Teemo's Blind

iPav·Jul 9, 2016·82 votes·7,881 views

Nidalee's Couger Form "Q" does not get blinded anymore, (it used to from s5, I do not know when it got changed)

Ekko's -E-AUTO does not get blinded. (same thing as nida q, from s5, it was able to be blinded)

What is Voliber's Q and Hecarim's E autos? Aren't they "empowered" or "modified" auto attack? which should be able to be blinded?

for example, Renekton or Twisted Fate's stuns are able to be blinded. yet voli and heca's skills are not.

Lastly, Compare to Pantheon's passive"block" can block red card from Twisted Fate and Kayle's "E" auto, Teemo's Blind do not blind those magic part of it.

I would like to have these bugs fixed or explanation if possible.

oh right, Fervor of battle bugs is getting fixed in 6.14 patch right? (currently, allot of champions' skills do not give fervor of battle stacks since 6.12 including)

29 Comments

Time42Jul 9, 20169 votes

Can't talk about the bugs, but in relation to Volibear's Q:

The way I understood it is.. blind reduces basic attack damage by 100% on-hit (including most on-hit effects), but something like Shen's W blocks basic attacks completely (hence Volibear's Q is blocked by Shen but not Teemo).

Upvoted, hope you get a quick answer. :P

NarasimhaJul 9, 20161 votes

blind reduces basic attack damage by 100% on hit,

Still doesn't add up, since that means on-hit effects would apply through blind. Not 100%, but pretty sure they don't.

Time42Jul 9, 20161 votes

Yep, on-hit effects have their damage mitigated as well

meohmichaelJul 10, 20161 votes

Blind prevents all sorts of effects, not just regular auto attacks.

It makes Sona waste a power chord buff without dealing damage or providing bonus effects.

SlashStrikerJul 9, 20164 votes

Teemo Blind Dart still Blinds Lee Sin and probably wont get fixed

Weiner the PoohJul 10, 20164 votes

Good, let Teemo have as many bugs as possible. Stupidest champion in the game.

VvVVvVJul 10, 20162 votes

Why would Teemos blind, blind Volis Q????

Teemos blind, blinds auto attacks. Volis Q is a ability, not a auto attack.

I believe the "bugs" are not whats not getting blinded but what is getting blinded......TF stun should not be blinded.

Womp123Jul 10, 20162 votes

Welp, good thing everyone hates Teemo :P

Talonted NoxianJul 10, 20162 votes

To be honest, this is a good post, and it needs to be clarified by Riot, hopefully. The last few seasons, Riot has taken the approach of making the game more understandable by all, and more "clear" what is happening in the game. Things like this, that are described on the Wiki as "blocks some, but not all" and then later "most effects go through blind" are very unclear, and a clarification would be a great addition to the game, as well as bug fixes (if those results are unintended).

Perhaps a "why" would be helpful for more transparency as well. For example, WHY is renekton's W stun blocked by Teemo's blind, but Udyr's E stun is not? They're essentially the same things (a hit that applies a stun), but the result/outcome is 100% different.

If this is a bug, it'd be great to have it fixed. Honestly, something like this would make a mostly non-meta champion, like Teemo, feel the quality of life strengths that might allow him to be a bit more competitive, and it could increase champion diversity indirectly as well.

LemurMonsterJul 9, 20161 votes

I hope they look into Xin to as for the same reason He still does damage when I blind him. Only his ulti should do so & the same goes Irelia. Why cant Teemo blind her stun? I swear he was able to before...

Sozan5Jul 9, 20165 votes

Irelia stun is a targeted ability so no - it couldn't be blinded.

As for other cases, keep in mind the following:

Blind applies only for attacks that hasn't been started yet. So, if you blind someone who is already starting his attack animation (or the projectile is in flight for example) - you will still get hit (it also means that if enemy starts attacking while blinded and the blind runs out - the attack will still miss).
Buffered attacks also seem to go through blind. By that I mean - if you use ability while getting blinded the AA following that ability will hit. I am not 100% sure of that, as I didn't get to test it extensively (but that's the general feeling I get, especially from Yasuo Q->AA and Vayne Q->AA). I believe this is a bug, and it's also possible with other CC (at least it was a bug quite some time ago, I don't know if it has been fixed already - but it seems to be working with blind).

I'd really just have them apply blind instantly (that is, even for attacks already in motion), so it doesn't feel so bad to use.

LemurMonsterJul 10, 20161 votes

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Irelia stun is a targeted ability so no - it couldn't be blinded.

As for other cases, keep in mind the following:

Blind applies only for attacks that hasn't been started yet. So, if you blind someone who is already starting his attack animation (or the projectile is in flight for example) - you will still get hit (it also means that if enemy starts attacking while blinded and the blind runs out - the attack will still miss).

Buffered attacks also seem to go through blind. By that I mean - if you use ability while getting blinded the AA following that ability will hit. I am not 100% sure of that, as I didn't get to test it extensively (but that's the general feeling I get, especially from Yasuo Q->AA and Vayne Q->AA). I believe this is a bug, and it's also possible with other CC (at least it was a bug quite some time ago, I don't know if it has been fixed already - but it seems to be working with blind).

