARDS

Okay, so what about rewards? In the old system, you earned between 13,000 IP and 18,000 IP when leveling from 1–30 depending on how often you got FWotD.

So let's compare that to the rewards you get from the new system. Unlike all of the boxes after the level 30, the boxes you get in the new system when leveling from 1–30 are NOT random. Instead, every time you level up we give you either a specific champion or a set of champion shards worth a predetermined amount of blue essence (assuming you disenchant the shards).

Here is the blue essence value of everything you get from 1-30:

https://i.imgur.com/SLoCB0f.png[/img]

So this means you'll get an Icon, a Ward, and around 26,598 worth of blue essence and champs when leveling from 1–30 in the new system. Keep in mind that this is all assuming you're disenchanting every champ shard you got. If you upgrade them, the value increases even more.

That 26,598 blue essence total also isn't counting the new 50 BE per FWotD that you'll soon be getting, so the real total is even higher. Then consider that runes are now also free—it's just easier for new players to unlock champs in the new leveling system.

So, to review how the new leveling system impacts level 1–30 players: The vast majority of you are completing the journey faster (some MUCH faster), and all players end up with more rewards, no matter how you split it.

Alright, so that's 1–30 leveling. Time to talk about leveling beyond 30.

#THE 30-AND-BEYOND LEVELING CURVE

Okay, so now let's talk about what happens once you get very high-leveled in the new system. This part gets a little math heavy, but stick with us.

In the new leveling system, leveling gets harder the higher you climb. Beginning at level 30, the difficulty curve starts doing a sort of "staircase" effect. It gets harder as you approach milestone levels (every 25 levels), and then it goes back to being easier until you get closer to the next milestone level. In the current version of the leveling system that we shipped with preseason, the length of the journey between each milestone also gets harder on the whole until you reach level 150. From that point on, the staircases stop getting higher.

Because we got some early feedback that players don't want to feel punished for being high-leveled, we're going to go ahead and tweak the leveling curve to make high-level grinding easier. In the chart below you can see the leveling curve as it exists today (represented by the blue line) as well as what it'll look like after we change the system (represented by the orange line)—this change should ship during patch 7.23.

https://i.imgur.com/gMx52R0.png[/img]

With the changes we're making, leveling will now stop getting harder overall once you reach level 50. As before, leveling will still get more and more difficult before speeding up again after you pass each leveling milestone. After we ship the change the leveling as a whole stops slowing down at level 50 instead of at 150.

#COMPARING THE REWARDS SYSTEMS

Okay, but here's the question that's actually on everyone's minds: Do you get more or less overall BE from leveling compared to the IP you got from playing games in the old system? The answer is that on average, you will get more, no matter what level you are. And the only way you'll ever get even slightly less from the new system is if you're playing a truly crazy amount of League every day. Time to back up that claim with data.

Note that all of the following examples are accurate after we make the aforementioned changes to FWotD and the post-30 leveling speed.

In the chart below, we're comparing the total currency you will earn upon reaching specific levels in the new system to the IP you would have earned over the same number of games in the old system. The new system is represented by the orange bars. The old, IP-based system is represented by the blue bars.

https://i.imgur.com/3kfeyRw.png[/img]

Let's take a moment to explain what we're looking at in this chart. It makes a difference how many FWotD bonuses you get when playing. The chart above assumes that you get a FWotD bonus every four games. This is pretty much the typical player.

But plenty of you play more than four games in any given day. In that case your chart might look more like this:

https://i.imgur.com/zoupFFk.png[/img]

Here's a player that plays six games for every FWotD that they earn. This person plays League more than the typical player. Even at the highest level, this player will still earn more BE on average than they would've gotten in IP in the old system.

Just so we're covering all our bases, let's look at an exceptional example: a player that plays eight games on average for every FWotD that they earn. This person puts in serious work on League, regularly putting in eight games in a row. How do they fare in the new system compared to the old one?

https://i.imgur.com/tKssuz4.png[/img]

Even in this case, it's pretty close. How close? It's a total of just 2,300 BE less after 2,200 games. This disparity in earn rates between those who play many games per day and those who play slightly fewer is not new to League—we've always thought the FWotD bonus was worth including because it incentivizes players to regularly log in and jump into games. Players like this are still leveling faster than anyone else in the new system, and they'll get the new unique leveling rewards before anyone else (and the swag factor that comes with them).

It comes down to this: For the vast majority of players, this system will give out more currency on average than you would've gotten in the old IP-based world.

#CONCLUSION

Holy hell, that was a lot of charts, guys. This might sound weird, but we knew a system change this big wasn't going to be perfect out the gate. Preseason is a time for big changes, and we knew we'd need your feedback to get things right for everyone. So all we can ask for now is for you to keep it coming. We genuinely appreciate it.

