ASKING FOR RANKED TIPS! Please and thank you

Jotunheimr·Oct 2, 2015·1 votes·852 views

I enjoy playing ranked because of the difficuly of the games. The challenge is fun, and helps me learn quickly. My original placement in ranked was Silver 5. I was doing fine, but than suddenly started losing, got demoted to Bronze, than demoted AGAIN to bronze II.

I see much more toxic players in bronze. People also don't seem to think like a team. I try to promote teamwork, I get flamed and trolled because "they play solo".

So I'm asking how to carry a non cooperative team to victory, and/or how to MAKE them cooperate.

I really feel like Bronze is Hell. I'd like to get out of it, as well as be a very valuable asset to me team, to help with victory even the team is behind or if there is a troll.

As many tips as possible, and dont be afraid to make them long; I have patience.

Thanks

17 Comments

T RexHasTinyArmsOct 2, 20152 votes

To get tier dropped you have to be a full tier below in mmr i.e. Silver V mmr to drop from gold V. In terms of getting teams to work together I notice in bronze people will listen to you probably 50-75% of the time if you get ahead in lane and shit rainbows for an attitude. The second part is important. A lot of good mechanics players are super rude and people react poorly. If you're really positive and polite to the team (i.e. I'll rotate bot after I take this tower and we can dive them to make your lane easier instead of Jesus just play safe till I come not and kill them for you, I'll carry you if you just stop feeding) AND you are doing well enough for your team to trust you aren't worse than them at the game, usually people follow what you say in bronze.

Most important is to realize your team will make a lot of mistakes. Watch for these ant try to make them useful. Adc pushing a side lane w/ no vision? Go hop in a bush w/ ahri, sweep it and assassinate whoever comes to kill the Adc.

JotunheimrOct 3, 20151 votes

Oh yes, veey much agreed. I like to push my lanes tower asap, farm some more, than help a lane and try to take another tower. I have a positive attitude even with toxic allies. The positive attitude does help.

Thanks for the tip! I'll be sure to utilize bushes more!:)

T RexHasTinyArmsOct 3, 20151 votes

Lol yeah, the number of times I was mid/jungle and I saw top/bot overstaying at tower when they're super low and I just rotated there knowing that their lane or lane and jungle would dive them soon when I was climbing on my second account is so stupid. Don't even need bushes and you're picking up 2-3 kills for the team on a regular basis just bc the enemy sees the misplay by team and is like "free kills wohooo." Turning what would be a feeding lane into a winning lane is the real key to carrying in low elo.

Definitely practice what you play and focus on improving over winning though bc if you dropped from silver to bronze then you have a ways to improve before you stop dropping bc the game has you at bronze V mmr to make that silver drop happen. GL m8

JotunheimrOct 3, 20151 votes

Hmm, I see. I will surely try this, it's brilliant!

On the topic of jungle, I tend to do very poorly anytime I tank. Any tips for this?

T RexHasTinyArmsOct 3, 20151 votes

Depends on what you're playing, but knowing how to control jg and learning to predict play based on map movement is pretty much the biggest thing I can give as advice w/out seeing you play (if you have an op.gg recording you make or replay.gg or something I'll take a look at it for you). Season 3 I hit gold w/ nunu jungle just by memorizing common jungle routes and clear times. Nunu was super strong at counter jungling and you could set the jg behind in levels much easier season 3 so I just memorized routes and times and countered a lot w/out being a good jungle. Looking back I was pretty bad bc I couldn't think through the jungle process so people who adapted I'd lose to.

When you jungle the monsters don't do anything so the game is about looking at the minimap and clicking on lanes (you want your camera not locked) to see how they're going. If you see your bot lane pushed way up, you have armor, and the enemy bot is at like 1/4 health you should be pathing that way in your jungle to go dive. If your top is really pushed up and is at half health w/ no wards, and you just bought after your first clear then you should go top bc the enemy probably just bought and is headed top to gank your laner bc they're pushed and not full hp. Learn to think about where a gank opportunity is going to be rather than where it is right now. If bot is going even and the enemy is playing trist you know she is going to push. If she bought and the creeps are in the middle or pushed to enemy tower you know it won't stay that way so clear your bot jg and by the time you do trist will prob be pushed, so you can gank easy then (and when you get kills bot it's a free dragon if you and lane still have decent hp w/ your smite up). If their jg has been camping mid and ganked 2 times but your mid is still going aggro and winning trades w/ the enemy, realize their jg is prob gonna be mid again to relieve pressure and try to turn the lane around, try to get there at the same time if you can beat their jg in a fight bc if your lane is still winning trades you can win a 2v2 if you beat their jg and when they go in on your mid that's 2 kills if you're there and you know you can beat them 2v2.

