Sivir's 4.10 Changes

CrazedPorcupine·Jun 8, 2014·2 votes·510 views

So, Riot said that they're looking into for the 4.10 or 4.11 patch looking to see how to improve Sivir's TEAMFIGHT without affecting her farming. I have a few Ideas which may not be perfectly balanced but easily balanceable.

Ricochet, Ricochet is Sivir's characteristic ability, but it doesn't really provide that much BANG. Now I have 2 possible changes to it that would buff Sivir's teamfight without buffing her farming that much.

Every time Sivir hit's an enemy champion, Ricochet's cooldown is decreased by a small amount. This means more ricochet's in teamfights as her Q and W bounces hit lots of champions, this gives Sivir more AoE teamfight ability without changing how she farms.
Every 4 hit's on champions while Ricochet is active grants another charge to richochet, This means that every time Sivir hits 4 champs with ricochet, she can get one more ricocheting attack. So theoretically, in a full 5v5 teamfight, Sivir could have nearly infinite ricochets until the teamfight is over.
Ricochet's extra bounces deal 60/70/80/90/100% of the original attack's damage to enemy champions. This means that Her farming stays the same, but her Teamfight is buffed by increasing the damage her Ricochet does in teamfights.

Now, that's only Ricochet. I feel that Sivir's E and R could also use a small amount of love.

Sivir's E: Spell shield, I think could also use a small cooldown reduction when it successfully blocks a spell, this would help Sivir stay alive in fights, and helps reward Sivir's for using spell shields properly.

Sivir's R: PASSIVE: Changing the scaling of Sivir's Ult's Passive component from 40/60/80% attack speed to 40/70/100% attack speed would help out sivir's Late game, and combined with the Ricochet changes, would grant a LOT of AoE teamfight damage.

Now, I think looking at all the possibilities would help out sivir's teamfight immensly and would help bring her up to a very strong teamfight based carry.

10 Comments

WorgslargJun 8, 20141 votes

Make ricochet a toggle, while active attacks consume mana but deal x% reduced damage to the enemies hit?

CrazedPorcupineJun 8, 20141 votes

Ricochet used to be that way back in season one and before, This wasn't very good as mana isn't a very good way to gate an ability like that, especially with how spell shield is set up. This still provide meaningful ways to allow Sivir's Teamfighting to be buffed without changing mana costs, or affecting her Farming in any way.

Angry MonsterJun 8, 20141 votes

So you said with out buffing her to much.... and then give over power ideas. Are you high?

CrazedPorcupineJun 9, 20142 votes

Her W proposal is only ONE of the 3 ideas... not all 3. And they don't have to take all of the ideas, only one or 2. Right now, Sivir's AS steroid is very small compared to other ADC's. Jinx gets a 110% AS steroid simply for attacking, Tristana gets a 90% attack speed steroid for no cost other than a sizable cooldown, Sivir's AS steroid is tied to 2 different abilities, her Ult and her W.

Her E is balanced, but could provide more reward for skillful use by reducing it's cooldown slightly, maybe 2-3 seconds at rank 5 for a successful block.

You honestly thought that I wanted all 3 ideas for Sivir's W to be implemented? That's way too broken. Only 1 of the 3 ideas is needed to buff her teamfight. And Honestly If I wanted Sivir OP, I'd have done way more.

Angry MonsterJun 9, 20141 votes

all 3 of your idea are over powered.

you obviously do not understrand the amount of power just one of your ideas have. And u say you u want to couple one of them, with a R boost.

No thanks

CrazedPorcupineJun 9, 20143 votes

You've said they're OP, without explaining how... How exactly are they OP? They only affect her teamfight ability... the first option means that the more often she hits champs, the more W boosted autos she can put out, this doesn't buff her farming at all since it doesn't work on minions, the 2nd option makes it so she keeps her R's attack speed buff so long as she hits plenty of champions with her ricochets, and the third option makes her W's bounces BETTER AGAINST CHAMPS ONLY.

That, and I'm only asking for ONE W buff, and honestly her R's passive AS only applies for maybe 1.5 seconds every 4 seconds... that's not that much. Her E's cooldown at rank 5 is around 10 seconds or so, Thresh gets a CD reduction for landing a hook.