We've heard a few other concerns about the new leveling and rewards systems, (especially around Mastery 6 & 7 prices and RNG in the loot system) but the changes announced above are the only ones we're ready to commit to today. For now, we're going to focus on tweaking just a few things at a time with the system so we can see the effects clearly.

Please keep playing and letting us know how the new system feels—we're listening. Hit us with any questions you have in the comments below!

761 Comments

Infernape11/11/2017, 3:12:37 AM89 votes

Riot don't pay you enough Cactopus.

Nefas11/11/2017, 4:45:19 AM58 votes

Your charts comparing IP and BE gains don’t really get to the heart of the problem. Gaining BE in chunks over long periods of time feels really crappy compared to getting regular, smaller amounts of IP after every game. And getting a little bit more currency on average in the long run doesn’t make up for that.

Karn Bishop11/11/2017, 3:28:11 AM48 votes

How about a disenchant button that dusts only the shards of champions i already own with one click, it takes forever to disenchant them otherwise.

zorlox7711/11/2017, 3:31:10 AM34 votes

Do you have any thoughts on updating the tutorial at some point? Most people seem to have forgotten it exists.

2FAX11/11/2017, 5:40:20 AM33 votes

So the system is better for the "average player" who plays ~4-6 games per day at every day which is ~28-42 games per week. At the same time the new system is worse for people who play "truly crazy amounts" of games like 0 from monday to friday and ~16-25 from saturday - sunday, which results in ~16-25 games per week. Did I catch that right?

Mordepool11/11/2017, 3:02:22 AM32 votes

+1 for graphs

ShinkoMinori11/11/2017, 5:06:33 AM24 votes

Don't you feel like this is alike Dynamic Queue and how Riot kept defending it until the whole community imploded with challengers getting matched with bronze 5 and finally bringing back solo Q back after the many many complaints that went for over half a year?

In this case its with Blue Essence/IP/The currency thats free. So it will have way more impact and already the community is melting on it...

My point is if you guys are going to listen to the community this time instead of pushing something that nobody wants just for the sake of copying other business models or just out of sheer idealism that this is the way to go? Why break something that was working?

You can try to tweak as much as u want if its something we don't want we just won't take it.

EYECRED11/11/2017, 5:28:37 PM21 votes

I just opened a garbage level up thing...And I just got double garen out of it, I guess riot is trolling me.

Anyways, RIOT, answer already.Why didn't you tell us you are changing the orange essence value too?!!?!?!Now we ain't getting shit from skin shards, like it even was a reason to modify this.....

QuantumLight11/11/2017, 3:15:03 AM17 votes

So does that mean everyone above level 4 is getting brand, garen, and ashe retroactively?

ExHentai11/11/2017, 3:23:06 AM15 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Cactopus,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=hAaYMrEs,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-11T02:58:09.454+0000)

Preseason is a time for big changes, and we knew we'd need your feedback to get things right for everyone. So all we can ask for now is for you to keep it coming. We genuinely appreciate it.

Can something along the lines of this quote be pinned to the top of the boards? It hurts my brain reading posts that read similar to "stop criticizing, stop complaining, stop providing feedback. Riot is omnipotent and their game is the work of the divine".

pumamew11/11/2017, 12:14:25 PM14 votes

I was lvl 18 before preseason start and it feels like I missed the important part on the way to get champions for early levels easier. I did some math and I had 8200 IP gained from 1-18. But in the new system it would be 10082 BE and Ashe and Garen and Brand . Ashe+Garen+Brand(450+450+4800) being 5700 BE, thats a total of 15782 IP so I missed roughly half of IP and it sucks, cause the leveling from 18 to 30 is much harder then from 1-18 and from 18 to 30 I will get 10230 BE which is 5500 less then from 1-18 which took less time. So for my leveling experience from 18-30 which belongs to the "getting champions to play" state of the new leveling System. In the old system, I can read in your chart, I would need on average 111 more games to get from 18 to 30. 111 games multiplied by average "old-system" IP gain from 67 IP is 7437 + 1. win of the day every 6 games which would be 18 times 150 which is 2700 IP . So i add 7437 with 2700 and got 10100 IP which is very close to the new System. And the old system would be better if I dont calculated with 1. Win of the day IP every 6 but every 4 games. So even if its very rewarding on the early levels from 1-18 which takes about 55 games. About the double of time (111 games) it could be even worse then the old system. And thats the problem I see with the new system which needs to be fixed. And especially in my case its very unfortunately. Please give me the "now" BE I lost in the early levels.

Aristotelaras11/11/2017, 4:00:46 AM11 votes

This is really nice but please consider making first win of the day reset every 24 hours instead of when you take your first win

IHOPTDK11/11/2017, 4:54:11 AM4 votes

I feel like you're not remotely taking into consideration how much xp you get when losing or God forbid, if you go on a losing streak.