I'd really just have them apply blind instantly (that is, even for attacks already in motion), so it doesn't feel so bad to use.

So is Renektons stun or his brother Q.. so what makes her special? Teemo was able to blind her stun before. I done so in Pro king before & I still remember that game because I still lost... Such a overloaded champ.. This blind for her stun much needed anyways because of that.

& yeah it is. I tested it enough in bot games to know champs Like Xin still do damage though there Buffered attacks & it's annoying. I lost a number of games because of it. That is why I want this fix.

AtanchanJul 10, 20162 votes

Are you sure you didn't just have lower health than her? It's a slow instead of a stun if she uses it on you at lower health. Unless there was a bug, there's never been a time where it was affected by blind, since it's not an attack.

Also, no, have you ever seen a Renekton or Nasus? Renekton's stun and Nasus's Q are not targeted at all, they're automatically cast without a target and empower their next basic attack. Which, surprisingly, like an apple is an apple, an attack is an attack, so it's canceled by blind.

LemurMonsterJul 10, 20161 votes

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Are you sure you didn't just have lower health than her? It's a slow instead of a stun if she uses it on you at lower health. Unless there was a bug, there's never been a time where it was affected by blind, since it's not an attack.

Also, no, have you ever seen a Renekton or Nasus? Renekton's stun and Nasus's Q are not targeted at all, they're automatically cast without a target and empower their next basic attack. Which, surprisingly, like an apple is an apple, an attack is an attack, so it's canceled by blind.

It still makes less sense that Teemo can blind Twisted Fates yellow card than her melee blind... Really. if your going try to dash into one blind.. then you might as well hit a wall.

AtanchanJul 10, 20161 votes

No, that makes perfect sense that you can blind Twisted Fate's yellow cards but not Irelia stun. One is an ability that empowers a basic attack, the other's a straight-out ability that has nothing to do with an attack.

The range is completely irrelevant. Otherwise, Teemo would be useless against marksmen despite typically being called a counter to them, because his blind wouldn't affect them - after all, they're all ranged, and a lot of them have pretty high range, too.

It might help you to treat League as, y'know, a game. Hell, I'd compare it more with a TCG like Magic: The Gathering than something like a Mario game, because like MtG you have various rules created by various abilities that all interact in ways that may not make realistic sense in the slightest. On the flipside, you can generally know what to expect in a Mario game and it won't really change that on you, unless a very gimmicky gimmick is involved; it's only when you encounter glitches that the fact that the game is ultimately based on very specific rules that make not actually make sense comes to light.

Sozan5Jul 10, 20166 votes

No.

Renekton W and Nasus Q are attack modifiers. If you use the abilities your next attack becomes empowered for a few seconds and you need to hit your enemy. Irelia E is just click on enemy target with it and it goes off. You don't need to attack. As such you were never able to blind her E (I play Teemo a lot, I should know :P).

LemurMonsterJul 10, 20162 votes

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No.

Renekton W and Nasus Q are attack modifiers. If you use the abilities your next attack becomes empowered for a few seconds and you need to hit your enemy. Irelia E is just click on enemy target with it and it goes off. You don't need to attack. As such you were never able to blind her E (I play Teemo a lot, I should know :P).

Well as I said... It's still dumb. He should be able to blind such a overloaded champ.

LemurMonsterJul 12, 20161 votes

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Well as I said... It's still dumb. He should be able to blind such a overloaded champ.

hah the downvote I got. head my warning. She will never be balanced until she is reworked. its the same for all overloaded champs.

AsharjaJul 9, 20161 votes

I can verify these points. It does not make any sense. Especially that Nida Q. Upvote!

MrryZJul 9, 20161 votes

Ekko's e isnt considered an auto I don't think, it's a spell.

EvewynnJul 9, 20161 votes

It's both, which is likely why it behaves so strangely.

MrryZJul 9, 20161 votes

Yeah it's a bit weird, has some properties from both.

NazZomLordJul 9, 20161 votes

Arent you the OTP Teemo player that has really weird ideas and feeds and makes Teemo players look like trash? And these are bugs that need fixing.

And you forgot bout Renektons W as well as the magic damage from Rumbles passive.

5050BSJul 9, 20161 votes

Teemo's blind does stop Illaoi's W attacks and then Bugs it out by triggering her W bug that so NEEDS fixing.

warpenguin555Jul 10, 20161 votes

according to chat in a hexakill game a jhin was shooting teemo through the blind too.

aLawfulFalafelJul 10, 20162 votes

i can confirm this, have had jhin shoot me while blinded a few times, SO annoying when u blind on the 3rd shot forcing him to wait to take his 4th or flat out miss it just to have him 4th shot pop your head off through the blind and look at deathrecap to see jhin just did 1600 dmg from AAs to you while blinded

Kitty HoleJul 10, 20161 votes

Blind only works for physical attack damage.

BlakiepugJul 11, 20161 votes

I am actually very curious to know about this. I just played against an Ekko top lane as Teemo and I have to say it felt very unclear and unfair that his e was able to damage me during a blind. Riot should really make it clearer as to why there are some auto attacks that are not affected by Teemo's blind as it's one of his best defenses and is vital to his success.