How do you not just die instantly as a carry?

Mandenand·Mar 7, 2015·1 votes·1,978 views

As any carry potential champ I play, I just can't live. Whether it's an ADC or a mage or an Assassin, I just die instantly. I've sat at the back of fights doing nothing for like 5 seconds while my team fights and I watch ults and cooldowns get blown, I go in, and instantly everyone focuses me, kills me, and goes back to what they were doing. With Vi in the meta, this is especially prominent. Too many times do I watch a fight happen, see 2 Zhonyas, 3 ults, someone dies, 4 flashes get burned, and I finally decide to walk up to the fight, INSTANTLY get Vi ulted, 1 shot by an Assassin and left there to cry. I'm trying to play Cass a lot, but every game is the same. I get a good ult, back off, and just get constantly dove. I can only kite so far when I'm running from an Irelia, Yi, Jax, Hecarim, etc.

I watch montages and pro plays, and I see people able to walk around team fights. I watched a Cass montage earlier, where in a fight she was able to land a 2 man ult, constantly land Qs and Es, and never got focused, shreded the team, and walked out almost flawlessly. If I tried the exact same thing, their entire team would just dive me and kill me. I understand people in Diamond+ know how to peel, and most montages come from that, but there's gotta be a way to not just die instantly in Silver->Plat. Please help.

14 Comments

Sona PingMar 7, 20154 votes

It sounds like you are just awful at positioning. And you put yourself into vulnerable situations. It's hard to give specifics, as I'm not watching you, but if you're being accurate with what you said, you are just choosing to do the wrong things consistently.

IceKingChernobogMar 7, 20151 votes

actually have your supports peel you, but there is no such thing as peel in low elo

zane yalgirMar 7, 20151 votes

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actually have your supports peel you, but there is no such thing as peel in low elo

this is why i cant adc or get and actuall rpatice i did roguhly 50 games roughly 25 ea won 20ish supps and like 5 adc4 adc games i got carried bot lane is stupid in bronze supps have no clue waht to do or when to do it

its actually a good idea to keep Blitzcrank off your team so they dont get you killed

IceKingChernobogMar 7, 20151 votes

i came from a match where the enemy maokai literally walk past ALL my team mates to get to me and chase me out of the fight, yet i get flamed on how i do no damage. I position carefully to do damage but when they cant keep the enemy tanks or gapclosers away from the carry. But im the one who gets the blame...not the chogath or janna who was right next to me when i was getting face fucked by the tree

zane yalgirMar 7, 20151 votes

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i came from a match where the enemy maokai literally walk past ALL my team mates to get to me and chase me out of the fight, yet i get flamed on how i do no damage. I position carefully to do damage but when they cant keep the enemy tanks or gapclosers away from the carry. But im the one who gets the blame...not the chogath or janna who was right next to me when i was getting face fucked by the tree

sounds about right its more important to not feed and have one lane win hard then snowball the game for there team then anything else you cant do that as adc most gmae becuase its a 2v2 lanes and bad supp make it a 1v3 in bronze

rth2Mar 7, 20153 votes

So that is really bad advice for two reasons.

It isn't helpful at all. You tell them to do something that you say does not happen in that elo. So he can't do it. If this was just some complaint thread in the misc section then go for it but this is actually someone trying to get some legit help.
More importantly, this is shifting the burden of getting caught off of Giygas and onto someone on the team who should just make up for his mistakes. Leaving no room for him to actually learn or improve. He just has to "hope the next guys better". Which is basically saying hope the next team carries you.

If this were a pre-made team then fine. That answer is ok, your team needs to peel for you as an immobile carry. But in solo queue that's not an option as your support will change each game.

Giygas needs to learn positioning and timing. You can't rely on your team to peel or blame them due to your lack of ability to kite. Especially when you pick an immobile champion. From what he has said he is obviously standing at the wrong spot or entering fights at the wrong time, he just is not sure why.

SEKAIMar 7, 20151 votes

You walk behind the team and actually build some defensive options like item 3139 item 3156 or item 3026 , and save your escape + flash or ghost? That's for the ad chars'.

I am not all that familiar with the AP side of things but I suppose you have item 3157 item 3023 item 3001 to choose from maybe?

MandenandMar 7, 20151 votes

Playing Cass I usually have Tear Shield + Zhonyas + Rylais, but that's rarely enough if you get dove hard enough and your team ignores you.

SEKAIMar 7, 20151 votes

You save your ulti and spray onto their faces if they decided to make a run for it.

I wouldn't say your defensive options are wrong but I wouldn't think all that many def items in the set all at once is a great solution, unless you're incredibly behind I personally wouldn't recommend stacking your inventory with lesser offensive items, especially when you're carry yourself.

1 or max 2 should be more than you need, rest is about using your summoner's and ulti properly as Cass.

MandenandMar 7, 20151 votes

I do usually try to ult whoever is on me, people like Yi and Irelia can dive me, then get ulted and shreded while I run with movement Q, but Vi ults aren't really stoppable. Instant zhonyas out of it, flash ult, run, still die. :(

rth2Mar 7, 20151 votes

I would also recommend working on your positioning, timing, and kiting (not just 1v1 kiting but kiting a teamfight).

From what you've said you can either be outside of the fight, or dieing in the fight. That means you must not be picking the right spot to stand at some crucial point. Are you waiting and you walk into a bad spot? Do you just walk towards the wrong person (enter the fight close enough for Vi to ult you)? Do you have the wrong angle?

You also mention standing outside of the fight waiting. Especially as Cass you have an AoE pool that expands, and a decently long ranged Q. Use these tools to kite/harass in teamfights. You don't have to be all or nothing. Harass the enemy, waiting for a good ult or until somebody steps out of line.

It is really hard to say without watching you play, as someone mentioned. You also mentioned watching a lot of montages and pro play. The thing about pro lcs plays though, is that they are done on pre-made teams. They know somebody has their back. You don't. You must be able to fend for yourself. To do this I would suggest watching replays of your games and skipping to the big teamfights. Hell, if you die in these fights, write down the time when you die. That way you can jump there quickly in a replay.

I like to use the replay function on na.op.gg. You start your game loading, go to your name on that site, go to your current game, then click the replay button. It requests a replay which it will post shortly after your game is finished. This means op.gg uses resources to record the game, not your pc so no performance drop. This also uses leagues spectator mode to make the replay, which allows you to see the progression of the game/teamfights from every perspective, not just yours.

Hope this helps you find a place to start.

DarkenedSoul420Mar 7, 20151 votes

Swain is a good midlaner to use if you keep getting blown up due to bad positioning. He gets beefy once item 3027 is complete and his ult can help you get out of some pretty hairy situations. Not to mention his kill potential in lane is great once you get the hang of him.