Why does moderation pick sides?

AlienPrimate·Aug 28, 2018·1 votes·1,811 views

Why is it that my posts which are not targeted towards any individual which are found offensive by some when I am just sharing my views get deleted while all of this are still open to be read? These are straight up insults directed at an individual (me). Just because I am in the minority my posts get deleted, one of which was just copying and pasting definitions from dictionary.com. People always make comments about "downvotes without giving a reason" so I share my reason for my downvote only for it to be deleted.

> {quoted} >an actual logical argument

> {quoted} > > How sick minded you have to be

> [{quoted}](name=Lady Faceless,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=q5YA4UeX,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-08-26T20:38:35.170+0000) >>you are, even if you wont use that word, a homophobic. Simple as that.

> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=q5YA4UeX,comment-id=00070002,timestamp=2018-08-26T21:05:29.694+0000) > > Yikes.

> {quoted} > > If you had no intention of making a logical comment on a thread which clearly wasn't pointed at you, why did you feel the need to comment when you don't agree with the subject?

At least stay consistent. If I can't share my views then these people shouldn't be able to call me an illogical, sick-minded homophobe when I am not a homophobe to begin with. That is equivalent to me calling a democrat a libtard simply because I don't agree with them.

41 Comments

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20183 votes

You don't get why some people are gay? I don't either, but I don't get a lot of things! I don't get why someone would like yellow cars. Liking yellow cars doesn't mean someone deserves to go to hell.

People are pretty goddamn different. They can like different things from us.

Sorry dude, but there's no way it would be okay for you to talk about it like you did. It's not a condition. You desperately need to educate yourself about that. Walking around in the 21st century thinking that people are less righteous than you simply for liking someone you think they shouldn't? That does deserve a "yikes."

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

People are taking "condition" way too seriously. My condition is being 5'10 and 220 lbs. My condition is that I'm white. My condition is that I'm heterosexual.

Again though, why is nobody offended that I "called" %%%%phelia a condition? The only reason is that because the western world views %%%%phelia as being bad (as it should) but for some reason no longer views homosexuality that way.

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20182 votes

In the same comment, you both claim that condition doesn't mean something bad, and acknowledge that condition means something bad.

And still, the point remains. The two things, ped vs gay are not comparable at all. They're nothing alike. Consent is a thing.

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

They are not something bad unless acted upon I should say. Being a %%%%%%%%% is fine as long as you never abuse a child.

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20181 votes

The problem isn't that you believe something, although there's certainly something to be said about the fact that you believe it.

The problem is that you came on the boards and forced other people to see your extremely ignorant, demeaning and offensive beliefs.

You compared being gay to having a condition. On the sole grounds that "God said so." Which He didn't even say, but whatever.

The boards are not the place to preach about your beliefs or "warn people" about His holy wrath.
How would you like it if people said you were 'disgusting' for what your favorite food was? Who people saddle up with is their choice, just like eating your favorite food is your choice. You might not control the fact that you have that preference, but you should damn well have the freedom to choose whether or not to eat it without being judged by some arrogant jerks somewhere.

Edit: I see that I didn't answer your earlier question about why ped being a "condition" isn't offending people. That's because people can tell the difference between

a consensual relationship between two adults and
a relationship that involves someone who can't even give consent going through things that could leave them mentally or physically traumatized.

LBmyBBAug 28, 20181 votes

I'm sorry, but I dont understand what you're trying to say here? Are you trying to say that moderation is leaning towards the more quoteunquote liberal side of things? Personally, I'm in favor of you being able to say almost anything that you want to an extent, cuz I mean even the people who are trying to shut you up are guilty of practicing the same thing (yaknow SPEAKING THEIR MINDS like all the time)

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20182 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/f/6kFXY1kR/d/q5YA4UeX?comment=000700000002000000000000

In this post I made a comment about why it is stupid to force champions to fully reveal themselves as being LGBT and compared the lack of it, although we have Varus which the OP didn't want to take as filling the role, to being equivalent to not having a serial rapist, white trash racist, or world peace loving vegan champion to represent those types of people. I then compared edophiles to homosexuals saying they have a very similar condition. In a later comment I straight up copied and pasted the definition of each and only one word changed in the definitions, who they are sexually attracted to. Someone else mentioned that I am obviously a believer so I went with it and explained why I believe homosexuality is a sin in the same way that adultery or fornication is. Later I went into more detail on why %%%%phelia and homosexuality is nearly identical and how both are not sins unless acted upon. Having a personal preference to something does not make something a sin. Only having a physical relationship to satisfy that preference is. In all of these posts I never referenced any person and I even had someone say this to me acknowledging that I was being polite.

