@Periscope No really, you're going to have to explain this. This is just ridiculous.

Unward49·Sep 14, 2018·3 votes·1,927 views

Hey Unward49,

We've recently removed your post for violating the Boards Universal Rules, particularly regarding inappropriate discussions.

Your removed content:

> What part of grabbing another guys balls is "gamer culture"?

One person's actions does not a culture make. Every group has it's crazies. You can have an individual take responsibility for inappropriate conduct without it being a systemic cultural problem.

I'll give you an example. [...]

As per the Boards Universal Rules, we do not tolerate posts that discuss:

Religion Sex Politics Any social issues, though some exceptions may be appropriate While we understand that players may be passionate about certain topics, the topics listed are problematic on the Boards because they generally end up derailing, leading to arguments and insults.

I'd like to emphasize that this is not a warning; however, please take some time to familiarize yourself with the Boards Universal Rules, as well as the guidelines for any sub-board you intend to post in before you do so.

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So let me get this straight.

I'm not even allowed to quote another person's words if those words might be against board policy. You can't simply change them in the reply, you have to actually just remove my entire post?

We were NOT discussing general social issues, we were specifically discussing Riot's policies and how they impact the game at large. Now, if your assertion is that we aren't allowed to talk about Riot's decisions vis-a-vis their policies AT ALL, then what, precisely is the point of having a general discussion board.

No really.

Explain it to me.

I want it straight from the mouth of the beast.

Why aren't I allowed to talk about Riot's policies? That's not a political issue. Or is it? If Riot's policies ARE political, then what does that say about Riot's policies and why are THEY engaging in politics when we are not allowed to talk about it?

18 Comments

ModPeriscopeSep 14, 20183 votes

Apologies. I removed your comment specifically for the political reference. That was left out of the quoted part of your comment. The political reference was not previously mentioned in the thread.

Unward49Sep 14, 20181 votes

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Apologies. I removed your comment specifically for the political reference. That was left out of the quoted part of your comment. The political reference was not previously mentioned in the thread.

First off, apology accepted.

Secondly, am I then to deduce that simply mentioning the name of any individual who may have some connection to politics is against the rules of the board? Because I was not making a political point with the reference to Trump, I was making an analogy of the U.S. culture as a whole not being represented by every action or opinion of the leader of that country.

Should I restrict myself to references so obscure that no-one will possibly understand them in context? Because I CAN do that if that's what you want. Or is it that you are specifically silencing everything I have to say about the subject of Riot's new focus on diversity and inclusion.

ModPeriscopeSep 14, 20181 votes

For the most part, mentioning politics on the boards goes in one direction: other posters will start discussing politics in a way that is entirely unrelated to your post and also unrelated to League. I know you weren't making a point directly related to League, but that's how political references derail conversations.

Unward49Sep 14, 20181 votes

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For the most part, mentioning politics on the boards goes in one direction: other posters will start discussing politics in a way that is entirely unrelated to your post and also unrelated to League. I know you weren't making a point directly related to League, but that's how political references derail conversations.

So you are confirming my assertion that the rules regarding what is acceptable on the boards are way too tight to allow real conversations to take place then?

ModiSep 15, 20181 votes

So you are confirming my assertion that the rules regarding what is acceptable on the boards are way too tight to allow real conversations to take place then?

The boards is not the place to have so-called "real" discussions, unless the discussions really relate to league. Purely political conversations serve no positive purpose here, where everyone is anonymous and do not all follow the same rules of decorum. I am a member of a clan that plays/played Unreal Tournament (mostly UT2k3 and UT2k4). We are a very close knit group of like minded people who share a deep respect for one another. We have gone though a lot together, including loss of family, and even loss of members of the clan. I consider them part of my extended family.

Bringing it back to the point: even a closely knit group of friends who are like minded and have similar political beliefs shies away from political conversation on our private boards. You know why? Because we realize that all it takes is one slight slight disagreement on the subject of politics, and the polite discourse can devolve into chaotic arguing.

Now imagine that here, a place where I don't know you, you don't know me. We would likely have very little respect for one another (due to the fact that we do not know each other, and thus have not earned that respect). If close friends & family can devolve into chaos during political discussion, think what will (most likely) happen if the floodgates are opened in a place where nearly everyone is unknown and anonymous?

That would be uncontrollable, and possibly lead to the closure of the boards.

DrCyanideSep 14, 20182 votes

I'm going to copy part of this from my reply to Unward49

I think he was completely on point with how he used his Trump example. It was easy to understand, appropriate for the conversation, it got his point across, and it was structured in a way that wasn't likely to lead the conversation into US Politics as a whole.

Furthermore, we've seen more politically charged and less level comments dealing with Trump fly under the radar, including some of my own that have toed the line. This deletion should be reversed.