Again, explain WHY my suggestions are OP, don't just scream OP and downvote, it doesn't provide discussion.

Angry MonsterJun 9, 20141 votes

kchaosrei

you obviously do not understand the amount of power just one of your ideas have. And u say you u want to couple one of them, with a R boost.

pretty sure right their i stated how. The amount of power you are offering. Siv is not unplayable. She is a tad weaker. Everything u are sujesting is so op its not even funny. If you would think things through a bit i would not have to explain this out. Your lack of power budget is amazing

1 Ricochet's cool down is already pretty low. Considering most people build a bC for the muti AR shread more cdr is not necessary.

2 Every 4 hit's on champions while Ricochet.... Really u want to give a possblity of infinte AOE to a champ... even riot knows better than that.

3 Ricochet's extra bounces deal 60/70/80/90/100% of the original attack's damage to enemy champions. so what u want is no counter play at all. adn this is a major buff for lanign also. No matter what u do you get screwed as the enemy. GG

not even going to brother with the rest. I am just going to get down voted again anyways. It really is easier to just down vote threads and not bother putting 2 cents in.

CrazedPorcupineJun 9, 20141 votes

Ugh, Your horrible spelling and grammar is killing me.

Alright your so called "counter-arguments"

Sivir's don't build black cleaver as much anymore, They're better off building Bloodthirster and Things like Statik Shiv that help their waveclear without having to rely on spells as much. It's a 4 second cooldown, that's four seconds where you're attacking slower than the enemy ADC if they have any form of AS Steroid. Note that the CDR only affect teamfights, not split pushing or farming... and besides 10 CDR is only .4 seconds off the cooldown of Ricochet. That's still a 3.6 second Cooldown that you have to deal with.
Infinite AoE at a reduced damage. Her W's bounces do 70% damage to all targets at rank 5. Again, if the enemy team spreads out, preventing ricochet bounces, then Sivir won't get any more ricocheting attacks. Provides counter-play, and again, this is only affecting teamfights, not her waveclear or pushing potential. She only get's this bonus for hitting CHAMPIONS! Not nearly as overpowering as you make it out to be. ALso, as SOON as 2 people die, Sivir loses the opportunity for her to gain more ricochet stacks as bounces can only hit each target once. so if it happens to be a fight against any number of targets less than 5, it's likely she won't get any extra bounces.

3)Increasing the damage her W bounces do to champions. This is only marginal increases in teamfight damage. Like I said above, Her W's bounces only 70% damage to targets beyond the first. This change means that in a teamfight, she can dish out lots of damage in those 3 ricocheting attacks across the enemy team. I didn't say allow on hit effects to proc on bounces or anything else, simply increase the damage that the bounces do to champions. You said it's a buff to laning. In lane, you don't have much AD, and right now, your W's bounces deal 50/55/60/65/70% of the previous bounces targets. This means that by the time it bounces to an enemy champion they're doing next to no damage. So yeah it buffs her laning slightly, but only if you decide to max W.

You didn't even bother talking about my proposed E or R buffs. And you get downvoted for horrible grammar, and not contributing to the discussion in any meaningful way other than, "This is OP because it's OP without explaining in a meaningful way WHY you think they're OP.

Angry MonsterJun 9, 20141 votes

i am getting down voted cause people are white knighting me, since i am telling you are wrong. You have no idea if english is my first langue or not and if people are down voting posts on grammar shows how narrow they are. These are not NA boards but global. Your bad ideas are not worth the time to do a 2 hours prof reading.

Your ideas are not even a serious concern and will never be used since they are so bad. You really do not understand balance at all. Have you completely ignored the dev posts on why they took away the toggle?

Keep worrying about grammar and not the facts.

CrazedPorcupineJun 14, 20141 votes

I'm not saying you're wrong in calling my ideas bad, but when you are an NA user, don't use proper grammar or spelling, it makes it seem like you're just trolling. Next, you again, don't bother trying to use math or data or ANYTHING to disprove my suggestions or show that they are broken OP. Like I used math for CDR in my previous comment in your reply about item 3071 .