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Teemo bugs/patch 7.24b

iPav··51 votes·2,647 views

  1. Teemo's DEFAULT adaptive damage provides Attack Damage instead of Ability Power. I think it should provide Ability Power like other Ability Power Champions get.

  2. Nidalee's Couger form Q does not get blinded.

  3. Hecarim's E charge Auto attack does not get blinded.

  4. Gromp's first 2 attacks does not get blinded.

Deleted Leblanc one, since "Fak you Bard" proved it on comment. 12/28/2017

Additionally, I see some of comments saying because of tank teemo's viability at at highest tier relies on 100% AD on teemo. Main : Ivan Pavlov ; Server : Na That's right, I am the highest tier Teemo player in the world who made Tank teemo viable.

Let's be honest here, if any of you have played teemo before or seen teemo player, did teemo ever get ATTACK DAMAGE RUNE from last 7 seasons? Last 7 seasons teemo player's runes susggested way more AP than AD yet Riot is giving Teemo's Default given AD? Then at least give teemo some AD RATIO on his skills. Closest champion to teemo : Kayle gets DEFAULT AP even though she has AD RATIO on her skills. Please, riot ... 12/28/2017

33 Comments

Fack you Brad13 votes

Leblanc chain grants True Sight. It wasn't on the wiki or the in client info, so I opened up the practice tool to verify.

https://imgur.com/Vr05Z3K

AirKingNeo7 votes

Nidalee's Couger form Q does not get blinded.

Goes though Jax's counterstrike as well.

Joseraph1 votes

As a Jax main this annoys me relentlessly Until I 2-shot her Kappa

Foely6 votes

Might as well throw it here, but Nidalee's cougar q doesn't count as damage against Teemo shrooms.

Hipster build3 votes

Good catch, hope it gets addressed soon. - Garen

Wimbledofy3 votes

Starting with an ap item will give you ap, starting with an ad item will give you adaptive ad. If you're getting ad from adaptive bonus it is because you are starting doran's blade.

Bandle City4 votes

{quoted}

Starting with an ap item will give you ap, starting with an ad item will give you adaptive ad. If you're getting ad from adaptive bonus it is because you are starting doran's blade.

Starting boots or doran's shield also gives Teemo adaptive ad and not ap. the only way to get adaptive ap with Teemo is to buy an ap item which makes no sense.

Wimbledofy2 votes

I'd prefer if you could just select whatever bonus you wanted.

Bandle City3 votes

@RiotGames, please show the Teemo a little more love and a little less hate. DX

Bibu082 votes

I love Ipav and believe in him, please fix these bugs.

ChuShoe2 votes

  1. are you talking about at the start? because typically, teemo's adaptive shield for camille is physical damage at the start too. I think the base ad is just higher than what you scale into. If not than that's mega weird

  2. Any damage will reveal teemo shortly, you just can't use targeted abilities/attacks on him when he's invis. Also, leblanc grants true sight.

  3. Nid's cougar form will do her ap damage but not all of it. Similar to how teemo's ap from his E will go through counterstrike

  4. Hecarims charge is a displacement as well, not all damage will be negated similar to nid's cougar Q

  5. Gromp's AA do some magic damage as well, similar to nid's Q and teemo's E on abilities like counterstrike. Same with ez's Q.

RottedApples6 votes

riot made a blanket change to blind/dodge/block affects that they were to block the auto and the associated on hit effects. if these are going through the blind then it's a bug. I'm fine with the hecarim still having a knockback but the other stuff shouldn't be happening.

Asudurga2 votes

Don't forget KogMaw W for some reason still has the AAs go through the blind.

Blåbæret1 votes

Literally none of those are bugs.

War God Teemo1 votes

Doesn't adaptive damage deal damage based on your enemy's resistance?

