So I've been trying ranked support lately and been trying to improve.

Wolfess·Oct 9, 2015·2 votes·797 views

I like playing support, it feels like a very trolly position (troll towards the enemy team, not my own) Where I make it very annoying for them whether its with heals, crowd control, etc type of annoying and let the (hopefully) more experienced player as adc do the mario thing, eat the fire flower, and spew balls of flaming auto attacks at the enemy team for massive damage. So I'e been trying to play ranked as lately cuz honestly I wanted that victorious skin....but chances are I won't be able to make it to gold. :(

However I Think I want to main support in season 6 ranked and hopefully do a bit better, so here I am in Tips&Tricks hopefully looking for some constructive criticism (Although I suck at analyzing criticism) and maybe see if what I'm doing with my runes, masteries, and build is following a decent path.

runes: http://i.imgur.com/1YetBD0.jpg

These were pretty much some generic runes I picked up a while back from solomid.net that I use for tanky purposes. I couldn't find any thresh builds that honestly appealed to me on solomid and a lot of them were outdated with outdated items. I like move speed, it's kinda my thing. I like being able to outrun the opposition, whether its for getting away or for catching up to them when they flee. with 3% most champs wil get around 10 move speed, which I think has allowed me to get some just-in-the-nick-of-time moments for both hooks and lanterns on thresh and to get away from annoying situations. the health regen quint is there to heal up some poke and because I don't have any other good worthwhile quints haha.

Reds and yelllows: Well thresh being thresh and bot lane having to fight against adcs, I want armor, and thresh starts with a super low amount of it so I tossed in the good ol armor yellows and then some reds because don't think there's too much for thresh in reds aside from armor.

Blues: scaling magic resist because most bot lane doesn't do too much magic damage unless they're high base magic like karma. Scaling because they will give me a bit better resist than flats later on as enemy AP champs start buying ap items.., which gives me about the resist of one null-magic mantle worth 450g.

I can already see some people looking at me funny..... and it might get a bit worse with masteries...

http://i.imgur.com/sihZhau.jpg

yeah, stop trying to slap me through your screen now plz. I took 4 points into sorcery because I like cooldowns. crowd controls, heals, and supportive abilities love cooldowns IMO. I always try to get as much cdr as I can on supports. took block on defensive because didn't know what else to put points into. Utility..... yeah what can I say, I like utility. This is my generic, multi purpose support/utility masteries page.. I use it for all my supports unless perhaps I play a mage bot and I want straighter AP than supporty stuff. With the other 5% cdr from Intelligence here, I start with 10% cdr. Scout is a bit better than most people give it credit for. The extended range is for TRINKETS only and doesn't apply to sightstone wards and can honestly make a bit of difference when warding for me, it can make the difference of me being or not being seen by the enemy as I hide in a brush and try to place a ward in another brush. fleet of foot gives me another 1.5% move speed for a total of 4.5% which is maybe another 4.5 move speed, maybe roughly giving me 13-15 move speed on champs.

Now for items.... I start on thresh, usually aiming for on my first back or perhaps if I die and happen to have the 800 on me at the time. If I have extra I'll try to get a in there and refill my hp pots. My main short term goals after that are and with the intent of turning glacian into because I'm really liking the bonuses for my adc, gives me cdr, mana, some ap which honestly is fine by me even though I don't need it (makes my lantern happy tho) and also thresh will start to get tankier over time from souls so the slightly low armor doesn't bother me much. later term goals are getting after zekes and usually going with because i don't see any real benefit on going locket over banner. Banner gives like only 200 less ho but it gives me AP and can help push a lane with the promotion active, plus can also generate gold for me and take turrets down faster, and annoy ap champs.

After those items, the rest are actually rather situational for me. for heavy AD team comps I will try for after banner which will hopefully be just around the teamfight stage and we have at least some outer turrets down. If my team needs some engage/disengage I will try to get asap, probably even leaving aegis as is without turning it into banner and just go for righteous. I will usually go with ZZrot, spirit visage, banshee veil, deadman's plate, or randuins after righteous. ZZrot gives nice bonuses on teams that have evenly spread damage sources plus more pushing/split power, espe:cially when we're on their inhib turrets since the distance fro one lane to the other is super short and I can just plant it and let it annoy the enemy team.

