Itemizing as Twisted Fate

SSJTribe·Apr 20, 2015·1 votes·710 views

Hello all, I'm a Bronze 1 Mid-Laner maining noob who is trying to pick up . I have some questions about general build order advice, as well as any other tips or tricks any of you guys may know about this champ. So any TF mains, or casual players feel free to drop your 2 cents in.

Anyway, onto the build. When first playing this guy, I tried the standard rush into etc. But in practice, I found myself to be far too squishy, and had trouble last hitting. So to counter this, I tried out rushing two different items, namely and . The tooth almost seems like a no brainer, with all but one of TF's abilities proccing off of auto-attacks. The Rod of Ages also greatly increased my staying power in teamfights, and of course the 20% CDR from the Nashor's Tooth lets me get several card rotations in just one fight.

(TL;DR)So my questions are, why don't people ever get or on , and why do I get called a troll for anything other than rushing ?

8 Comments

FHMarshyApr 20, 20152 votes

Generally, TF doesn't need to tank. As an AP burst mid laner, your goal is to utilize your ult efficiently and lock in the right card(Usually gold to stun) to kill the enemies and have global presence.

I rush item 3285 or item 3165 when I play TF. TF is a very long-ranged poking mage. Your ability to Q from afar is incredibly strong.

With ROA and Nashor's you are basically building TF as an AP Tank, in which you deal sustained damage over time, but that role could be easily taken by other champions more built for it (Cho, Naut, Vlad, Rumble, etc). TF is one of the mages that are expected to 100-0 squishies in 2 seconds with a locked card and Q.

SSJTribeApr 20, 20151 votes

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Generally, TF doesn't need to tank. As an AP burst mid laner, your goal is to utilize your ult efficiently and lock in the right card(Usually gold to stun) to kill the enemies and have global presence.

I rush or when I play TF. TF is a very long-ranged poking mage. Your ability to Q from afar is incredibly strong.

With ROA and Nashor's you are basically building TF as an AP Tank, in which you deal sustained damage over time, but that role could be easily taken by other champions more built for it (Cho, Naut, Vlad, Rumble, etc). TF is one of the mages that are expected to 100-0 squishies in 2 seconds with a locked card and Q.

This last paragraph especially is probably true, as I absolutely love AP tanks such as Cho'Gath. It's one of the reasons I'm trying Twisted Fate out in the first place actually, to get more variation in the types of champs that I play.

Back on topic, with that being said it wasn't my intention to try to make him a tank, but perhaps I'm not ganking correctly or maybe I just don't properly understand the mindset, but I just always seem to die before they do. When you rush Luden's, do you try and save for the item 1058 first? Or do you back around level 5 for the item 3113 ? For me, when I am rushing the RoA, I usually buy the Blasting Wand first, which makes me feel significantly more powerful at level 6 than those other items.

FHMarshyApr 20, 20151 votes

I think it really depends on when you are FORCED to back.

Typical example, if your laner is AFK the whole time and there is no junglers, you SHOULD farm til you have enough for a full build before you back. As a laner, I tend to farm until I am at a disadvantage in health(I'm too low to stay in lane safely), out of mana, or significantly out-damaged (potentially cuz my laner went back a few times already).

Buy as much damage as you can on TF is my suggestions, escpecially for lower elos when people don't know how to dodge skill shots.

To gank as a TF, I usually only Ult in once the fight has already started. Using my ult to either provide vision or to tp and finish off kills.

Thing about TF is his burst from his One card + Q combo. With it's AOE damage, he should be chunking squishies left and right easily

SSJTribeApr 20, 20151 votes

Interesting, I usually will back just before I hit 6, in order to get that Blasting Wand to try to have a bigger impact on my first ult. But yes, I will usually just try to ult into a lane that is pushed, rather than waiting for a fight to have started. I suppose I'll try starting Luden's and use my ult to try to secure kills, rather than trying to force them.

FHMarshyApr 20, 20151 votes

As a TF, im actually play more as a "support" early game (before 30 minute) for 2 major reasons. TF's damage is very item dependent and for the first part of the game, he won't have enough items to insta-burst anyone. However, his stun, slow, and global vision should net enough assist gold in order for him to tech up and deal damage.

His role late game is just spam the Q's for poke. It's rather hard to dodge them in a team fight. With the low cool down on his Q (Assuming you have more than 30% CDR), you can Q about 2-3 times in a team fight, doing massive damage.

SerevasApr 20, 20151 votes

The auto attack modifier is actually a bit of a trap. After seeing Kikis on UoL bring out TF jungle I started dabbling around attempting to find a way to utilize that ability, only to realize that the items I was building were detracting from the rest of TF's kit. The reason lichbane is always built is that it goes hand in hand with the burst, it strengthens your pick a card enhanced auto attacks with an extra auto attack enhancer. If you can line up the E to proc on auto attack as well, it's even more bursty and devastating when paired with your Q.

E is only there because one of his abilities works with auto attacks anyway, so it provides a bit of extra power with card count management.

I guess the best advice I could give would be to let E remain a passive ability.

JoquanApr 20, 20151 votes

Generally in most cases your better off with an athene's/morrello rush, as they both give you instant 20% cdr which allows you to roam.

Other choices in your build could either be item 3111 , item 3158 or item 3020 . You will usually not need ninja tabi as if your against an AD mid, your supposed to rush zhonyas anyways. If your up against a strong anti-squishy such as leblanc try going abyssal scepter into merc treads, then building other items. Lich bane is usually a 2nd item, after one of those items and my boots. After I have morello/lich/boots then I go deathcap because that's when the passive actually becomes noticable, then after that I get voidstaff if the enemy has a lot of MR, otherwise I go zhonyas, especially if I really need the active. As a 6th item, I either go ludens (although better as a rush item but on Tf im not sure ) or twin shadows for the MS.

SirsirApr 20, 20151 votes

Ludens>Morello (or Athenes vs certain matchups)> Lich, with boots in there somewhere. Ludens is better for your damage than Lich at first, at the cost of a more awkward build path. Someone did the math on here sometime earlier...