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Community Patch Recap - 5.16

RiotJawstheMusical··13 votes·105,610 views
With the introduction of the Juggernaut Items and several champion reworks, Patch 5.16 sparked a ton of discussion within the community. Want to get caught up on how this patch changed the game? Study up with these player-created videos.

Phylol - 5 biggest changes in Patch 5.16

Phylol gives his take on the largest changes in 5.16 and how he feels they'll affect the game.

Jeremy "Gaming Curios" - Indirect Changes on the Meta

Jeremy GC flips the script on the patch notes, focusing on what he feels are the indirect effects on the meta as a result of these changes.

Want more info about Patch 5.16?

Read the official patch notes here if you haven't already.

For an abbreviated take, check out these sweet patch summary infographics that KairuX put together:
You can also watch the 5.16 Patch Rundown for a more in-depth look at the changes.

5.16 Patch Rundown - Juggerwhaaaaat?

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151 Comments

GLBuck50 votes

If we could revert to the patch before this.... that would be great

El Dragón Blanco14 votes

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GLBuck2 votes

Probably more of a job for Ekko

RiotScarizard49 votes

Ekko rewinds us 4 patches back to 5.12, an era where Runeglaive mid-laners are all the rage and Ezreal is in every game. If you trust in Zilean to rewind, we could end up in any patch, past /or/ future - who do you choose?

AsianOnboard17 votes

Zilean. Let's throw it back to 3.14! What a time to play bot lane

RiotScarizard137 votes

A portal opens. Suddenly, Riot, the players, the servers, and all 10 Galio mains are thrust into a distant and uncertain future. Stormclouds surround the population in a thick black pitch.

The sun is dead.

The sky breaks open briefly as lightning envelops all for a brief but clarifying moment; all that remains of the world we once knew is a Colliseum, the landing point of our time-worn League travelers. A sign hangs above the entrance - "20XX WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS." In this future, Worlds is not a time of year - it is a state of mind. There are no placements, no tiers, no promotion series - all compete on the World Stage, every minute of every hour, destined to a meaningless victory erased with each passing day. We have been brought by Zilean to the darkest timeline - The Dark Eternity of Esports.

During the 20XX World championships, Faker, now a shadow of his former glory, presides above his 'competition' seated upon a throne of solid Challenger-tanium (a new metal made from smelted World Championship titles and the tears of his opponents). With a flick of his wrist, he orders all to be seated and the day's show begins. Holograms appear upon the floor of the stadium as the top players from every dimension gather, armored and altered to look like champions. They land upon a summoning platform as the landscape transforms to resemble The Howling Crystal Butcher's Riftline Chamber, the only 'viable' map in 20XX.

As the 'champions' load in, the guests in the stadium stand up-right and begin marching as if compelled by some dark force. One by one, they walk towards one another in a strange pattern as the stage finishes completion.

In this timeline, we are the minions. Endlessly marching to our assured doom, just to become gold in someone's pocket.

In your final moments, you think "Trusting Zilean may have been unwise..."

"...but at least Skarner's not broken anymore."

Överpowered17 votes

Yes. Yes. Yes. This is why I love Riot. summoner 30

Starlighte10 votes

{quoted}

A portal opens. Suddenly, Riot, the players, the servers, and all 10 Galio mains are thrust into a distant and uncertain future. Stormclouds surround the population in a thick black pitch.

The sun is dead.

The sky breaks open briefly as lightning envelops all for a brief but clarifying moment; all that remains of the world we once knew is a Colliseum, the landing point of our time-worn League travelers. A sign hangs above the entrance - "20XX WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS." In this future, Worlds is not a time of year - it is a state of mind. There are no placements, no tiers, no promotion series - all compete on the World Stage, every minute of every hour, destined to a meaningless victory erased with each passing day. We have been brought by Zilean to the darkest timeline - The Dark Eternity of Esports.