Fack you Brad1 votes

Adaptive damage is calculated by which stat you get most from items, physical damage for more ad, and magical for more ap. If they are the same, then it would default to the damage set by Riot depending on what type of damage they think would benefit that champ more.

https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/11/ask-riot-longest-game-ever/

War God Teemo1 votes

In the calculations, is one bonus ability power equal to one bonus attack damage? Or are AP scaling figures taken into account?

Fack you Brad1 votes

I am pretty sure the ratio is 1:1, I can't find anything that says otherwise. It wouldn't really matter since the rest of your items would put more into the calculations for adaptive damage unless you went hybrid for the first item which the only items I can think of are item 3146 and item 3124 . Gunblade would make sense for adaptive damage to be magical because mostly magic damage dealers use it, but Guinsoo, by looking at the numbers would give magic adaptive damage, but some users might want physical adaptive damage.

Bandle City2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fack you Brad,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=boE6joTw,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2017-12-21T01:45:38.614+0000)

Adaptive damage is calculated by which stat you get most from items, physical damage for more ad, and magical for more ap. If they are the same, then it would default to the damage set by Riot depending on what type of damage they think would benefit that champ more.

https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/11/ask-riot-longest-game-ever/

Which they for some reason decided that when AP and AD are the same that the adaptive stat was ad for Teemo even though he has 0 AD scalings, it makes no sense.

A1laku1 votes

For 1. It might be intended since Teemo is in fact a marksman. Not sure about the others. Nida might also not be a bug cuz she bypasses Pantheon's passive also but I'm not sure really. And for 5 those are the empowered attacks for sure, but again I've no idea.

RottedApples1 votes

here i thought gromp just did guaranteed damage to whatever it attacked.

This has been a long standing bug then.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

Chains/tethers reveal stealth. Applies to all stealth champs, this is normal

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes
  1. Teemo is a hybrid champ not an ap champ, if you ain't building ap you're not gonna get ap. I also don't see the problem with it, you're either gonna go AD, AP, onhit, AP-AS or tankmo.

-AD wants ad so it's fine. -AP & AP-AS both build ap items so they get ap -onhit should be fine with getting ad too as he's gonna get ad because of his items anyway -Tankmo doesn't really seem to rely on dmg scaling and AFAIK he just builds mallet + botrk/rageblade into full tank putting him in the AD section either way.

Bandle City2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=boE6joTw,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2017-12-21T16:27:44.443+0000)

  1. Teemo is a hybrid champ not an ap champ, if you ain't building ap you're not gonna get ap. I also don't see the problem with it, you're either gonna go AD, AP, onhit, AP-AS or tankmo.

-AD wants ad so it's fine. -AP & AP-AS both build ap items so they get ap -onhit should be fine with getting ad too as he's gonna get ad because of his items anyway -Tankmo doesn't really seem to rely on dmg scaling and AFAIK he just builds mallet + botrk/rageblade into full tank putting him in the AD section either way.

Teemo builds hybrid but he is not hybrid, in fact his recommended playstyle as suggested by riot themselves is full AP. He has absolutely no AD scalings. Meanwhile, Akali is a hybrid champion with both AD and AP scalings but she starts with adaptive AP even without any AP items. It doesn't make sense.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

His main damage source comes from vis auto attacks, that's a 100% ad scaling.

His most optimale build at high elk is also an onhit build.

Bandle City2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=boE6joTw,comment-id=000e00000000,timestamp=2017-12-24T16:47:45.069+0000)

His main damage source comes from vis auto attacks, that's a 100% ad scaling.

His most optimale build at high elk is also an onhit build.

his main source of damage is only his auto-attacks because of his E passive which is 100% AP scaling. If Teemo didn't have this E then people wouldn't use his auto-attacks as a main source of damage anymore as the auto-attacks would be significantly weaker. His auto attacks scale better with AP than they do AD.

The reason his most optimal build in high elo is on-hit though is only because AP Teemo, the way Teemo was designed to be played, isn't viable in the higher elo brackets like Master and Challenger.