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I'm sorry but i gotta ask you to stop here, your thin layer of politeness doesn't grant you immunity from criticism when you are basically saying people are wrong for loving a person of their same gender.

There was another comment of mine saying that ANIMALS, not humans practice cannibalism, euthanization, and infanticide to debunk someone's statement that homosexuality is found in the animal kingdom so it is natural. This comment strictly about what animals do was even deleted.

EldeazarAug 28, 20183 votes

saying they have a very similar condition

Ok, this is why your comments get deleted: you are making statements that perpetuate a stigma towards homosexuality and they are explicitly homophobic, filled with prejudice, which is against this boards guidelines.

You should compare the definition of heterosexual to homosexual, I don't need to quote a dictionary to tell you there is only a very slight difference in the definition. The former are attracted to a different gender and the latter to the same.

Now, when you say "condition" you very much imply homosexuality is a disorder, which accordingly to plenty of studies in the field of psychology, it is not. It's a normal variation of human sexuality and part of someone's identity. It's very far from the behaviors you are describing and comparing it to, which are psychiatric disorders and crimes.

Your comparison is just very insulting to any homosexual and I think you do realize that, you are entitled to your own opinions and free from expressing your beliefs in a way that does not insult others or feeds hate and misconceptions.

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

So my opinion can be insulting to a homosexual but other people's can't be insulting to me or other like minded inividuals? My opinion can be insulting but yours can't be insulting to a %%%%%%%%%?

EldeazarAug 28, 20183 votes

"I think moderation is biased" -Your opinion, cool, we can discuss that "I believe some behaviors are sins" -Your religion, your beliefs, I respect

they have a very similar condition.

You are not stating an opinion here, you are stating wrong facts and being offensive to a minority. And note that when your opinions can be hurtful you have to be mindful about it when expressing them.

Nonetheless, I will not delve into further discussion on this topic. I would love to educate you but the boards of League of Legends aren't the place for this. If you have strong feelings about this, move the discussion somewhere else.

LBmyBBAug 28, 20181 votes

Well how do you know they are wrong facts? Sounds to me it's rather opinion on the subject than absolute fact coming from you.

EldeazarAug 28, 20183 votes

In the mid-1970s, on the basis of emerging scientific evidence and encouraged by the social movement for ending sexual orientation discrimination, the American Psychological Association (APA) and other professional organizations affirmed that homosexuality per se is not a mental disorder and rejected the stigma of mental illness that the medical and mental health professions had previously placed on sexual minorities. This action, along with the earlier action of the American Psychiatric Association that removed homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM; American Psychiatric Association, 1973), helped counter the social stigma that the mental illness concept had helped to create and maintain. (...) On the basis of growing scientific evidence (Gonsiorek, 1991), licensed mental health providers of all professions increasingly took the perspective throughout this period that homosexuality per se is a normal variant of human sexuality and that lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) people deserve to be affirmed and supported in their sexual orientation, relationships, and social opportunities.

"Report of the American Psychological Association Task Force", 2009, American Psychological Association.

And you will found plenty more resources that will corroborate my statements, since this is described for many years now.

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

I can do that too.

"Earth is the center of the universe", ~330 BC, Aristotle.

EldeazarAug 28, 20181 votes

That is a recent reference that is backed up by the entire scientific community? 330BC....

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

At the time it was, just as the one you referenced is now.

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20182 votes

That's stupid, the examples are not comparable at all.

EldeazarAug 28, 20181 votes

Thank you, it's tiresome to see so many faulty comparisons. I give up. You can't reason with internalized homophobia. Hoping this thread gets cleaned up soon.

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

In my defense though, my thread was about moderation and not about the actual topic at hand. I could care less if most of this entire thread gets deleted past me describing what happened that was previously deleted/not deleted.

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20181 votes

I don't think people are beyond reason, they're just really really really entrenched in their thinking. If we never talk with them about it then they never are given opportunities to learn.

LBmyBBAug 28, 20181 votes

not THOSE facts. I think I misread what you were talking about (lets be real it's easy to get lost in these monologues)

LBmyBBAug 28, 20183 votes

Lot of big words here 0-0. And are you trying to equate it to all those other things? Cuz they aren't exactly the same ya know? And also, take a look at humans and animals. See any difference? (that's in favor of ur comment)

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

I was trying to make a point that just because an animal does something doesn't mean that it isn't wrong. Trying to justify anything by using animal behavior as a basis puts humans on the same level as beasts which we are obviously better than.