During the 20XX World championships, Faker, now a shadow of his former glory, presides above his 'competition' seated upon a throne of solid Challenger-tanium (a new metal made from smelted World Championship titles and the tears of his opponents). With a flick of his wrist, he orders all to be seated and the day's show begins. Holograms appear upon the floor of the stadium as the top players from every dimension gather, armored and altered to look like champions. They land upon a summoning platform as the landscape transforms to resemble The Howling Crystal Butcher's Riftline Chamber, the only 'viable' map in 20XX.

As the 'champions' load in, the guests in the stadium stand up-right and begin marching as if compelled by some dark force. One by one, they walk towards one another in a strange pattern as the stage finishes completion.

In this timeline, we are the minions. Endlessly marching to our assured doom, just to become gold in someone's pocket.

In your final moments, you think "Trusting Zilean may have been unwise..."

"...but at least Skarner's not broken anymore."

Scarizard, are you drunk tonight?

Keevalroy52 votes

{quoted}

Scarizard, are you drunk tonight?

Tonight? He works with the balance team - he's drunk every day.

AMYS GRAVE7 votes

They land upon a summoning platform

So what you're saying is, in the year 20XX summoners will still be a thing in the lore?

GG Drago3 votes

Scarizard i think im in love with you.

FlashnFuse30 votes

{quoted}

...all 10 Galio mains...

Why do I feel as though that is a statistical fact?

GLBuck7 votes

This... Thank you. This has to be the greatest and darkest response I have ever read! You should work with the lore department. I mean maybe tone it down a bit but still!

Dylightfull27 votes

An 11th Galio main from the future turns to you. He instantly recognizes his brethren, due to being in a secret "Galio mains club" that met together every week in the treehouse he built in his backyard. "I see you've come to our bleak future from the past, my friends." You nod slowly and ask him questions about what happened.

"It was a fateful day- a Riot employee decided that it would be a good idea to swap about a normal LCS 5v5 with an LCS all for one game in blind pick."

"Well, what's so bad about that?" You ask.

It was Heimerdinger Vs. Heimerdinger.

Everyone recoils in horror. "Oh my god. That game must have been the biggest standstill ever."

"It was. The game raged on for 15 years, with neither side agreeing to surrender. People began to take sides and run rampant. Internet flamewars began and ended. People lost their faith in the two teams. That was when Faker went rogue and got the ace- the game had finally ended, and they hailed him as king. But he went mad with the power bestowed upon him, and now rules this horrid land.

"Is there anything we can do to stop it?" You ask with a glimmer of hope still inside you.

"Legend has it that there is a book hidden somewhere in the game's spaghetti code that tells you how to defeat Faker and end his reign. It's entitled "Fakeout.txt"

Everyone works together to find this text file to no avail, even if they have to unscramble the spaghetti code. The one day, someone finally found it.

FakeOut.txt If you're reading this, someone must have told you that this is the text file that teaches you how to take down Faker. They are wrong. I buried this text file deep into the code to give you another message, however. Are you ready? Good. Ahem "It must have taken you a Zillean years to find this message!"

For a brief moment, you're confused. Then you see the signature at the bottom of the page:

--Phreak

Feed then Mute2 votes

Rito on Acid confirmed.

Olga Rajecka2 votes

That would explain Sated Devourer and Juggernauts

Keevalroy8 votes

{quoted}

If we could revert to the patch before this.... that would be great

Sated Devourer is still in the game. We need to go back further.

AsianOnboard16 votes

It'll be hard to Gage the Titanic changes in this patch. So I think i'll just juggernaut do it.

RiotJawstheMusical15 votes

Well played, sir.

VulcanIsHere7 votes

Only Phreak can approve that comment. Sorry, Jaws.

RiotJawstheMusical10 votes

I've heard whisperings that if you say his full name three times he may appear...

S H A Y C 07 votes

I tried this once...ONCE! Sadly it is a night we both wish we forget...it was like the scene from candy man where i said his name 3 times in the bathroom mirror...except it was after my shower and i hadnt dressed yet...it was a very akward moment when i realized he actually does appear if you repeat his full three times. A mistake i will never make again...On the bright side Phreak is now looking in to having that feature removed in his next patch Shaco

thescrubbybub2 votes

{quoted}

I've heard whisperings that if you say his full name three times he may appear...

