Yi vs Vi - Help?

Aisamai·2/21/2015, 10:25:41 AM·1 votes·10,769 views

I'm in S5 and coming out of bronze my games have basically been a coin flip on whether or not I botch my lane up till now. I've taken to playing fewer champs until I master the few I know; so far it's working, but my selection is still rather limited. With that said, I'm currently working on Master Yi. It's been a pretty sweet ride up until my last game, in which I went up against a competent Vi.

Normally I'm too ashamed to ask for advice, but this Vi 100-0d me at level 7, in like 2 seconds. I was utterly helpless, and I intend to never be so again.

So, questions:

a) If Vi build super damage heavy early on, is there a way to counter that? Like, is it all burst damage and will an early belt or two stave off the instagibbing? Or do I just need to sigh deeply and continue farming the jungle to get to my late game?

b) Vi's ganks are really good, she dashes in and crunches my friendly's armour, setting them up for horrific murder if they can't get away. Yi's ganks are a bit lackluster, I generally just try to get people to blow flash by alpha striking them and making ghost noises. Is there any way to compete with her in this regard? Like, can I get away with taking Exhaust/Smite? Or should I just bide my time in the jungle, thinking "Fufufufu I'll get you all late game"?

Thanks in advance, sorry for my high levels of noobishness.

7 Comments

Leti the Yeti2/21/2015, 10:39:28 AM2 votes

yi is anti burst... srsly you simply meditate as they try and burst you and Q... or you can just Q her during her travel time on her Q or R and it just invalidates all her abilities easy shit, does require reflexes, timing did i mention master yi is a high skill cap, high reflex, low ping champion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx5u7i_XT7g bitch did i stutter?master yi is a high skill cap, high reflex, low ping champion! he labels everything he does as he does it so thats real helpful

as far as locking down the other person during ganks go, it is lame what you do is fking kill the guy with your high damage note: dont gank pre 6 you're the asian usain bolt during your ult, dont even Q to START the engage you just run up and whack the guy, and just keep whacking em cuz they cant out run your ~~~~black~~~~ yellow ass and save your Q for when they dash away

TehNACHO2/21/2015, 10:51:19 AM2 votes

a) Dodge her Q with your own Q, that immediately shuts down a lot of her initiation power over you, and that's really her main advantage over you; initiation power. Negate it, and you can do some serious hurt in the ensuing auto attack brawl.

b) Yes and no. You can't compete with Vi in areas Vi does best, in this case ganking. It's really bad logic if you think about it; Vi has a lot of power in ganking, Yi doesn't. Why would you intentionally handicap yourself then by trying to gank as Yi trying to outdo Vi?

tl;dr at the bottom

What you want to do is keep your eyes open for lanes you can freeze or reset. Yi's Waveclear is superior to Vi's, in my opinion, and his freezing capabilities are so much safer since he has two tools to counter burst; his Q and his W. To sum up, be sure to give your laners a lot of breathing room. If your laners drop below 40-50%, ask them in chat if you can hold their lane for them while they go back and heal up. What this does is give Vi far fewer targets to hunt down - Full Health Targets does not a easy gank make. Once the laners leave lane, all you need to do at this point is freeze properly. Excuse my cynicism here while I explain what freezing is - Basically, don't let your tower touch the minions, but do not kill so many of the opponent's minions that the lane pushes in the enemy laner's direction. Done correctly, by the time the laner comes back to lane, there will be a gigantic enemy minion wave waiting for them which gives them a butt ton of gold, ensuring that they don't fall behind just because they left lane for a while. The other option, resetting the wave, has different implications depending on the scenario, so this is a trick you're going to need to learn by yourself, but the short version basically goes like this. Let's say your laner just won a huge fight, maybe burned the enemy summoners maybe even kill the enemy laner, but they're so low on health they need to go back immediately. What happens now is that you have a dead lane, nobody on your team and nobody on their team. If you ignore a dead lane for too long however, there's a good chance that the minions may stack up, and the enemy laner can get a lot of gold depending on how the minions stack up. To completely negate this, what you want to do is run to the dead lane while nobody is there and shove it as fast as possible so that the enemy tower starts killing your minions. What happens now is that since all the minions are killed by the tower, the enemy laner doesn't benefit them. Even better though, is that the tower killing your minions causes the minion wave to shove in your ally's direction, ideally meaning that they can get more gold out of it than their enemy laner.

tl;dr: Hold the lane for a laner if they need to heal, and if you're holding a lane, freeze it. If an enemy laner isn't in lane (for example they just got killed), you want to shove the lane as fast as possible to reset the lane. Doing this makes it much harder for Vi to get a successful gank, it gives your teammates some advantages in lane for minimal loss, and you can screw the enemy laners over while filling your pocket with gold.

Aisamai2/21/2015, 11:33:55 AM2 votes

Man, you guys have all made really good points. Thank you very much for your help (And that Cowsep video, holy crap that's amazing). I have a lot to learn, just from these posts alone.

It seems the road to master the Master is a long one. :\

hh the thinker2/21/2015, 10:31:03 AM1 votes

I don't play jungle that much, but I think your best bet would be to farm. vi will beat yi in the early game, you should win later on if you get one defence item at least so you don't insta die. her ganks will also be better at level 6 as her ult is just much stronger in the use of a gank.

IcyPepper2/21/2015, 10:44:02 AM1 votes

I hate to say it, but it's a horrible matchup. Master Yi is basically a melee carry/assassin, think of a cross between Zed and Fiora and you get him, but Vi is a bruiser. Typically, bruisers beat glass cannons because while bruisers don't deal as much damage late-game, they can dish it out and take it mid-game.

You can try building a bit defensively rather than going full offense, but Vi armor shreds and can kill you in an extend melee fight, so kite the best you can with alpha strike. Her Q will interrupt your meditate, so be careful...

I also hate to say this, but Master Yi is a champion we all know that used to wreck every noob that started the game. As a noob, if you saw a Yi on the enemy team you were going to have a bad time (and your Yi always sucked, because reasons). In essence, EVERYONE should know how to counter him and shut him down easily. I mean, all Vi has to do is build thornmail, health, and a bit of damage and there's nothing you can do to her.

Your best bet is to farm and roam. Put pressure on Vi. She's going to be obligated to help her team if you're at mid/bot scoring kills off squishies. Yi takes turrets faster than Vi, so abuse that by forcing her to counter-roam and taking her turret while she's busy. The champion match-up does not favor Yi in a 1v1 FIGHT, but this game is more than just fighting, it's about strategy, so use Master Yi's strengths (split-pushing, killing squishies) to your advantage (so push other lanes she isn't in, and kill the squishies).

If you need a counter to Vi, pick up someone like Teemo. Teemo is one of Vi's nightmares (W proc? What's that if you can't auto?)