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

Inb4 "now you are calling homosexuals beasts."

No, learn to read. I called animals beasts.

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20183 votes

I'm sorry but you're comparing two things that are not comparable. The reason it is wrong to act upon ped urges is because it causes mental and physical harm to the younger person in the "relationship."

Homosexuality between two consenting adults is nothing like that. Nobody gets hurt, and they aren't affecting anybody else. It's not grounds for thinking they are somehow inferior to other people.

Did you ever wonder why those rules in the old religious texts existed?

"No eating pork" this was because pork often spoiled, and people would get sick from eating it
"No relationships with people of the same gender as you" This was to ensure the survival of the species in (pre)medieval times when the church needed people to reproduce as much as possible to offset how many people would die from disease and other problems. Getting caught up in a homosexual relationship meant that two people would stop participating in reproduction for the species, which made them into a weight on the community without producing offspring to participate in the community in the future.
"Beating your wife with a stick is okay as long as it's thinner than your thumb" I got nothing here, it was probably to reduce permanent injuries or death from beatings, but beating your wife in general is horrible and should not be considered right or okay.

All of these are outdated and any modern follower of religion would know that they're irrelevant these days.

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

Relationships with people of the same gender as you is is viewed as evil in the eyes of God and will be punished so (unless repentance is to be had). Also keep in mind that the no eating pork and possibly, I can't say I know of a reference to this, beating your wife parts were at least in the Bible no binding. These were done away with after Jesus.

Hebrews 8:13 - In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The old covenant being the laws that you mentioned which only applied to the Jews to begin with.

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20181 votes

Eating pork was evil in the eyes of God.

And all the shit against gay people was old texts anyways.

All of the scripture was transcribed and translated by the church. Do you honestly think they didn't add stuff in? They're God's shepherds. It is highly likely that they felt it was their duty to codify things that they felt people should and shouldn't do in order to help preserve civilization and society.

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

Did they change things when translating? Sure, but they kept the meaning the same. William Shakespeare actually put his name in the Bible when he was helping translate it but only because he found a way of doing so without changing the meaning. Using this argument that "the church added stuff" is also a flawed argument because the original texts are available and can be translated from Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic which are the original languages.

The part about Shakespeare is in Psalm 46. Look at the 46th word in and from the end. Also for those less versed in the Bible, Psalms is made entirely of translated poetry. That is why this reads awkwardly and doesn't really seem to go anywhere.

1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.

2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;

3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.

4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.

5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.

6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

7 The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge.

8 Come, behold the works of the Lord, what desolations he hath made in the earth.

9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.

10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

11 The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge.

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20181 votes

I'm talking about the original stuff, it had to be transcribed and written down way back at the beginning too. I'm saying that stuff was put in then too, stuff that made sense at the time but is now irrelevant in modern times.

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

There is stuff in the Bible that did not make sense at the time both scientifically and morally. Job talks about the movement of 2 star clusters, Pleiades and Orion that wasn't known about until the telescope was invented over 2000 years after it was written. There is also the moral side of unheard of things in the Bible. What Paul wrote in Ephesians about marriage would have looked absurd in the time of wives basically being treated as baby making cattle.

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20181 votes

I already gave you very clear reasons as to why being gay or eating pork would be banned in old times. We as a society don't face the same difficulties medieval and older societies faced. Thus, the "rules" I outlined from the scripture relating to these things are irrelevant nowadays.

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

Why is because God said so so hard for people to accept? God said murder is bad so don't do it. God said stealing is bad so don't do it. God said giving to the poor is good so help the next homeless person you see. God said lying is bad so don't do it. God said loving your neighbor is good, so love them. God said be fruitful and multiply, so getting married and making babies is good. GOD SAID SODOMY IS BAD, SO DON'T DO IT.

God thinking sodomy is so bad that he will have meteors demolish cities killing thousands of people to stop it from happening gives me a pretty good inclination that I should spread the word about it being a sin. I should really be spreading the gospel and then the other stuff will just happen naturally, but any post like that is guaranteed to be removed in a matter of minutes.

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20181 votes

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Why is because God said so so hard for people to accept? God said murder is bad so don't do it. God said stealing is bad so don't do it. God said giving to the poor is good so help the next homeless person you see. God said lying is bad so don't do it. God said loving your neighbor is good, so love them. God said be fruitful and multiply, so getting married and making babies is good.