Boots: The boots I build will vary. Usually prefering swift, ninja tabi, or merc treads. I don't like mobi boots..... yeah I don't I don't like how it goes back to being normal boots once you initiate combat on something, it annoys me. at least swift is constant move and reduces slow effectiveness.

sorry bout the wall of eye-gouging-text but yeah just an impulse to post it and maybe find some tips or feedback on what I've been doing on bot lane thresh. Inb4 no replies and all the downvotes.

8 Comments

Aeolian MelodiesOct 10, 20153 votes

I would not sacrifice so much tankiness for CDR when CDR is stupidly easy to itemize as for a support.

item 3069 OR item 3401 OR item 3092 = 10% item 3190 OR item 3060 = 10% item 3222 = 10% item 3050 = 10% item 3504 = 10% Maybe item 3158 over item 3117 if you really want CDR and can't get it (need it rushrushrush and are poor)

Then you got the tank items with CDR for tank supports:

item 3110 item 3065

And the AP items for mage-ish supports:

item 3165 item 3174 item 3023

As a support main my ACTUAL struggle is to avoid wasting gold by over-capping my CDR.

WolfessOct 10, 20151 votes

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I would not sacrifice so much tankiness for CDR when CDR is stupidly easy to itemize as for a support.

OR OR = 10% OR = 10% = 10% = 10% = 10% Maybe over if you really want CDR and can't get it (need it rushrushrush and are poor)

Then you got the tank items with CDR for tank supports:

And the AP items for mage-ish supports:

As a support main my ACTUAL struggle is to avoid wasting gold by over-capping my CDR.

I'm not a big fan of the starting gold income support items. Well, I like their first tier forms because of their utility. However I don't usually get the mage one and then I will only really hold onto them until I need the slot for a better item.

I used to get item 3110 on thresh early a lot, but with his passively increasing def from souls I tried going for a more multipurpose support type item which is where I decided to try item 3050 since it was somewhat similar in some terms: cdr, mana, armor. I still consider taking frozen heart against team comps that have several atk speed reliant champs, like vane bots with yas mids and xin jungles, etc, though in most cases I will grab item 3143 instead for the still good armor, PLUS hp, PLUS the crit damage reduction and the slowing active.

I like item 3023 on mage supports and also as a counter to enemy invis reliant champs like eve, teemos, twitches. Kinda sad that it doesn't reveal traps like its other mode counterpart though

item 3504 haven't touched this since it came out and don't think I've had a chance to, but I kinda want to. I feel like it's better on atk speed type champs or at least better late-game when my adc has more atk speed to better use the on-hit magic damage buff. The other stats aren't TOO impressive, but it does have rounded-out utility in move speed, mp regen, and cdr, plus looks relatively cheap. Might try it on nami or janna.

item 3222 I think it's a pretty nice item, but the 3 minute cooldown is not fast enough for me. I used to like picking this but I think banner of command fits me better. Wish they'd put the hp regen aura back on it though.

Aeolian MelodiesOct 11, 20151 votes

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I'm not a big fan of the starting gold income support items. Well, I like their first tier forms because of their utility. However I don't usually get the mage one and then I will only really hold onto them until I need the slot for a better item.

I used to get on thresh early a lot, but with his passively increasing def from souls I tried going for a more multipurpose support type item which is where I decided to try since it was somewhat similar in some terms: cdr, mana, armor. I still consider taking frozen heart against team comps that have several atk speed reliant champs, like vane bots with yas mids and xin jungles, etc, though in most cases I will grab instead for the still good armor, PLUS hp, PLUS the crit damage reduction and the slowing active.

I like on mage supports and also as a counter to enemy invis reliant champs like eve, teemos, twitches. Kinda sad that it doesn't reveal traps like its other mode counterpart though

haven't touched this since it came out and don't think I've had a chance to, but I kinda want to. I feel like it's better on atk speed type champs or at least better late-game when my adc has more atk speed to better use the on-hit magic damage buff. The other stats aren't TOO impressive, but it does have rounded-out utility in move speed, mp regen, and cdr, plus looks relatively cheap. Might try it on nami or janna.

I think it's a pretty nice item, but the 3 minute cooldown is not fast enough for me. I used to like picking this but I think banner of command fits me better. Wish they'd put the hp regen aura back on it though.

Well I typically don't get item 3092 , I just go item 3303 for the income and sell (most likely for Talisman) when needed. The active is not bad but Talisman typically is stronger, and is also on a shorter CD.

