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Someone tell me how do i get myself back into s3

KyleTheConqueror··1 votes·581 views

I'm originally an s3 and because i have the addiction to play ranked, i tilted for 15 games. in a row.

Now im stuck in s5, and no matter what i do i can't carry or help this bronze filled team. I could go 13/0 in the first 25 minutes, but only to finish 19/8 and defeated. i could pick kogmaw in hopes of my team being able to protect me, but still lose because of an afk

Just give me a tip on how i can return to silver 3.

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Peel Your ADC1 votes

Mute your team and splitpush no matter how much they cry.

Makior721 votes

As weird as it sounds, get good at a support and caery games as support. People dont normally think about it this way but supports tend to carry lane phase for their adc. Reason i say go support is because if you carry you lane its 2 people on your team ahead as opposed to 1 if you were in a solo lane. For me Leona and Braum carried me to gold V these champions come naturally to me because i tend to play tanks in other games and these fit right in perfectly for me. Braum imo is especially good at carrying lane sinply due to the fact that he can play passively or aggressively without any trouble. Leona HAS to play aggressively or she is useless in lane.

slôw1 votes

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As weird as it sounds, get good at a support and caery games as support. People dont normally think about it this way but supports tend to carry lane phase for their adc. Reason i say go support is because if you carry you lane its 2 people on your team ahead as opposed to 1 if you were in a solo lane. For me Leona and Braum carried me to gold V these champions come naturally to me because i tend to play tanks in other games and these fit right in perfectly for me. Braum imo is especially good at carrying lane sinply due to the fact that he can play passively or aggressively without any trouble. Leona HAS to play aggressively or she is useless in lane.

supports are irrelevant in low elo unless they roam.

your adc isn't consistently going to be able to use ANYWHERE near the gold invested in him by babysitting when you get to bronze-low silver.

I'd say just pick a damage dealing support and roam everywhere, otherwise just go mid/top and play great teamfighting champions like jax/jarvan/chogath/azir

Makior721 votes

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supports are irrelevant in low elo unless they roam.

your adc isn't consistently going to be able to use ANYWHERE near the gold invested in him by babysitting when you get to bronze-low silver.

I'd say just pick a damage dealing support and roam everywhere, otherwise just go mid/top and play great teamfighting champions like jax/jarvan/chogath/azir

I must respectfully disagree, supports are entirely relevant in every elo.

if your support is bad / a feeder then your team is in for a rough time due to extra gold given to the enemy team, that in itself makes the support relevant, as far as not helping the enemy goes.

But back on topic, one of the key points in your argument against supports in low elo being relevant is that they arn't relevant if they BABYSIT their ADC. On this point I mostly agree with you. However depending on how the situation is on the map with the rest of your team, the best move may BE to baby sit your adc even if they are already ahead. And of course when you CAN roam, do it, carefully. certain supports such as sona janna nami etc (squishy supports) are easy prey if they wander to far from their team, so roaming for them is dangerous. But braum leona thresh and the like should be ok / safe to roam with provided they can see at least 3-4 of the enemy team players on the map.

Also the fact that I went from silver V to gold V both this season and last playing mostly support supports my position. Yes i know you are plat and general know what you are talking about, but at the same time i DID play mostly supports from silver 5 and am now gold v so it most certainly can be done.

Concerning your last point about damage dealing supports, I do agree with that depending on the enemy support pick. But if you go a damage support you still need to build SOME utility and have some crowd control capabilities. I've seen many a support leblanc be worthless from the words minions have spawned.

slôw1 votes

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I must respectfully disagree, supports are entirely relevant in every elo.

if your support is bad / a feeder then your team is in for a rough time due to extra gold given to the enemy team, that in itself makes the support relevant, as far as not helping the enemy goes.

But back on topic, one of the key points in your argument against supports in low elo being relevant is that they arn't relevant if they BABYSIT their ADC. On this point I mostly agree with you. However depending on how the situation is on the map with the rest of your team, the best move may BE to baby sit your adc even if they are already ahead. And of course when you CAN roam, do it, carefully. certain supports such as sona janna nami etc (squishy supports) are easy prey if they wander to far from their team, so roaming for them is dangerous. But braum leona thresh and the like should be ok / safe to roam with provided they can see at least 3-4 of the enemy team players on the map.

Also the fact that I went from silver V to gold V both this season and last playing mostly support supports my position. Yes i know you are plat and general know what you are talking about, but at the same time i DID play mostly supports from silver 5 and am now gold v so it most certainly can be done.

Concerning your last point about damage dealing supports, I do agree with that depending on the enemy support pick. But if you go a damage support you still need to build SOME utility and have some crowd control capabilities. I've seen many a support leblanc be worthless from the words minions have spawned.

My advice was about getting higher elo if you actually deserve to be up there, damage dealing supports are definitely the way to go as I've done it many times and found it to be better. Tanks rely on others to do damage for them, damage dealing supports don't as much. Supports are definitely not relevant in every elo as I call relevant. They may be "relevant for a support" meaning the game is still even and they did more than the enemy support, but do you really ever see people lose their lane because the enemy support is roaming like they should? you don't.