Additionally Kennen, who also frequently goes the AD on-hit build and get's a large amount of his damage off in lane through auto-attacks let alone actually has AD scaling on his abilities, starts with adaptive AP even without any AP items. So why does Teemo not get the adaptive AP in the same way, why does Teemo get AD instead?

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

I never said his auto's were good without his e. It's still a 100% ad scaling.

As for kennen, AP kennen relies on his auto's alot less than ad kennen. Ad teemo and AP teemo both rely on auto attacks quite heavily. And tankmo is probably the build that starts shield first item most often, thus riot might have prefered to give him ad when both are equal.

iPav4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=boE6joTw,comment-id=000e0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-25T15:13:56.538+0000)

I never said his auto's were good without his e. It's still a 100% ad scaling.

As for kennen, AP kennen relies on his auto's alot less than ad kennen. Ad teemo and AP teemo both rely on auto attacks quite heavily. And tankmo is probably the build that starts shield first item most often, thus riot might have prefered to give him ad when both are equal.

My question to this is "WHY" does riot prefered to give teemo default adaptive ad when 99% of teemos played for past 7 seasons have chosen rune to be more AP or Attack speeds? I have never seen any teemo players prefered "AD" runes for past 7 seasons and it makes absolutely 0 sense even right now. Think about this : TEEMO (who's having 0% damage amplified at lvl 1 ~ until you get AP items who has ONLY AP ratio) So teemo who has to start with doran's shield loses almost all the trades against almost any champions since 0% of damage has been added to any of his skills. Don't you think this is kinda unfair?

By the way, Tank Teemo or AP Teemo is mostly decided by the at least 1 complete item. The Default Adaptive Damage has NOTHING to do what type of Teemo build that you go. Why? because Default Adaptive Damage is about "EARLY Laning phase stat" ONLY.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

Tbh if you had to go doran's shield you'd have lost most trades either way. Tank teemo however get's ad no matter what because of his items.

AP teemo starts dorans ring most of the time (i've bever bought shield).

Which leads me to believe riot's reasoning is that a teemo who doesn't build AP will want ad. Since it's his only offensive stat that wil scale on it's own. I personally used Hybrid pen attackspeed runes before and start dorans ring so i don't really lose anything.

I just don't see a reason to go shield unless you're up against zed or something, and even then it won't save you.

He does get his ad amplified at lvl 1, so his auto's become stronger.

Btw, you'd be surprised how fun duskblade statig shiv teemo can be.

iPav7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=boE6joTw,comment-id=000e000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-29T11:40:23.667+0000)

Tbh if you had to go doran's shield you'd have lost most trades either way. Tank teemo however get's ad no matter what because of his items.

AP teemo starts dorans ring most of the time (i've bever bought shield).

Which leads me to believe riot's reasoning is that a teemo who doesn't build AP will want ad. Since it's his only offensive stat that wil scale on it's own. I personally used Hybrid pen attackspeed runes before and start dorans ring so i don't really lose anything.

I just don't see a reason to go shield unless you're up against zed or something, and even then it won't save you.

He does get his ad amplified at lvl 1, so his auto's become stronger.

Btw, you'd be surprised how fun duskblade statig shiv teemo can be.

hey, here is my account. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=ivan+pavlov

yes, I am the #1 Teemo player in the world.

And yes, i am the one who made tank teemo build popular.

go ask any teemo players in the world which one they would prefer to have. ad or ap for past 7 seasons including right now.

and go play the game as you think it would be, you will find that AD Teemo with 0 AP in early game do 0 Damage.

Like I said, AP or AD teemo does not matter since that's depending on completion of FRIST ITEM. for example (Liandry vs Mallet)

Teemo should have AP instead of AD if he gets to have CHOICE like last 7 seasons. However having no choice and getting AD automatically makes absolutely no sense. Ask yourself even. IF you get to have choice to have AD or AP in early game as Default, which one would you chose to actually win that game? And no, I am not interested in "FUN" build, I am interested in "VIABLE" build.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

yes, I am the #1 Teemo player in the world.