If I start item 3301 ( Janna , Soraka , passive lane as Nami ) I rush Talisman by going item 3114 into item 3096 right after item 2049 + item 3341 on first back.

I don't play tank supports so I never really use item 3302 and its upgrade, but the heal is good to sustain in lane against poke, and the shield active is pretty strong. My only grief with that item is that it's medium risk (for income) yet it gives as much money as Coin when used perfectly and still less than Spellthief even when shield is perfectly used and Spellthief isn't optimally used.

item 3023 I love this item on AP supports and I feel it's very underrated. The stats and the active are all nice, plus if you whiff the ghosts they return to you making the CD very short.

item 3504 Is good when you have a couple of AS-reliant champions on your team, OR you really want to uber buff the shit out of your ADC, OR you want to be sieging* and pushing for objectives a lot. I like it on Janna for obvious reasons but also on Sona because her W is an AoE shield which lets her tag the whole team to take drags/barons/buildings faster.

item 3222 the main issue is the travel time, not the CD. The CD is adequate for a heal + cleanse.

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Lt CuddlesOct 10, 20152 votes

Soraka Taric Sona Nami Kayle Janna My ADC be like: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/134077/3910224-filth-monster.gif

Il Korean IlOct 9, 20151 votes

Hey I added you in game for tips and advice.

RaemnantOct 10, 20151 votes

That's a lot to read, so Im just gana tell you what I do instead.

On pokey supports like Nami Sona Lulu I take item 3303 and focus on trying to harass, while protecting and sustaining my carry. My build on those champions in the end usually looks like item 3092 item 3165 item 3190 item 3050 item 2045 item 3117 . I swap the zekes for mikaels if its truly needed

On passive supports like Soraka Janna I primarily play passive with an occasional harass with soraka Q or Shield myself and auto a bit as Janna. These champs are played to peel for the team and only peel, so item 3069 item 3222 item 3190 are definitely needed

Tanky supports I play are Leona Alistar Braum and my build is always item 3401 item 3190 item 3102 item 3111 item 3143 , doing basic tanky things. If the team needs an initiate, I will be that person, but if theres already an initiator, I will focus on peeling, and locking down anyone that tries to dive on my carries.

Always remember that you're the support for the TEAM, not just the adc. Its your job to protect and assist everyone, but during laning phase, you must stick with your adc above all else.

I always start with a ward along with my trinket, for maximum vision. If I cant back before I have enough gold for a sightstone, I will buy 2 more wards and a ruby crystal, and that usually lasts until I actually can get my stone. After that, I focus on the support item, getting item 3069 and item 3401 as fast as humanly possible. As the pokey supports I generaly try to get more CDR and mana regen first, so thats why morellos is an often early choice for me

tseiheiOct 10, 20151 votes

I don't play thresh very much, but I like to take hp flat seals with 2 flat armor quints, 1 flat armor quints. This gives you a ton of defence through the game, but requires early mobos.

I like to go 0/9/21 . take the masteries you had, but take 2 points out of inspiration because it sucks and put them in the defense tree. The game gives you more exp per kill/assist/ nearby minion death the lower the level that you are. This makes it nearly impossible to fall more than 3 levels behind mid game as minions start to give around 140exp, 190 when 4 levels behind. Because of this system, it really doesn't help you to get 10 extra exp because it means that you will get less in the long run.

I prefer on thresh to not take the 4 points into offense, opting to put the 4 points into the flat hp and armor points of masteries.

Mobo boots are extremely valuable to thresh. Not only do they allow you to place wards faster, but because you run fast you can get some really deep wards in. The mobos will also allow you to position well to get hooks. Because once you get a hook, you should need much to keep up with the enemy as your ult slows them quite a lot. The mobo boots also allow you to very quickly get in range with lantern to save people. All of this at the lowest cost, only 800g for these boots total.

Just from personal experience, I don't like early zeke's herald in combo with targons. To me zeke's fits much better in squishy utility thresh with ancient coin builds. I would rather take locket with targons for the huge shield, and then go for zeke's if your adc doing well. II find the early Mr buff to your team can really screwover burs mages like fizz, with other ad assassins having trouble against the dbl shield.

WolfessOct 10, 20151 votes

So I tried signing up for replay.gg and get records of my actual gameplay instead of just relying on the statistics provided on a page that don't really show the on-goings of the in-game time. Not sure how people feel about posted replay.gg links on boards. yay or nay?