Supports in low elo don't have the same impact on the game as everyone else, that is fact. When you get a really actually good support in the game, you will notice it because it will feel like theres more players on the enemy team. On my main its even rare in 2200 mmr so I'm not sure if you've experienced it but it's pretty difficult to deal with.

SOME GAMES It's nearly impossible to do anything because every 5 minutes the enemy top laner, jungler, and support are looking to roam mid every single chance they get, every time scuttle isn't taken and river doesn't have vision (rare) for our team the mid lane loses pressure, possibly even dragon.

Also, babysitting your adc if hes already ahead doesn't make much sense, since if he was worth the gold investment anyway he should be able to do just fine with you in arms reach actually doing things. BABYSITTING is stupid. You might as well be AFK.

The act of babysitting is essentially investing your time and giving up opportunities on the guess that your adc will die without you. This is unneeded. Its a waste. Your job is to win the game, and if that means getting your adc gold then do it. Getting your adc gold doesn't even mean sit in lane, its just to make sure he can farm safely by having the vision to handle himself and you close enough to defend him if he gets allined.

Walk to river, if enemy support walks close, come back and then your ADC and you should poke the extended support back. You gain nothing by sitting in a bush doing nothing besides warding as far as dragon at most. Atleast I encourage you or anyone to try warding as far as possible and helping your jungler get scuttle. Stop sitting in bush and expecting your adc to do more later, because comparatively to what an adc has capacity to do, they are not worth the time spent sitting around, explore aggressive options in your play more and you'll see more wins.

My reasoning: Go into a silver-gold or even platinum game, see if the adc has anywhere near a decent midlaner's damage. Its much harder for an adc to get their damage off compared to a AP mid like ahri or brand or cho, but the damage ceiling is much higher. They are around half of the damage ceiling at MOST, while the midlaners are at about 70% in platinumish.

may not be so clear, im kinda writing half way and it would take a long time to really explain clearly what a damage ceiling is and exactly what it means and all the other stuff and I just don't feel like it :c. but congratulations on getting to gold 5, its where you start learning league of legends! instead of battle royale and everyone is off on their own trying to find a gun and win the game themselves!

KyleTheConqueror1 votes

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My advice was about getting higher elo if you actually deserve to be up there, damage dealing supports are definitely the way to go as I've done it many times and found it to be better. Tanks rely on others to do damage for them, damage dealing supports don't as much. Supports are definitely not relevant in every elo as I call relevant. They may be "relevant for a support" meaning the game is still even and they did more than the enemy support, but do you really ever see people lose their lane because the enemy support is roaming like they should? you don't.

Supports in low elo don't have the same impact on the game as everyone else, that is fact. When you get a really actually good support in the game, you will notice it because it will feel like theres more players on the enemy team. On my main its even rare in 2200 mmr so I'm not sure if you've experienced it but it's pretty difficult to deal with.

SOME GAMES It's nearly impossible to do anything because every 5 minutes the enemy top laner, jungler, and support are looking to roam mid every single chance they get, every time scuttle isn't taken and river doesn't have vision (rare) for our team the mid lane loses pressure, possibly even dragon.

Also, babysitting your adc if hes already ahead doesn't make much sense, since if he was worth the gold investment anyway he should be able to do just fine with you in arms reach actually doing things. BABYSITTING is stupid. You might as well be AFK.

The act of babysitting is essentially investing your time and giving up opportunities on the guess that your adc will die without you. This is unneeded. Its a waste. Your job is to win the game, and if that means getting your adc gold then do it. Getting your adc gold doesn't even mean sit in lane, its just to make sure he can farm safely by having the vision to handle himself and you close enough to defend him if he gets allined.

Walk to river, if enemy support walks close, come back and then your ADC and you should poke the extended support back. You gain nothing by sitting in a bush doing nothing besides warding as far as dragon at most. Atleast I encourage you or anyone to try warding as far as possible and helping your jungler get scuttle. Stop sitting in bush and expecting your adc to do more later, because comparatively to what an adc has capacity to do, they are not worth the time spent sitting around, explore aggressive options in your play more and you'll see more wins.

My reasoning: Go into a silver-gold or even platinum game, see if the adc has anywhere near a decent midlaner's damage. Its much harder for an adc to get their damage off compared to a AP mid like ahri or brand or cho, but the damage ceiling is much higher. They are around half of the damage ceiling at MOST, while the midlaners are at about 70% in platinumish.

may not be so clear, im kinda writing half way and it would take a long time to really explain clearly what a damage ceiling is and exactly what it means and all the other stuff and I just don't feel like it :c. but congratulations on getting to gold 5, its where you start learning league of legends! instead of battle royale and everyone is off on their own trying to find a gun and win the game themselves!

Personally, the best damage supports currently out there would be morgana, Nautilus, and annie (for my elo, sorry if i left some out). I have seen way better improvements playing champions such as blitzcrank, thresh, or leona (the big three)

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