Those are some examples, but basically you want to be thinking "okay, I'm clearing X part of my jungle and then going to (gank X lane, take dragon, invade their jg bc i saw them top, whatever)" or you want to be thinking "okay I'm clearing this part of my jungle, and if their jungle has hp after his clear he's probably going to (X lane, dragon, my jungle) and so I can (counter gank him, steal his jungle, gank a different lane than him knowing he won't counter gank, get deep wards in his jungle, contest/smite steal dragon, help fast push a lane the enemy left/backed in order to take their tower)." You'll mess it up a whole lot at first, but w/ experience you start to get a feel for what you would be doing in the enemy's position and what would hurt you the most if you were doing that. When you can consistently do that jungle gets easy, bc it's just about going and doing whatever you thought of to stop the enemy jungle from having an impact.

JotunheimrOct 3, 20151 votes

Excellent. All these tips are OP! Lol. When it comes to recording, how do I record a game with op.gg or record.gg?

And I suppose my problem when I jungle is I look for who is in need of help in the moment and rush over there. I'll change that, and play leauge like a play chess. Base my moves on what IS GOING to happen.

T RexHasTinyArmsOct 3, 20151 votes

The best ways I've seen to record games are to use Replay.gg which will auto record your pvp games and e-mail them to you if you go to Replay.gg and sign up to have it record your games and e-mail them to you (no fee or anything to sign up, just takes and e-mail and the ign you want recorded), or if you don't want every game you just go to na.op.gg and search for you ign. It will bring up your profile and when you load into a game (as soon as champ select ends) you can alt tab to pull up your browser and op.gg brings up your current game (then you just click the record button and it records just that specific game).

I'd say if you want me to look at a few games for you just record them on na.op.gg bc I can pull up the replays from there, but Replay.gg is good if you want to get your replays sent to you to look over yourself. It does it automatically so you don't have to think about doing it every game. I just made a filter in my gmail to send all e-mails from replay.gg to a replays folder instead of my inbox so it doesn't clutter my e-mail if I play a bunch of games over the weekend or something.

Echo KazemOct 2, 20151 votes

This is probably not what you want to hear, but;

I would just take a break from ranked and work on getting better at the game. Without seeing a replay I couldn't tell you what all the causes are, but you play Olaf over 2/3 of the time and these are your stats (usually I'd say stats are unimportant, but these are extreme)

W/L - 9/21 K/D/A - 2.5/9.9/3.9

Your KDA ratio on your main champion is about .65, which is really bad to put it bluntly.

If you keep playing ranked without making improvements to your gameplay you're just going to continue to drop.

EDIT: Your stats on all the other champs you play are equally bad so it's not just Olaf - again, I'm not saying this to be mean, but to point out that you're probably placed ahead of where you should be and are going to continue to fall.

PelkrockOct 2, 20151 votes

There is no way to force a team to work together, But most of the time just pinging and telling people things is more then enough to get them moving in the right direction. " Lets take tower/dragon/objective" " Hey we have strong team fights lets group" stuff like that.

slamorOct 2, 20151 votes

The best thing you can do is practice in normal games. Learn how to consistently win your lanes and know how to last hit minions.

Wolf QueenOct 3, 20151 votes

winning lane means nothing. You can win lane against a diamond as bronze by having better mechanics that in no way at all means youll win the game. Lane mechanics and actually playing the game are 2 completely different things

CKwoka26947Oct 2, 20151 votes

I have tried to carry bronzes recently on my smurf acct, I can go 12-1 while rest of my team feeds 7+ deaths. It is not possible to win these games. You don't even need teammates to get kills just to apply pressure, but they can't even do that.

Anyway, as a carry I have found the one thing you don't want to do is team fight. Because you have 4 fed opponents that will annihilate your team in 1 second and if you play a carry you need them to absorb the CC. SO you end up just idling until your teammates die and then you can't really fight 1v4 when they are all coordinated.

So if you carry you want to constantly apply pressure to keep your enemy from coordinating and also to draw enemies away from your feeders and keep them off balance. You can win fights skirmishing and catching them out of position. SO uh to carry you actually want to stay away from your feeders even when they complain for you to group.

OhBoyItsaMegamanOct 3, 20151 votes

I see a lot of basic problems just from your op.gg profile.

Vision: You bought 1 ward in your last 20 games, no pink wards, never upgrade trinket. You use your trinket on average about once every 10 minutes. This absolutely needs to improve. You should be upgrading that trinket a lot more and using it constantly, buying extra wards, and buying pink wards.

CS: Low. This can be because you need to concentrate more on last hitting, but it can also be a symptom of simply getting annihilated in lane.

Deaths: High. This can also be a symptom of getting annihilated in lane and then not having any way to survive later, but you can always learn to play more conservatively from behind so that losing lane doesn't automatically mean you feed all game.

Items: REALLY needs work. You seem to go completely without boots in about a third of your games, and your upgrade is almost always Boots of Swiftness. You should always have boots before or around the time you complete your first item, and you should look to upgrade it before finishing your second item. Ninja Tabi or Merc Treads are much better than Swiftness for you. You build a Titanic Hydra or Ravenous Hydra in every game as top Olaf, and that's not a good idea. Grab a Black Cleaver instead and you will see your ability to fight your opponent go way up. You do not need a Hydra to clear out minions. Get tanky items after Black Cleaver, like Randuin's, Sterak's Gage, Dead Man's Plate, Frozen Heart. Never Bloodthirster.