All of the above are easily things priests/monks would have wanted to ensure the public followed. And I can give simple reasons for these as well. The following reasons are objectively speaking, there are moral reasons to do these things too like just the fact that they're good or bad. But it doesn't take God to show people that these things are bad anymore, our society teaches them just fine.

Murder is objectively bad for society because if someone dies, they can no longer contribute to society.

Stealing is bad because everyone deserve to be compensated fairly for their work and because if everybody stole, nobody would bother making stuff because they wouldn't benefit from it.

Helping the poor is good because they can contribute to society if they aren't stuck in a gutter somewhere.

Lying is bad because it leads to all kinds of problems. God didn't have a monopoly on this, many cultures in the past taught that lying was bad.

Loving your neighbor is good because cooperation within a community leads to greater success and prosperity for everyone.

Being fruitful would be good because as I explained earlier our lifespans were too short back then and people had to multiply to keep civilization going.

GOD SAID SODOMY IS BAD, SO DON'T DO IT.

God thinking sodomy is so bad that he will have meteors demolish cities killing thousands of people to stop it from happening gives me a pretty good inclination that I should spread the word about it being a sin. I should really be spreading the gospel and then the other stuff will just happen naturally, but any post like that is guaranteed to be removed in a matter of minutes.

Actually, sodomy would be bad because if people got the pleasure of sex without actually reproducing, then the species would lose out on valuable offspring who could have been born and grown up to contribute to society. But the thing is, people's lifespans are more than twice as long now. And we contribute / benefit from more than enough to live on and make more choices freely.

We haven't seen any meteor strikes lately, and I'm absolutely certain if you go on pornhub you could find examples of sodomy. So no, I highly doubt there's a need to "warn" people about His wrath. The only reason people do this sort of thing nowadays is to thump their bible and act superior to other people.

AlienPrimateAug 28, 20181 votes

Or maybe we actually believe that hell is real and don't want or fellow humans to go there. If you are having the time of your life driving 100 mph down the road with a cliff at the end of it, I'm not going to tell you to change your ways to feel superior because I'm not into doing that. I'm going to tell you to stop so you don't fall into the pit.

LBmyBBAug 28, 20181 votes

eating pork isn't wrong. There was a reason for it, totally honest I kinda forgot, probably to separate God's people from the rest of the world is my best guess from what I remember (leviticus is a hard book no joke). However most of the those dumb laws are irrelavent cuz it says so later but it also says (later) that you gotta distinguish which ones to keep and which ones to throw out. One law says you shouln't wear clothes of 2 linens way back in leviticus. IDK what my shirt is made of.

TheKingOfBichesAug 28, 20181 votes

Was that in the player behavior section? Because no joke mods litteraly focus on that section and ban the smallest shit. As long as you disagree with them your targeted for a ban/removal lmao.

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20182 votes

Ever think about the fact that it's your attitude and tendency to say punishable things that gets you punished rather than the mods specifically targeting you?

Do not spread misinformation, as far as we know the mods do not "target" people for bans. Until you have evidence to support that claim I suggest you keep that little conspiracy theory to yourself.

TheKingOfBichesAug 28, 20181 votes

Ill agree that some of my post where justified for a removal,but the thing that bothers me is that it only gets removed when I say it in the player behavior section. I've seen people say shit that warrants a removal,but they never get deleted as long as they don't post in the player behavior section. And mine seem to get looked at immediately.

Now going back to what I said that only some of my post were justified for a removal; I litteraly told someone "glad they fucked off". How the hell did I break the rules by saying that?? My post got removed lmao.Somthing seems off is all im saying.

Lets not forget the fact that people in player behaviour are litteraly breaking the rules daily by basically insulting toxic players by calling them "assholes, dicks"etc.(universal rules says to respect other people) I've reprted their comments but it dosent get removed. I call people "sensitive,sjw,babys" and mine gets removed instantly as long as I disagree with the hive mind thinking toxicity is bad.

I don't like being monitored just because i spam disliked opinions on the player behavior section,while others get off Scott free as long as they don't disagree.

Pretty ironic because the player behavior section is a toxic environment.