And yes, i am the one who made tank teemo build popular

whoa there buddy calm down.

go ask any teemo players in the world which one they would prefer to have. ad or ap for past 7 seasons including right now.

AP i calculated it at one point and it's slightly better. i'm not saying ad is better, just trying to see riot's reasoning.

and go play the game as you think it would be, you will find that AD Teemo with 0 AP in early game do 0 Damage.

I won't, i never take doran's shield on teemo. I always go ring for mana, even in the adc position where i'll often build ap anyway (no that i play it alot).

Like I said, AP or AD teemo does not matter since that's depending on completion of FRIST ITEM. for example (Liandry vs Mallet)

Yes, and as soon as you have 1 ap item you switch to ap. Again i don't see a reason to go shield if you're going ap. You'll still be a ranged champ in a melee dominated lane so you can still poke. most of teemo's losing matchups are (imo) either all in champs like zed, some retarded busted bitch like fiora (no srsly, fuck this champ) jayce or maokai who just heals every little bit of poke back and i don't feel like shield will even help you win those lanes.

And no, I am not interested in "FUN" build, I am interested in "VIABLE" build.

well there's your fuckin problem.

iPav1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=boE6joTw,comment-id=000e00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-31T13:40:08.405+0000)

whoa there buddy calm down.

  • I am legitimately providing my credibility from my own expereince, since you sound like you know about my build more than I do. ;)

AP i calculated it at one point and it's slightly better. i'm not saying ad is better, just trying to see riot's reasoning.

  • So, what you are saying is, AP > AD, "I am just looking for riot's reasoning" ? ? ? This proves you are on the same ship as I am in, yes, I am also looking for riot's reasoning therefore I made this post. If Riot cannot provide legitimate reason, then Adaptive Default damage on teemo has to be changed. Also, if possible, try prevent yourself from saying "AD on teemo is better than AP in early game for tank teemo builds". Because as creator of that build, I am pretty shamed from someone saying stuff like that. ;)

I won't, i never take doran's shield on teemo. I always go ring for mana, even in the adc position where i'll often build ap anyway (no that i play it alot).

  • Well, you see, "I wont try this build, yet I have more knowledge of this build than you do" ... What I posted here is default adaptive damage to be ap, not ad. which means, even if you start doran's ring, nothing will be changed as you see. But, doran's shield start will be changed. That is why I have asked you if you have played with doran's shield. Let's not be too childish here...

Yes, and as soon as you have 1 ap item you switch to ap. Again i don't see a reason to go shield if you're going ap. You'll still be a ranged champ in a melee dominated lane so you can still poke. most of teemo's losing matchups are (imo) either all in champs like zed, some retarded busted bitch like fiora (no srsly, fuck this champ) jayce or maokai who just heals every little bit of poke back and i don't feel like shield will even help you win those lanes.

  • Hey, man you just listed half of the champions that high tier players play at this patch. Maokai? Jayce? Exactly my point, and I already told you that I am challenger teemo player, which means I get to face those everysingle time that I queue up. And you are saying Teemo losses even if he builds doran's shield? Not true, since I have been winning, and still now too, barely. You see, that's the difference between having experience of such item and not. I know that teemo can win with doran's shield but not doran's ring and you do not know about this since you have not tried it yet or more like "I won't, i never take doran's shield on teemo". Looks like I know little more about doran's shield start than you do now. Which means, default adaptive damage on ad is not as good as default adaptive damage on ap would be as I am predicting.

well there's your fuckin problem.

  • No, this is only your problem sir. We are looking for viability of the champion, not "fun builds" for champion. If you are looking for fun builds for Teemo, instead of comming to "teemo bug/patch" post, try go to different post to type about your opinions about the fun builds please. :)

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