I see more wins in your recent games than you used to have, which means that you are getting closer to your appropriate MMR. You'll start experiencing some games where you don't get completely stomped from start to finish. Feel free to keep playing ranked if you want to learn by playing hard fights, but understand that you do need to learn more about the game if you want to be able to compete. Watch some streams, watch some Olaf videos, and consider recording your games so that you can review them or have others review them. Also consider going into custom 1v0 games to practice last hitting in a controlled environment so you'll do it better under pressure.

JotunheimrOct 3, 20152 votes

Thanks for the feedback!:) My recent gaves have improved because I'm focusing more on cs recently. I will be sure to grab boots early from now on, and not wait untill the enemy is too fast. My first olaf builds started with Black Cleaver, I'll try that again. Fyi, I rush Hydra for the lifesteal and high damage. It gives Olaf nice sustain, and enough AD to score early kills. I use Hydra as a way to not only amplify the AD steriod from Ragnarok, but have lifesteal to counteract R's defensive trading. Bloodthirster for stupid damage and more sustain, but I will DEFINATLY try your build, and get back with how I did.

Ps- My favorite thing is that with Rav, Thirster, youmuus and BoRK, One can solo baron with little to no health taken.

Of course in team fights you have no Hp.

Wolf QueenOct 3, 20151 votes

Carrying out of bronze is simple. Main thing to remember is this is solo queue. Stop relying on your team to carry you and youll win a lot more. Play champs like trynd, noct, aatrox, yi, champs who can split push very well and 1v1 almost anyone. People in gold even dont even notice when you take half there base. You could probably take an entire lane of towers and there nexus by split pushing in bronze

JotunheimrOct 4, 20151 votes

I play as Olaf mostly, and build Lifesteal/AD and some tank. With that build, I CAN 1vs1 almost anyone unless behind. I also build AD on him for the strong split pushing power. I love building to take objectives quickly, as objectives OP.

A very common thing to happen in bronze is that I can take towers all the way to enemy base, and more towers in other lanes after I take the first, but noone wants to group in the openings I create. People give up so easily. Yesterday my team wanted to ff at 8 minutes, saying gg, ff at 20. Why the hell do people give up so easily? Ok, there is a kill disadvantage, but we have an OBJECTIVE advantage, as objectives win games.

I feel like its always "if yount 1vs5 the enemy team, you will lose" sort of thing. Not that I pick 1 vs 5 fights, but my teammates give up sooooi fast in bronze. I mean, it's ranked, don't give up.

Another question: When and where should I ward? I typically wait for an enemy to dissapear from the map and ward surronding jungle, or if secretly split pushing, I'll ward by tower to hide that I'm there, and take towers asap.

I feel like when I DO buy and use wards, they either run out of timer or are destroyed, and I still don't see the enemy coming. I must be doing something wrong.

Wolf QueenOct 4, 20151 votes

Olaf i wouldnt recommend for a split push type. Pure ad builds are better at pushing. Such as noct, i build him pure ad and have 62% win rate on him. Ive come back from many games purely by split pushing and winning it on my own. I dont need my team to win i only need me to win, i easily 1v2 people and 1v3 when fed on him, by getting kills/cs.

If they are usually pushing on your side of the map its better to ward passive, which is warding in your own jungle. If your team is always pushing then ward aggressive in there jungle. That is how i tend to ward. If there pushing into you, warding there jungle isnt going to do anything if your dying in yours. If your pushing into them warding your own jungle is pointless cause they wont be able to go into it, better to ward there jungle and easily get picks. If you want to do baron ward there jungle around baron, so you can see them coming, also ward the river bushes for full vision. Though you'd need more then 1 person to ward as you should for that.

Objectives win games yes, but there is a limit to how much gold objectives give over kill gold. An average kill gives 300 gold, so if its like 5 kills for every tower its not worth. Baron gives 300 gold to all, and dragon gives next to nothing beside passive.

I feel dragons are pretty bad, the only ones that matter are first and 5th. Most people tunnel vision on dragon and think they are so important when really they arent. If you can trade getting towers for giving up a dra unless its 5th drag then its worth to me. Id much rather towers over dra. The first dragon is only useful for carries as well. If your a tank 3% ad/ap really aint gonna mean anything at all. So if you have a very tanky team dra is even more useless.

People in bronze give up so easily because they are bronze. Bronze mentality is basically "i get first blood or i ff" they give up really easily which makes it even easier to win in bronze. If you cheese someone(depending on your role would determine how to cheese)and succeed, which in bronze it is a lot easier to do, then your a lot more likely to win the game, because it will rasie the moral of your team and lower the moral of the other team. Cheesing to lower moral doesnt work as well higher elo because they dont give up so easily, in low elo its an easy way to win early.

If you would like you could add me in game and i could spectate your games, theres only so much anyone can tell you without seeing you play :)