shouldnt it proc on bleed ?? since its a damaging ability like it works on brand and teemo ?
thats why brand is considered so strong along many constant dps dots ,because mastery
yet if it works on conflagrate passive it should work on hemorhage passive
I AM 100% it doesnt proc off bleeds ,and should be very good since bleed is single target ,but doesnt proc at all and it only procs from things like basic attack and crippling strike W
thanks
LegendaryLemur2 votesI've got a working theory here that if an ability (like brands's blaze) is applied by ability damage only then it will apply spell effects, whereas if it (like darius's hemmorhage) is applied by both ability damage and basic attacks, then it will not apply spell effects.
Again, this is a working theory, i'll keep checking it as more abilities come to mind, but it's checked out on the wiki with everything i've thought of so far.
EDIT: other abilities i've checked (note: i'm checking this on the wikia, not in-game so may not be correct) Lux's Illumination applies only on abilites and applies spell effects (checks out) Braum's Concussive Blows applies on both abilities and basic attacks, does not apply spell effects (checks out) Leona's Sunilight abilites only, applies spell effects (checks out) Vel'Koz's Organic Deconstruction applies on abilities only (although basic attacks refresh the duration of already-applied stacks), applies spell effects (checks out) Ekko's Z-Drive Resonance applies on abilities and basic attacks, but applies spell effects (EXCEPTION - the way the wikia reads though, it sounds like the spell effects are produced on consuming the mark, not on application (Lux's Illumination by contrast reads like the spell effects are produced on applying the mark, which makes sense. One would assume that consuming illumination with a basic attack would NOT apply spell effects, but i could be wrong) so maybe not an exception after all? Needs more testing!)
Syndroam1 votesNicely done, Loving your effort into the research you put / are putting into all of this :) I've been a quite interested myself as I'm getting into Darius and I don't mine off-meta/fun stuff to try out :) So I thank you for all this effort ^_^
However one thing I didn't see here is Kassadins W - Netherblade (An Auto-attack modifier as you would know) ~ It seems to apply Active spell effects like Spell Vamp and Rylais' Slow and whatnot, however I'm not sure about Liandrys' Burn being applied on both Kass' W passive autos and W active (I'll try to look into it and get back here with my findings ^^), just kinda wondering what your thoughts on this stuff is that's all? :) - Just wondering if this could possibly be another possible exception if this was to be included in your findings? :) It's true that there's no interaction between Kassadins passive (and mention of his passive at all really even though this is kinda a rather big chunk of this thread in terms of how it relates to this whole topic to do with DoT passives and deathfire touch) but yeah even though this thread is at least 4 months old now, thought you might be interested in what I've got to say!! ^^
Good luck with your future theory work!? ^_^ I'm also sorry for my English ^ I'm young and still have much to learn really Ahaha.
Flaherty1 votesWell his bleed doesn't apply spell effects (the wiki says that) so it shouldn't proc the mastery since it doesn't proc other spell related things.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesDoes an ability apply on-spell effects such as Rylai's Crystal Scepter's slow, Liandry's Torment's burn, or Spellvamp?
If yes, it applies Deathfire Touch.
It's quite simple.
LegendaryLemur1 votesYeah but you've just reduced the problem to: Which abilities apply on-spell effects such as Rylai's Crystal Scepter's slow, Liandry's Torment's burn, or Spellvamp?
Still not so simple.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesWhich abilities apply on-spell effects is clearly documented on the wiki on the champion's page. It only takes a few seconds to figure out if an ability will apply on-spell effects or not.
It's quite simple considering others have already performed all of the hard work.
LegendaryLemur1 votesIt's easy for any one ability, but if we're trying to remember all that information so that we can apply it 'on the fly' during a game, it would be nice to develop some sort of rule to determine which abilities apply spell effects (see elsewhere in this thread where i am testing a hypothesis).
BraveryBeyond1 votesEasy answer: not all of Darius' abilities are spells, thus his passive would not proc on-spell effects because not all abilities that proc his passive are spells.