Phreak. Phreak! Phreak!!!!

Deuce331214 votes

Dear Riot,

I want to comment on your recent, gigantic, blunder.

The changes you have made to Mordekaiser are an abomination. I do not understand why you find it necessary to destroy champions that some people have been playing with for years. If you want to make a different style champ, THEN MAKE A NEW ONE!!!!!!!, DO NOT TAKE ONE THAT IS EXISTING AND COMPLETELY BASTARDIZE HIM.

Mordekaiser is not even a shadow of his former self, and may as well be removed from the game in my opinion, and I believe that every Morde, main, user will agree.

Please do a reset and lets forget this huge lapse in judgement ever happened. I have sat by and watched Riot make some horrible decisions when it comes to gameplay and experience, and remained silent. Now this is my tipping point and can not be quiet anymore, I will at least voice my frustration this time, and hope you will listen...even though I know you will not because you could really careless about the average users comments.

Peace

Cake Eater Jiyj6 votes

I rarely get on and comment. But I have to agree with you 110%. I started playing this game for Morde over 3 years ago and sadly have decided to retire him until they bring him back. He's lost nearly all soloability and just feels all wrong now.

Get Singed2 votes

I'm gonna be hated for saying this, but as someone who has played Morde a ton, I find his new changes quite enjoyable. I've had no problem playing him solo top with the right itemization, and with a partner his W is by far the strongest buff I've ever seen in the game. He was great and a lot of fun before but you either had to build him as a glass cannon that would always be focused to death or as a tank with little that he could do on his own aside from ult the enemy adc and hope his team could finish them off quickly. Now, with all the new AD/Health items and AD scaling on his abilities, he is truly a monster in every situation, and now that his shield scales off his maximum health rather than his level, building him as a very healthy bruiser makes him nearly impossible to kill. I do sort of miss the old days of 100-0ing enemy adcs and snagging a quick penta with their ghost every so often, but the new changes have really made him much more viable in a lot more situations. It's a shame he can no longer cast W without a nearby allied champion or ghost, but frankly I have no trouble in solo lanes as is and I cannot even imagine how many people would be QQing over him being OP if he could cast W on himself, so I'm grateful that no one is crying for him to be nerfed into the ground.

CrapNugget3 votes

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I'm gonna be hated for saying this, but as someone who has played Morde a ton, I find his new changes quite enjoyable. I've had no problem playing him solo top with the right itemization, and with a partner his W is by far the strongest buff I've ever seen in the game. He was great and a lot of fun before but you either had to build him as a glass cannon that would always be focused to death or as a tank with little that he could do on his own aside from ult the enemy adc and hope his team could finish them off quickly. Now, with all the new AD/Health items and AD scaling on his abilities, he is truly a monster in every situation, and now that his shield scales off his maximum health rather than his level, building him as a very healthy bruiser makes him nearly impossible to kill. I do sort of miss the old days of 100-0ing enemy adcs and snagging a quick penta with their ghost every so often, but the new changes have really made him much more viable in a lot more situations. It's a shame he can no longer cast W without a nearby allied champion or ghost, but frankly I have no trouble in solo lanes as is and I cannot even imagine how many people would be QQing over him being OP if he could cast W on himself, so I'm grateful that no one is crying for him to be nerfed into the ground.