DrCyanideSep 14, 20181 votes

The thread of Riot's Policies are still up. The post about Trump got deleted.

Unward49Sep 14, 20181 votes

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The thread of Riot's Policies are still up. The post about Trump got deleted.

With all due respect Cyanide, you're not the mouth of the beast and you know full well, that was an allusion for the purposes of making a comparison.

There was nothing political being discussed. So if Riot's policy is that you cannot even make mention of anything potentially political, so, for instance, using Donald Trump in a thread is against the rules BECAUSE HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE US and that means he is intractably connected to politics, then I want to hear them say it explicitly because that is the level of censorship you are all being accepting of.

DrCyanideSep 14, 20181 votes

You asked "Why aren't I allowed to talk about Riot's policies?" I pointed out it wasn't deleted for talking about Riot's policies. For some stuff like this I think you need to take a step back, because you're pulling in content/questions that doesn't help further what you're really trying to get at.

Honestly, I think you were completely on point with how you used your Trump example. It was easy to understand, appropriate for the conversation, it got your point across, and it was structured in a way that wasn't likely to lead the conversation into US Politics as a whole.

I know we're not seeing eye to eye on Riot policy, but think you were right with using this example.

Unward49Sep 14, 20181 votes

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You asked "Why aren't I allowed to talk about Riot's policies?" I pointed out it wasn't deleted for talking about Riot's policies. For some stuff like this I think you need to take a step back, because you're pulling in content/questions that doesn't help further what you're really trying to get at.

Honestly, I think you were completely on point with how you used your Trump example. It was easy to understand, appropriate for the conversation, it got your point across, and it was structured in a way that wasn't likely to lead the conversation into US Politics as a whole.

I know we're not seeing eye to eye on Riot policy, but think you were right with using this example.

And this is why I'm still talking to you. Because for all that we vehemently disagree with me, you aren't being underhanded in speaking, we're just doing a lot of talking over each other, so I want to try and narrow the focus onto things we can agree on and move from there.

EvilDustManSep 14, 20181 votes

It falls under sex and obscene.

OleandervineSep 14, 20181 votes

This will be a VERY rare moment for me - But that part is relevant to the conversation. Unward is referencing an article which alleges that one of Riot's higher ranking officials often engaged in "frat boy" behaviors like farting on people, grabbing their balls, and humping them.

Unward49Sep 14, 20181 votes

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This will be a VERY rare moment for me - But that part is relevant to the conversation. Unward is referencing an article which alleges that one of Riot's higher ranking officials often engaged in "frat boy" behaviors like farting on people, grabbing their balls, and humping them.

Well would you look at that?

Even my opponents feel I've been silenced un-necessarily? I mean, it couldn't be that this is pattern or anything could it?

OleandervineSep 14, 20184 votes

Don't gloat. Bringing American politics and the president into your thread had no relevance to the conversation and was removed because it did nothing but degrade the thread, so you weren't wrongly silenced for that. It just so happens that that particular post also had relevant thread information in it as well. If they had removed the post and it did not contain political jabs, then yes, you would have been wrongly silenced. But they removed a post that did have political jabs, so it was justified.

Unward49Sep 14, 20181 votes

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Don't gloat. Bringing American politics and the president into your thread had no relevance to the conversation and was removed because it did nothing but degrade the thread, so you weren't wrongly silenced for that. It just so happens that that particular post also had relevant thread information in it as well. If they had removed the post and it did not contain political jabs, then yes, you would have been wrongly silenced. But they removed a post that did have political jabs, so it was justified.

Who's gloating?

Also, Cyanide confirmed the validity of the analogy I was constructing so no, I wasn't wrong to bring it up nor was I being political about anything by doing so. It was an incredibly salient point that the moderators would be very pleased if I just stopped pointing out, because it makes Riot look bad. Because it IS bad.

EvilDustManSep 14, 20181 votes

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This will be a VERY rare moment for me - But that part is relevant to the conversation. Unward is referencing an article which alleges that one of Riot's higher ranking officials often engaged in "frat boy" behaviors like farting on people, grabbing their balls, and humping them.

Christ on a crutch.

MrFawknSunshineSep 14, 20181 votes

what does any of this have to do with buffing yasou and zoe ?

Unward49Sep 14, 20181 votes

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what does any of this have to do with buffing yasou and zoe ?

Do you actually want to know? It's actually very relevant, but it will take me some time to lay it all out, so if you're not actually interested then I'll send you to this other thread to read it there instead of typing it all out again.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/wL42AOFN-riot-says-cultural-evolution-is-their-new-top-priority

See my response about incompetence in the new Starwars movies. That's how it's relevant. If that's a bit esoteric and you want me to elaborate, I'd be happy to.