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20182 votes

Maybe somebody just has a hate boner for you, it's possible a regular user just follows you and reports you. The mods review whatever hits the queue, as far as I know they don't keep a "shit-list" of people who they're trying to get rid of.
People who insult posters who got punished and post in player behavior get punished too. And I report them whenever I see them. The mods don't like it any more than you or I do, but they only have so many eyes and so many minutes of free time a day. And the playerbase in general reports less when the comment is insulting someone who they think deserves it.
It's not just because you spam disliked opinions that you get moderated, it's because you blame victims and avoid learning from people's reasonable responses in favor of spouting the same ignorant and offensive crap all over again.

TheKingOfBichesAug 28, 20181 votes

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Maybe somebody just has a hate boner for you, it's possible a regular user just follows you and reports you. The mods review whatever hits the queue, as far as I know they don't keep a "shit-list" of people who they're trying to get rid of.

So they don't review my reports? Considering that they are litteraly breaking the rules by insulting people.

People who insult posters who got punished and post in player behavior get punished too. And I report them whenever I see them. The mods don't like it any more than you or I do, but they only have so many eyes and so many minutes of free time a day. And the playerbase in general reports less when the comment is insulting someone who they think deserves it.

How the fuck is that fair?they break the rules,but as long as they don't get reported much,their post won't get removed?

It's not just because you spam disliked opinions that you get moderated, it's because you blame victims

That's bannable???

and avoid learning from people's reasonable responses

That's bannable???

in favor of spouting the same ignorant and offensive crap all over again.

I don't post anything offensive,and yet again being ignorant is bannable???

And in your other post you called someone "sensitive" because they were flaming.and my post got removed twice just for calling people sensitive.you know what?don't edit your post,im going to report it and ill show you what I mean when your post stays for saying something my post got deleted for.

HalcyonDwellerAug 28, 20181 votes

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So they don't review my reports? Considering that they are litteraly breaking the rules by insulting people.

No, I'm sure they do review your reports. As far as I know they don't ignore peoples' reports, I don't think they can even see who did the reporting so that's out of the question. Some days they just get very busy.

How the fuck is that fair?they break the rules,but as long as they don't get reported much,their post won't get removed?

Nope, not what I'm saying here. I'm saying that if most people are unlikely to report it, then it won't get reported and put into the queue until someone who cares does report it.

That's bannable???

I don't know, but if you're doing it in a way that sows discord and sparks fights instead of meeting people halfway in discussions then that might be punishable.

That's bannable???

That's not what I'm saying, you really need to read the rest of that sentence. "...in favor of spouting the same ignorant and offensive crap all over again." The issue is that after people have shown you where you're wrong to do this, you go and do it again anyways, and it's offensive enough that after being warned by people you should have known better.

I don't post anything offensive,and yet again being ignorant is bannable???

And in your other post you called someone "sensitive" because they were flaming.and my post got removed twice just for calling people sensitive.you know what?don't edit your post,im going to report it and ill show you what I mean when your post stays for saying something my post got deleted for.

Whatever dude. I only used your own rhetoric against you to point out that accusing people of being sensitive for reporting flaming is hypocritical.

ModAttysu The PoroAug 29, 20181 votes

Firstly, I reassure you that honestly, mods do not have time to sit down and target someone we don't like. We look at the queue and act on what we see. If we see someone with a history of problematic behavior when it shows up, we will clean out those posts at once. We're also volunteers, so if you report someone and it's not down the same time your post is down, it is perfectly possible we didn't get to it.

Looking back at your post, it wasn't the fact that you hold these religious beliefs that we removed your comments. It's the fact that the Boards are not an appropriate place to discuss your religious beliefs, what you believe is okay, your stance on social issues, etc. Sexuality in terms of game/art design is fine to discuss, but elevating that into a discussion about religion and social issues strictly is not allowed.

This is allowed:

Here is one that is actually from me. When can we stop pretending that characters in a fantasy world actually matter? The creators will create what they want and they get paid to do so. I'm not going to walk into the nearest architectural company and demand to have certain features on the next building they design expecting it to happen. It is their job, not mine.

This is not allowed:

"When can we have a serial rapist to represent them?" I find being in a gay relationship to be just as bad as rape btw

This isn't okay because it crosses the line of talking about sexuality in a game, to talk about real world stances on the issue. To add; having an opinion about something is fine, but when that opinion hurts other people, or compares someone living their lives peacefully to a horrendous crime, that's when its not allowed. Overall, this just isn't the place to have that kind of discussion.

I'll be locking this thread as this whole discussion has also devolved into a bit of a political and religious debate, which is also inappropriate for the boards. If you have any further questions, feel free to contact us on the Boards Moderation Discord here or on Discuss the Boards here.