Idk man. It didn't click with me. Part of what made Morde so great was that he wasn't fucking stupid ass op pls nerf, he was always fair, and when you die to him, it felt like he earned it. I think the whole three hits thing only worked with like Riven or Yasuo because they had massive mobility. Morde is slow so in fights it's very hard to get all the stacks. So I think 1 hit that spreads to 2 other targets that does the same amount is better. It also gives him more ranged poke in lane. Also I'm gonna be honest, the whole duo lane thing with Morde, I personally think that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You don't take someone like mordekaiser, and take away an ability for duo lanes. Now. I WOULD BE OKAY WITH ALL OF THIS IF THEY JUST FUCKING LET ME W A MINION. That's all I ask for. But anyways, the whole point of the old Mordekaiser was that his passive would allow him to survive on his own by hitting shit. He never needed another person to help out, he never needed to be tanky as long as he was destroying people. Which was what made him so fun. But now...His viability is as if he's an adc or a support. Which at the core he never was, the point of juggernauts was so they deal out shit loads of damage while taking little to none. Morde was speacial, Morde allowed for glass cannon builds, because he wasn't one at the core. The point of adc's however is to deal all the damage subliminally, and FORCE the enemies to focus them. But if you have to just walk up hit them 3 times with a Q and a dragon, then Morde can no longer fit any other role than fighter or mage. Just. I'm all for change in this broken as fuck game called lol. But, making Morde like this to purposefully be in a duo lane is forcing him to be something he's not. Which really isn't what I was hoping for in the change. I wanted more damage and a slight buff in mobility. That's all.

Deuce33123 votes

{quoted}

I'm gonna be hated for saying this, but as someone who has played Morde a ton, I find his new changes quite enjoyable. I've had no problem playing him solo top with the right itemization, and with a partner his W is by far the strongest buff I've ever seen in the game. He was great and a lot of fun before but you either had to build him as a glass cannon that would always be focused to death or as a tank with little that he could do on his own aside from ult the enemy adc and hope his team could finish them off quickly. Now, with all the new AD/Health items and AD scaling on his abilities, he is truly a monster in every situation, and now that his shield scales off his maximum health rather than his level, building him as a very healthy bruiser makes him nearly impossible to kill. I do sort of miss the old days of 100-0ing enemy adcs and snagging a quick penta with their ghost every so often, but the new changes have really made him much more viable in a lot more situations. It's a shame he can no longer cast W without a nearby allied champion or ghost, but frankly I have no trouble in solo lanes as is and I cannot even imagine how many people would be QQing over him being OP if he could cast W on himself, so I'm grateful that no one is crying for him to be nerfed into the ground.

I respect your opinion, and do not disagree that a champ with this type makeup/style/ability is not viable/useful/fun. What I do not understand is why not just make a new champ, rather than take an old one which certain people know, and love, and completely change his style. I am not sure how you used to play Morde, but it is in no way the same, and I never had issues "being glass" or anything of the sort. As for your comment on him being a ad bruiser now...great, but I didn't play Morde as an ad bruiser, he was my AP Carry. That is quite a drastic change, especially if he is your main, and strongest AP Carry.

Like I said no doubt a champ with all the new (cough shitty) attributes Morde now has would be great...just as another champ not him.

TopPoi3 votes

isolating morde into a single role in a single lane really hurts. I played him a bit when i first started league, then bought him recently. really miss old morde, and hate this new one.

Dwayne Johnsòn11 votes

Riot I try to main bard and he's really fun to play . Can you please make a skin for him like the warden bard skin . Heres the what Im talking abouthttp://brotherbaston.deviantart.com/art/Warden-Bard-League-of-Legends-Skin-Concept-529735098 this guy is a great artist please make this skin for bard it matches him so well.

Durwin11 votes

Sion is THE Undead Juggernaut, and we didn't get a single mention of him in the juggernaut patch? ARE THESE WHAT PASS FOR JUGGERNAUTS?!?!

Awaki Sakume22 votes

IS THIS WHAT PASSES FOR SALT?!Sion

MordAndTheClub9 votes

I wish my Mordekaiser had the same w my old Mord had :(.

Chespin20137 votes

This new Morde's kit will never truly be balanced thanks CertainlyT for fucking him over instead of giving him the rework he needed

w1iuRzQ6rh6 votes

Gimmicky patch... revert. k thx.

Vel Koz I can5 votes

Speaking of hidden buffs: As a Velkoz main, I am excited to see the new poke potential of Vel'koz's Q, which got a buff to its secondary bolt range. If my calculations are correct, a max range Q before this patch had roughly 1380 range (1050 Primary, 900 Secondary). Now it has roughly 1520 range (1050 Primary, 1100 Secondary)! It's crazy to think that the secondary bolt has more range than the first one now. Perhaps his role as a poking support with a champion like Caitlyn would been even stronger now.

