Melee AP mid vs ADC

Flaagrah·Oct 17, 2014·1 votes·1,201 views

There have been topics similar to this discussion but they apparently don't address my particular problems. There have been two games where I played as Katarina mid against a Lucian. In both games, lucian severely limited my cs by poking me from a distance. If I were to All-In him at level 3, I could beat him (based on my calculations). But then you have to consider the minion aggro and also the fact that he can run back to the turret and simply kite me. What should I do in this situation?

9 Comments

MilleaOct 17, 20141 votes

Lucian is particularly good against melees like Katarina, who is already very weak in lane. Don't try to allin him unless you jungler comes, as he can just dash away. instead, try to get last hits with your Q and stay even in lane until 6, when you can start allin-ing if he stays in lane while low health. Your goal is to stay alive and get gold/exp.

FlaagrahOct 17, 20141 votes

The problem is that I can't farm because he pokes me so much.

MilleaOct 17, 20141 votes

If you farm with your Q, you can poke him back with minions (As nearby minions automatically turn onto him when he attacks you), or if you don't have enough minions to do this, wait until the wave hits the tower and farm under there.

FlaagrahOct 17, 20141 votes

If i'm only farming with my q, I'm screwing myself over...it has a 10 second cooldown. There doesn't seem to be a good solution here.

MilleaOct 17, 20141 votes

There is no "good" solution, as Lucian vs Katarina is one of the extreme hard counter matchups that exist. You will be behind, but if you avoid death and continue to get experience and a bit of gold, you will do fine in the later stages.

FlaagrahOct 17, 20141 votes

hmmmm.....so does this mean that katarina should not picked unless you know who is going mid?

MilleaOct 17, 20141 votes

She has a weak laning phase regardless of who she lanes against. Champions with ranged harass and a way to either escape her after she jumps on them, and/or CC to interrupt her ultimate. Her real strength is in teamfights and roaming, which is overall much more important than laning phase.

As Kat in general, your goal is not to get 100 cs by 10 minutes, but to not be too far behind in cs by 10 minutes and potentially have a kill or two from roaming, or if your opponent messes up, a kill on them.

DarkwindOct 17, 20141 votes

as any melee assassin mid, you need to understand that the primary resource you NEED to get from minions isn't gold. It's experience. You get denied 4/6 minions in each wave? That's not so great, but as long as you're in exp range, it's not the end of the world, either. If you keep up in levels, then at the time you hit 6 you can either beat him in an all-in, or call for your jungler to hold your lane so you can roam and get gold that way. If the deny is as heavy as I just described, it's going to be hard to catch up in gold, but kat has a reasonably easy time getting 4/6 minions rather than 2/6, which means you shouldn't be too behind when you hit 6