Jeremy GC5 votes

That doesn't exactly qualify as a hidden buff, since it's in the notes, but yeah I'm excited to see if Vel'Koz can find a place in this meta! Due to his really high ranges, he can perform quite well against bruisers, and does a decent job of kiting them, but also has the burst to one shot squishies and create picks quite easily, especially if he's ahead!

ThePurpleKnight5 votes

Jeremy forgot about Rammus.

All armor items Rammus doesn't build got nerfed, making most tanks weaker. Thornmail got changed to be more of an armor stacking champions item. Rammus got a small damage buff on his W.

Rammus isn't gonna be super OP or anything but these are some pretty big buffs that if enough people pay attention and realize how much of a buff it is, he might be back in the meta for a while until we go back to bullshit AP tops.

NightmareCrawler4 votes

Alright, so overall I enjoyed the itemization. My only complaint about them is that they've indirectly made tanks gods. I can literally grab a tank and match/ out do dps against most brawlers, while still not dying. Skarners changes just don't feel like Skarner, overall upset with my fave jungler becoming something that was honestly a horrible re-work. (I've got an entire rant loaded up on that one mostly because "He's not the champion I once used", but we'll leave it at that.) Morde is disgusting. No arguing this. His q does absurd damage. His w is weird, the in kit heal is a nice buff. E same and the dragon as a ghost without having his ult going on cd? That's silly. Very silly. Darius is still as stompy as ever, except just even more so now. Garen is obnoxious, but he was that way even before the patch. Overall this patch has been a thorough disappointment/ upset.
The only "Good"? My Cho'Gath remains unchanged <3

Cake Eater Jiyj5 votes

Long time player here and I really feel like they've completely messed up Morde (my old top/mid lane main) and Skarner (my jungle main). Regardless of whether or not they were buff'd or nerf'd, I just don't understand altering them so much. They were already unique, fun to play, and held special counter play potential that other champs didn't offer. The Garen and Darius buffs are just plain silly and further promote people to not advance in play-style development. If you can play a basic champ with simple combos and enormous damage why ever move past them? Personally I feel like it promotes stagnation and isolates selections even further into the "meta".

avilus3 votes

Garen is in a good spot right now!

RHL HaKKer7 votes

Stop it. NO.

MrBigstuph16458 votes

Relax, this is secretly a ploy to get Garen nerfed. -Darius

ZaNJeTsU3 votes

actually skanner stays op after the hot fix nerf, Aatrox stays weak u build him tank ur team will not understand you, u build him ad u r squashy, tank supp are not that strong any more, vayne need a nerf she can solo top now easily after the tank nerfs, just try to give the game more balance, the only category that is balanced in the game is the mage category, other categories need more balance, try to balance other categories and ur game will go well.

Regards,

Canadian Evra3 votes

Does anyone know when a new Diana skin will come out because no offense but I think Project Diana would be better only because she has more visual effects. Thanks!Leona <3Diana <3

SlampieceHawke3 votes

Project Leona looks like she trying to look like Diana. I'm happy Leona has like a 7th skin now while Diana has 2 mediocre ones. Not really.

Canadian Evra2 votes

I hope they come out with project Diana next time

SNOW SOS1 votes

When are ap mages/assassins going to get love? So far all the tanky jgs had the spot light now these "Juggernauts" meanwhile my mid laners do the same if not less damage.

Scaleheart1 votes

[{quoted}](name=SNOW SOS,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=tyeUxwvd,comment-id=0033,timestamp=2015-08-30T04:40:24.889+0000)

When are ap mages/assassins going to get love? So far all the tanky jgs had the spot light now these "Juggernauts" meanwhile my mid laners do the same if not less damage.

The reasons juggernauts got damage buff is because they are so immobile, melee-range, and kitable. Mages are immobile, ranged, and CAN kite, so I don't think they should be doing a ton of extra damage or anything.

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